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Title: NUFL
Post by: Staples on May 06, 2007, 11:17:45 PM
Lets start a new thread to talk NUFL. Those who want to discuss Ultitalk vs. aus.sport.frisbee etc should also start a new thread.
Worthwhile getting everyone together on this issue somewhere...

My last post on NUFL was:

NUFL allocations still being worked out? Doesn't it come straight from Nats?
WA should get a bid given they beat all QLD, ACT and SA teams this year.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Drag on May 06, 2007, 11:23:05 PM
well i think that should play a part, but a better reason for having one in the western states is because they are so far away, and it is unreasonable to expect them to travel east 3 times, it just evens it out.
And you cant say i am bias as i am in VIC.

D


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Staples on May 07, 2007, 12:05:17 AM
Jangles mentions in the Nats thread that QLD will be stronger at NUFL.

I'm sure many teams can say that, we only had 6 of 12 men from Sublime WUCC team make the trip to Melb and JD was out injured.
My question is, what is the process for qualifying for NUFL? It must be written somewhere?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on May 07, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
There effectively is no "process" or policy pre-defined about qualifying for NUFL.

In part, this has been because every NUFL in the past 3 years has been modified to fit the world clubs agenda.

Without this unifying theme this year, there has been lots of talk about the upcoming NUFL and how it is to be run and under what rational. Most of this discussion has taken place on the AFDA-HP yahoogroups list

A lot of the suggestions put forward there have been mentioned here already. There is a selection of things that I *do* know and a selection of stuff I can make probable comments about but a lot of it is speculation until the board and Pottsy make their policy release this week.

Okay to begin:
-NUFL teams have not previously been based on state allocations or state teams. They have been club teams, largely in line with the Men's and Women's club teams that went to World Clubs. Discussions about state teams have taken place but there has not been a strong show of support for any proposal for figuring out teams for NUFL as yet.

-NUFL allocations will probably not be based on results from nationals. This was a suggestion made to the HP list, as a simple way of figuring who should play but again "there has not been a strong show of support for any proposal for figuring out teams for NUFL as yet." However, because this policy was not in place before nationals, it will be unlikely to come about, as teams may have pursued their nationals campaigns differently if the policy was in effect. Nevertheless, still a very viable option for deciding future NUFLs.

-NUFL locations have *not* been decided. The Canberra one mentioned was organised by me at the start of 2006, so its old news. The locations mentioned on the NUFL website are old.

-NUFL is seen by some of its chief organisers as a venue for conducting initial selections and training for the 2008 National squad going to Vancouver. This has been a hotly debated issue. While there has been some opposition to this idea, no alternative for selections/training has been proposed and so NUFL will probably be linked to the selection process

-There is a limited amount of NUFL fatigue in the Eastern state. Basically, people are whinging about money/time etc. The usual. Of course, they'll ultimately put up and play anyway...

-The format is likely to be five or six teams with 12-14 regular players and 3-4 free agents each. The only four teams that are certainities for the comp are Fak, Chilly, Barefoot and the yet to be named QLD team. (Which might play as firestorm? Jangles?) If required the comp might even be limited to five teams but no more then six are considered. Newcastle and Canberra don't have enough interest for their own teams, Deathstar will not happen and Heads of State have indicated some interest in playing.

Well thats about all I know.

Feel free to question me further if somethings unclear.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Staples on May 07, 2007, 02:00:19 AM
Thanks Tom,
Yeah, I realize there is talk on the HP group but that just raises the question about where we should be discussing all these issues. I guess it will be the HP list so will try and get myself added to that group.
Anyhow, that aside, you answer is about what I expected.

As for not using Nats for NUFL qualification or "there has not been a strong show of support for any... blah blah blah", I find this a bit strange. What's the point of nationals if we don't rank teams using it? As for teams who would have structured their lists differently, yes good point, but I have no understanding of going to Nats with a team other than one structured to get the highest placing possible. You guys chose a different path and that was your option.

Why would QLD/Firestorm get a team and not WA?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on May 07, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
NUFL allocations will probably not be based on results from nationals. This was a suggestion made to the HP list, as a simple way of figuring who should play but again "there has not been a strong show of support for any proposal for figuring out teams for NUFL as yet." However, because this policy was not in place before nationals, it will be unlikely to come about, as teams may have pursued their nationals campaigns differently if the policy was in effect. Nevertheless, still a very viable option for deciding future NUFLs.
I agree with this. I think if qualification for NUFL is to be done via Nationals then it should disclosed well before the tournament to allow clubs/states preparation, but that said it does make sense to have somewhat of qualification process to make NUFLs. It would be cool if in future years something like a "Super 8" series could be created.


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NUFL locations have *not* been decided. The Canberra one mentioned was organised by me at the start of 2006, so its old news. The locations mentioned on the NUFL website are old.
I'm not sure - but have NUFLs in the past been "cost shared"? If this was the case doesn't it make a lot of sense to have the events in location that will result in the cheapest aggregate cost - the obvious options being Sydney or Melb, and potentially Newsastle or Canberra (especially if either team get a bid).


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The format is likely to be five or six teams with 12-14 regular players and 3-4 free agents each. The only four teams that are certainities for the comp are Fak, Chilly, Barefoot and the yet to be named QLD team. (Which might play as firestorm? Jangles?) If required the comp might even be limited to five teams but no more then six are considered. Newcastle and Canberra don't have enough interest for their own teams, Deathstar will not happen and Heads of State have indicated some interest in playing.
My assumption is the the QLD will continue to be called Firestorm, but the best persons to confirm this would be Johnny Mac or Mikey Neild.


As for not using Nats for NUFL qualification or "there has not been a strong show of support for any... blah blah blah", I find this a bit strange. What's the point of nationals if we don't rank teams using it? As for teams who would have structured their lists differently, yes good point, but I have no understanding of going to Nats with a team other than one structured to get the highest placing possible. You guys chose a different path and that was your option.

Why would QLD/Firestorm get a team and not WA?
I think the major reason is probably that in the past QLD has generally had a much strong showing that how we did at the 2007 Nats. Like in 2006 Nats QLD teams finished 6th and 10th of 20 teams and from my understand QLD teams have traditionally held their own at NUFL events in the past. 

As for structuring teams other than to get the highest possible placing - well in Ultimate most clubs can't claim to have 4 or 5 divisions that allows them to stack their top team and reasonably expect their B team to compete well at Nationals. Chilly and Hot Chilly are an example of this - with their top team coming first but their B team coming 14th. Fakulti on the other hand did the spilt option and achieved 2nd and 3rd which is arguably better development for all involved and the long term development of the depth of their club. This is the way many clubs approach Nationals, this would definitely change if the results of Nationals contributed to qualification of other tournaments.

Now in QLDs case, Firestorm was completely Brisbane based players and we achieved 8th, with our small squad that included no Dingo players and many rookies, but for NUFLs we expect that we will have anywhere from 4 - 5 previous Australian reps joining the squad. I believe many of these players didn't join us in Melbourne because they perceived this Nationals team to be a "development" team and giving the associated costs felt they would "sit this one out" in preparation for NUFL, which I think for many is becoming the prestige tournament of Australian Ultimate.

That said, you can rest assured that Firestorm will be extremely competitive at NUFL, and I'm arrogant enough to say that we will actually be strong contenders.

 ;D

Though I do think that Sublime, just like Newcastle's I-Beam, both have a strong case for inclusion based on Nationals results, and I'm sure both of those bids along with HoS's will be considered at great length.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on May 07, 2007, 05:50:49 PM
Why would QLD/Firestorm get a team and not WA?
Cost sharing. Having a WA team would make fees go up a bit. WA players can still get drafted by other teams though.

NUFL was started as a way to develop teams for World Clubs last year, but for this year it's probably going to be the first stage of selections for Worlds 08. The discussion that's going on at a board level at the moment is whether not attending NUFL will mean you get looked over for Worlds selection. There hasn't been a definitive decision made, but there'll be some announcement via email (and Pottsy's beloved aus.sport.frisbee) this week as Piers is chomping at the bit to get things underway.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on May 07, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
Well I have had a positive email from Mr Neild and assuming most of the Nats boys come we will be called Firestorm. As for a WA club coming i say you talk to your members and see how many people will commit themselves to 3 weekends. I do admit you guys had a good team at Nats but would the team get stronger for NUFL.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Staples on May 07, 2007, 11:57:56 PM
Don't know if we would get a better team to NUFL due to cost but our best player JD was on the sideline at Nats and 6 of 12 men from the Sublime team from WUCC didn't go to Melb.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on May 08, 2007, 02:55:21 AM
Again, I do know for fact that Newwie do not have the player support to play NUFL. They have six players trying out (Tatts, Tim L, Hobbit, Dave Jarrot, Chris boy (Lavis) and some chump called johnno holmes) for the National team and the rest are more focused on a break or mixed.

Again, both Firestorm and FU (Canberra) may have approached nationals differently or do so in the future if NUFL team qualification becomes a factor but no policy will be applied retroactively to a past tournament. Nevertheless, Canberra is not interested in having a team.

I think the debate about having a WA team will be less based on whether or not there is space for the team, (There is no 6th team at the moment) but instead whether or not including that team will come up positive in a cost-benefit analysis (ie, is it worth paying for the cross-country airfares to bring Sublime over instead of 5-6 players as free agents) I'm not endorsing that view, I'm just saying thats what it will probably come down too.

Nevertheless, as a possible free agent, I'm keen to see how things will pan out.

Crap, must run to class!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Dens on May 09, 2007, 04:37:59 AM
Being a West Australian player I'll add into this debate. 

I think nationals needs to count for something here, if NUFL is going to be a teams based event.  While I except teams had a different approach and considered development (although I'm still perplexed as to why? ... it is the national tournament), this expectation that we can sit out Nationals and wait for NUFL is unrealistic and unfair for other teams and maintains a "stagnant" status quo.  The arguement over what full strength squads could and couldn't acheive is all well and good but numerous teams are in this bracket

Additionally if we did go down that path of picking up unless you are an out and out star who would pick you up?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 09, 2007, 10:52:05 AM
First off, debating the recent Nationals results and how these can be used to decide team allocations for NUFL is far from useful.  This criteria was not set up beforehand and therefore teams did not plan for it.  I know personally, our team was made as a rebuilding year and was happy with its 8th place finish, with little effort put into building the most competitive team possible for our region. 

With this, if we want to go on the debate each team's potential growth and possible future achievements, then we are wasting each others time.  You can try and justify this and that, saying someone is your best player and was injured and 6 of 12 whoevers didn't come, but then going back to even earlier results, in a completely different division mind you, Sublime lost to Bootius, the Brisbane team, in every tournament they met during the lead up to worlds and also placed lower at Worlds!  This isn't to brag or whatnot, but to show this is a pointless debate to ensue.  Lets focus on what is known and controllable.  Queensland definitely has enough interest for a highly competitive team for NUFL.  We can afford it and make it to each event.  Now, the next step would be to see who else has full teams of interest and can afford to go.  If WA, and Sydney, and Newcastle, and Melbourne, and so on and so forth, then we have our list of possible teams and work our way down to 6 teams from there, if six is the number.  But just debating why QLD might get a team and WA might not, is numbing.  Lets try and work together to make sure NUFL gets the most competitive teams into the event as possible, and stop fighting like schoolies about which team is better or whatnot.  The truth is, whether QLD or WA gets a team or not, people from both regions will get to play if they want to as free agents anyway. 

Do we know that Fakulti, Chilly, and Barefoot are in for NUFL for sure?  I would assume so and personally believe they should all get to go. 

Anyways, try and be more objective and cooperative, and we can reach a end result beneficial for all parties.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on May 10, 2007, 03:51:32 AM
OK I'm going to chime in and say that it does suck for WA but at the same time I don't think it is a problem that can be solved this year, but it definitely raises some points for discussion for next years NUFL.

Don't know if we would get a better team to NUFL due to cost but our best player JD was on the sideline at Nats and 6 of 12 men from the Sublime team from WUCC didn't go to Melb.
Well the point of NUFL is to have an "elite National league" if WA can't consistently field at stronger team than they did at Nationals this year they would probably struggle to compete at NUFLs.

So I guess what is more important than the fact that you had 6 guys missing is whether or not the 6 guys that were missing REALLY make your team better. Now in Queensland's case we had 6 Australian reps not play with us at Nationals, and didn't have any Open Australian reps playing with Firestorm this year.

So I guess we can easily argue that with the incorporation of at least 3 or 4 of these players our team will get significantly better, plus we had a number of other quality players that were unable to come for an assortment of reasons that otherwise would have been a part of the Nationals team and greatly improved Firestorm's strength. Not to mention that a few of the better North QLD players who played with Thor in the past have played with the QLD NUFL team.

So whilst it might suck that Sublime finished above Firestorm at Nationals, as Brett mentioned above this is  a reflection of what the QLD/Firestorm NUFL team will perform like, and traditionally QLD has been stronger than WA in both the Mixed and Open division with two QLD teams finishing above WA last year at Nationals, QLD finishing above QA in Mixed Nationals and QLD finishing above WA in WUCC not to mention that QLD also had 7 of our strongest guys playing in the Open division with Thong and Deathstar.

So I think that this year's Nationals isn't a true reflection of QLD's strength, and I'm quietly confident that the NUFL organisers will consider this more important than the Nats 07 result.


Again, both Firestorm and FU (Canberra) may have approached nationals differently or do so in the future if NUFL team qualification becomes a factor but no policy will be applied retroactively to a past tournament. Nevertheless, Canberra is not interested in having a team.
I think it is fair to say that I'm sure a lot of teams would have approached things differently if qualifications for NUFL were based on National performance. I mean no doubt Canberra would have done things differently, I'd probably even argue that Fakulti may have even considered opting for a more Chilly style split of teams to secure a sport at NUFLs because I mean if only 5 spots are up for grabs you run a big risk going for an even split.

So I also can't help but feel a policy change after Nationals probably isn't fair, but then again WA not being considered also is a bit unfair as well, but like I said it definitely raise the point that in the future results at Nationals potentially should influence NUFL "bids"/"qualification".


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I think the debate about having a WA team will be less based on whether or not there is space for the team, (There is no 6th team at the moment) but instead whether or not including that team will come up positive in a cost-benefit analysis (ie, is it worth paying for the cross-country airfares to bring Sublime over instead of 5-6 players as free agents) I'm not endorsing that view, I'm just saying thats what it will probably come down too.
It really is a shame that Perth is so far away and there isn't really a cost effective way of integrating them into the competition.

I can see why the tournament is cost shared, but I can't help but feel that in the longer run it just makes things overly complicated and places too much empahsis on "can we afford to let this team in" rather than  "is this team good enough to play". I mean even if Sublime came in the top 3 at Nationals this year, you could probably argue that they still wouldn't have been allowed to compete as a team in NUFL due to the finances of their involvement.

So is there the possibility of running 4 NUFL tournaments a year hosting an event in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth but not making them cost shared or only partially cost shared? I mean this still probably favours Melbourne and Sydney, but I think would be a much more favourable system for most involved, and would put the onus back on clubs to do fund raise for the events rather than rely on the cost shared aspect and it gives each region somewhat of a "home" advantage.

Is this the sort of direction NUFL is looking to head?


I think nationals needs to count for something here, if NUFL is going to be a teams based event.  While I except teams had a different approach and considered development (although I'm still perplexed as to why? ... it is the national tournament), this expectation that we can sit out Nationals and wait for NUFL is unrealistic and unfair for other teams and maintains a "stagnant" status quo.  The arguement over what full strength squads could and couldn't acheive is all well and good but numerous teams are in this bracket
I tend to agree that Nationals should count for something, but if it doesn't really count for anything I can completely understand why clubs take different approaches a lot to achieve different outcomes from the tournament.

So for me personally I am all for Nationals counting for NUFL qualifications in the future, but making the National 2007 results the basis for qualification into the 2007 NUFL really shouldn't be considered.


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Additionally if we did go down that path of picking up unless you are an out and out star who would pick you up?
This does suck for WA players, but at the same time NUFL is meant to be more of an "elite" competition so the level of ability to make a NUFL team is always going to be tougher, it just makes it slightly tougher for WA players. But I guess this issue only highlights futher the need to be able to integrate a "WA Team" into NUFL in the future, and I think the best way to put further pressure on having the change come about is getting more "out and out stars" playing over in WA and competing at Nationals.

Though that said difficulty you WA players face is still somewhat similar to what person faces in NUFL club, I mean there are no doubt guys who play on Chilly B that are more than capable of being assets or fitting in well on less competitive NUFL teams, but will be overlooked, the same will no doubt will happen for players at Fak when they merge into one team. It's just the nature of higher level sports.

If WA, and Sydney, and Newcastle, and Melbourne, and so on and so forth, then we have our list of possible teams and work our way down to 6 teams from there, if six is the number.  Lets try and work together to make sure NUFL gets the most competitive teams into the event as possible, and stop fighting like schoolies about which team is better or whatnot.
I agree but I much prefer throwing my two cent Australian coins at other people.

Plus I can't help but feel most people chiming in on these forums don't really have a lot of influence over which teams actually will be in attendance at NUFL - which only really leaves us the option of resorting to bitching like little school girls. Anyway, back to my pointless and wasted opinion...


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But just debating why QLD might get a team and WA might not, is numbing.
**Runs off to get old school two cent Australian coin to throw at Brett to test how "numb" Brett really is to this debate**

I think the biggest thing that can come from this "debate" is how the system works, and where it could be improved. I mean there have been a couple of valid points brought up in this thread already - but I'm sure the NUFL organisers have not doubt already considered them and spoken about them at lenght, but at the same time it is always good to have healthy discussion about things to further everyone's else understand. I mean the more people understand the system the more they can personally do to improve their regions chances of representing at NUFL and in the process the more they can do for the sport's development.

I for one would love to see more than 5 teams at NUFL in the coming years, and to have a cemented "elite" National league. And I'd love to see a proper qualification system that assure that the basis for representation in the league is primarily focused on ability and nothing else. 


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Do we know that Fakulti, Chilly, and Barefoot are in for NUFL for sure?
I'd also like to know which other teams are definite, if there are any yet? LOL is NUFL even definite yet?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on May 10, 2007, 07:13:30 PM
Chilly and Fak have said they will field teams whatever way NUFL is run

On last account (pre-nats) Barefoot have said they would prefer a NUFL that includes a bunch of free agents because they don't have the numbers to go it alone.

HoS is a possiblity and they are doing the sums to see if they have the player support, maybe with some SA support.

I am certain that Qld will be allowed to and can raise a team.

There is a good chance that every team will have to take a certain amount of free agents, from Canberra, Newwie, WA, one from the gong, maybe SA and Mike Baker.

Thats five. Newwie and Canberra are out, WA would be the next appropriate team but if individual players have to bare the cost-sharing burden of their travel, interest in NUFL will die out as the cost increases over $200-250. However, if AFDA use some of its cash (It has a lot due to World Clubs) it could cover the gap between a melb-sydney and a perth-sydney airfare and then no one would be concerned over WA playing any more then they bitch about melbourne or brisbane playing. (So there would still be some bitching...just not any that people listen too)

One way or another, the *mens* NUFL is going to be rammed through. The *womens* NUFL on the other hand....may not happen at all

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 10, 2007, 07:50:51 PM
Speaking to the other Barefoot guys, we're eager to field a NUFL team.

We would probably need to pick-up a couple of free agents though.
At the moment I reckon we could field a definite team of around 15, without free agents. 
Although I haven't spoken to every single player from Nats though.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on May 11, 2007, 12:45:54 AM
Well check out the AFDA front page.

The policy is up, albeit without answering all of our questions.

Seems like the thing to do now is to register and get your team mates to register for NUFL.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: MattA on May 18, 2007, 02:41:59 AM
Howdy all

interesting thoughts, however i've copied a post from Pottsy form NUFL-admin yahoogroup explaining the teory behind NUFL.

it may answer some of your questions, or at least she light on a few areas some of you may not be aware of.

in short NUFL is australias way of maintaining an elite level of competition so that we remain competitive on a world stage. Nationals does not provide this opportunity. in the future (a few years from now) nufl may not be necessary as the sport grows and nationals becomes the true "elite" event we all wish it could be. for now, nufl is necessary (and it's founders should be congratulated for its inception) for elite development/maintenance.

read NUFL -admin for more (there are some great minds at work for our sport).

+++++++++++++
Pottsy states:
As part of planning for HP for the next year, I want to revisit and
hopefully gain some agreement on the aims of NUFL.

From some conversations I've had, it appears that
some people aren't clear on why we have NUFL, so I think it's useful for
us to have a clear statement of purpose for NUFL that helps drive our
planning and guides any decision to ditch or retain.

NUFL was born post-2004 worlds, primarily as a realisation that Australia
could only become/remain competitive on the world stage if it could create
a domestic competition which was comparable with the best domestic
competition in the world, which at the moment is the UPA series.

It is also apparent to me that a successful domestic competition can be
achieved
with a modest playing population and despite geographical challenges.

The north west coast of North America is essentially a microcosm of domestic
competition, only competing against teams from the rest of the country
twice a year (Emerald City Classic and Nationals). They have roughly 6
strong teams in both Men's and Women's - Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, 3
from (San Francisco + Santa Cruz + Santa Barbara).

Those cities are a long way apart and expensive to get all those teams
together. It's further between Seattle and San Francisco than Brisbane
and Melbourne and domestic flights in the US are more expensive than
here. It's much easier for teams to travel around on the East Coast and
the population densities are much higher.

However, that "North-West region" has produced most of the semifinalists
and champions of UPA in every division for the past 8 years.

The point of that ramble is that I think it is achievable for us to have
a world-class competition with the resources we have at hand.

To cut to the chase, this is my suggested vision for NUFL:

Vision: NUFL is a world-leading domestic competition, built utilising
our resources as efficiently as possible.

Reasons for doing this:
1. To provide opportunities for our elite players to compete in the most
challenging competition possible without overseas travel.
2. To build a platform as high as possible for our national teams and
club teams to launch their assault on international competition.
3. To provide a competition for our developing players to aspire to.
4. To provide promotional and sponsorship opportunities for our sport and
our players (this is minor compared with the first 3).

Principles:
1. All elite players are treated reasonably equally, regardless of where
they reside (this doesn't necessarily extend to those on the fringe of
NUFL, there will always be easier paths into NUFL and development within
NUFL by being in a major
ultimate centre, but once you are solidly within NUFL-standard you
should be treated equally). NUFL and our national teams will only be
stronger by including the best players from around the country.

I'd also like to point out other advantages the North-West of North
America have over us:
1. Elite players relocate to the NW to play with those super-teams.
2. They train really f&^#ing hard - 2 x 3hrs per week plus both weekend
days when they don't have tournaments (most teams have a break for about
a month in July/August) - they don't play city league in-season!! They just
train and play tournaments.
3. They have a strong youth development program through schools and
college ultimate.

So, I would suggest the following strategies:
1. Embrace overseas players into our competition based purely on merit
(I believe we do this well at the moment)
2. Encourage teams to be able to train together - this suggests
equipping each team with a "core" of players who live close together
enough to train regularly.
3. Promote NUFL with our youth, invite local youth players to train with
NUFL squad, or send NUFL players out to coach local schools, but I think
we should pick players based purely on merit and immediate potential,
not discriminate against older players based on age (yes I'm an older
player).
+++++++++++

as for the expense
this is an area i can talk about with some expertise (as can Lenny/JD/Tas players etc)

living in townsville and playing for Buggers costs a lot, i am willing to bear this cost (as well as the risk of not makiing the team due to distance related training/team development issues). flying to bris for training weekends costs up to $400 each time.
A. the cost sharing has made the playing of NUFL a reachable goal, the amount refunded thru cost sharing has really helped ease the financial burden.
B. Pauls point about "who'd pick up free agents" is valid, yet as pottsy states "all players are treated reasonably equally" based on merit.

given these two points,
if WA players and others in far flung outposts want to play, register as free agents and see what happens. Barefoot/QLD/'Once-Was-Deathstar' may very well pick you up.
NUFL is there for the development of all players, not just clubs.

thanks Brett for reminding us to move forwards. two cents are out of circulation for good reason   ;)

Train hard, play hard, play fair, get dirty.

cheers
MattA



Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 23, 2007, 06:40:55 PM
Time to get your teams together and start training!
The date for NUFL 1 has been confirmed.

21-22 July - NTC
18-19 August - NUFL 1

. . . both at Mac Uni in Sydney.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on May 23, 2007, 08:14:31 PM
So no NUFL 2?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 23, 2007, 08:24:07 PM
So no NUFL 2?

Well, I'm assuming it'll happen, but the details aren't confirmed yet.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 23, 2007, 08:25:21 PM
Posted by Piers on the AFDA website . . .

"The dates and location for NUFL 2 are still tentative, but we hope to finalise this shortly. The tentative arrangements are;

15-16 September - Melbourne

More information about these events will be posted to this website by the end of next week (3 June 2007)."

http://afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=438


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on May 23, 2007, 10:22:29 PM
Bugger... I was really hoping those wouldn't be the dates for NUFL 2.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Northern Mike on June 04, 2007, 06:53:15 AM
So six teams signed up.  Barefoot, Chilli, Fakulti, Firestorm, Heads of State and Sublime. Sensational.

What about the juicy Free Agent pick ups who will be available now? None of the many strong players from Adelaide, Canberra, Newcastle, the Gong are signed up to a team yet. I know there are a couple of guns who i would love to add to the Firestorm list if I had the chance.

It will be interesting how all these new and established frisbee champions are distributed.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 04, 2007, 08:54:32 AM
Yeah, I think it will be interesting to know which team will have the first 'draft' pick and which Newcastle player (who clearly have at least the highest three demanded free agents) will get woofed up first.

I'm quite curious as to where I will end up. I'm quite excited by the prospect of playing with a non-canberra team, should be a good and different experience.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: timill on June 06, 2007, 08:32:17 AM
Will be interesting to see if costs go up to accommodate for the WA's.

I'm glad there's 6 teams, and from 4 states too. It will help improve players from all over Australia and hopefully this will have a flow-on effect to all the rest of the players in each state.
I'm looking forward to playing with some people I've never played with too.

Can't wait to see who we pick up.

Without the freeagents, what order do you think the teams will be from strongest to weakest.

I'm thinking something like..

Fakulti
Barefoot
Chilly
Firestorm
Heads Of State
Sublime


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 06, 2007, 10:31:43 AM
Considering that Chilly are missing pivotal players from their roster (at the moment, The Gak and Shane V) and with Barefoot seemingly down on nummbers, (I only see the rego page, is reality different?) I think both will have strong cases to be moved *down* in the order.

Fakulti is clearly the strongest team and are probably the team least likely to want free agents. Then, I'd go Firestorm, if their numbers hold out, as they are getting reinforced with a *lot* of old hands for NUFL. Then I guess Barefoot, because I have no where else to put them. Sublime and a Gak/Shaneless Chilly have a very similar composition of players (if very different styles) but I'd have to put Chilly next on the provision that they adapt their play and follow that with Sublime. Heads of State come last, simply because they will benefit the most from getting an extra old hand or two and are the great dark horse of the comp. They are certainly untested at this level and may be a bag of surpises at NUFL but we will have to wait till the first day of NUFL to see what happens.

So in summary my top to bottom is:

Fak
Firestorm
Barefoot
Chilly
Sublime
Heads of State


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on June 06, 2007, 09:11:01 PM
hehe go firestorm. shame i have missed the last 2 training sessions...SO SLACK(bad Jangles)

I must say training with pottsy is fun but who gives out sit ups/fire as a reward?? seriously i think he has a screw loose.

haha love ya pottsy


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on June 06, 2007, 11:06:29 PM
Push-ups, sit-ups and any form of normal 'punishment' is the perfect reward for any ultimate player. At Barefoot trainings, the punishment for anything is having to watch the rest of the team do a set  :D



Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 06, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
hehe go firestorm. shame i have missed the last 2 training sessions...SO SLACK(bad Jangles)

I must say training with pottsy is fun but who gives out sit ups/fire as a reward?? seriously i think he has a screw loose.
LOL yeah where have you been you bludger - it was pissing down rain at the last session it was glorious! And I'm loving the rewards - there isn't nearly enough rewards!


Push-ups, sit-ups and any form of normal 'punishment' is the perfect reward for any ultimate player. At Barefoot trainings, the punishment for anything is having to watch the rest of the team do a set  :D
You guys are so cruel - you should at least let them get their rewards, but they just have wait to do them at the end of training or something and the rest of the team join in with them, but not letting them get them at some point is just too cruel!

Now considering all the NUFL details are out of the way, I shall initiate the smack talk! NUFL for all the teams is really going to be a competition for 2nd because Firestorm is taking 1st! Rest assured there will be a super shit hot Firestorm team coming to a NUFL near you! Seriously though I'm loving the look of the Firestorm team, definitely are going to be BIG contenders.

Oh and just to spice things up a bit of HoS smack talk - HoS are a deadset certainty for last! The fact you guys haven't cut Isherwood and Moroney yet doesn't help, then there is the issue of Piers jumping from your burning ship to the team that started the fire - you know the one - Firestorm baby!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on June 07, 2007, 12:03:46 AM
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LOL yeah where have you been you bludger - it was pissing down rain at the last session it was glorious! And I'm loving the rewards - there isn't nearly enough rewards!

to be honest my body needed a quick respite to recover, plus uni work was piling up. Dont worry ill be down there next week.

and totally agree with you about HOS cant see them winning a game.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 12, 2007, 06:59:17 PM
Again, check the front AFDA page....NUFL team numbers have been released.

As expected, Fak have elected to avoid free agents where possible and Melbourne women will have no free agents at all (Or their picks are effectively going to be the 17/18th melb women anyway)

24 spots for boys and 18 spots for girls

There are about 34 boys trying out for those spots, so thats a bunch that will miss out, I know how that feels :(

I suppose the distribution is fairly even amongst the teams, aside from Fak and Sublime. Fak only want 2 free agents and Sublime will be picking up quite a few. There are a couple of ex-WA players that might slip on to Sublime very easily, it will be interesting to see. By sheer fact that they have to pick more than the others, I'd suggest Sublime gets the first draft pick. I presume JD is picking...I wonder who he'll pick as the first draft pick! (I think Hobbit is a good chance)

Should be interesting to see how it all turns out!

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rjhberg on June 14, 2007, 08:31:30 PM
Free Agent players have been announced on AFDA

Can't wait to see who goes where!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 14, 2007, 11:22:40 PM
Yep, I'm quite excited as well.

From what I have heard about the draft process, teams that have the smallest core rosters will pretty much automatically get their extra picks before everyone else. This is primarily Sublime, Factory Girls (Canberra women) and Sultry (Qld women).

Of the 24 free agents, 18 played for deathstar, hah!

So Sublime will probably get the first three picks automatically and then Sublime, HOS, Chilly and Firestorm will fight off for the fourth pick.

I certainly think its a little extreme to say that HOS won't win a game. They are certainly stronger than Chilly B or Karma, who both filled the 6th team gap in past years.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on June 15, 2007, 03:16:39 AM
Sweet! Now we can have AFL/NBA style #1 draft pick discussions!

Women: Ash Martens
Men: Jonno Holmes

Anyone care to disagree?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 15, 2007, 05:40:19 AM
Most of the Newwie guys would be a great addition to any NUFL team.

Probably what will be of much greater interest will be which teams get first pick. I would appear that with Chilly missing a few of their stars that the loose seeds would be something to this effect:

1:Fak
2:Barefoot
3/4:Chilly/Firestorm
5/6:HoS/Sublime

Well that is the general vibe I'm getting from people I have spoken about it with. Though of course being a Firestorm boy I'm more than confident that with the core roster that Firestorm has posted has the ability to win the 07 NUFL series. Of course I'm interested to see how thing shape up after the draft picks.

Can I ask - do any of the HoS boys know what the go is with your team yet? You guys took 21 to Nationals didn't you? But you've only nominated 14 for NUFL - is this due to expenses? time? availability? or did you cut your roster down significantly? How's it looking now? Stronger/weaker than Nats?

I'm just asking because HoS from my perspective is one of those mostly unknown quantities.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: timill on June 15, 2007, 06:53:05 AM
I'm just asking because HoS from my perspective is one of those mostly unknown quantities.

And you're scared of the unknown aren't you! :P hehe.



Here's what happened.

We took 21 to Nationals.
We lost Piers to Firestorm 21 - 1 = 20
2 guys didn't want to play 20 - 2 = 18

Of that 18, 10 are making up the core team to play both NUFL 1 & 2.
The other 8 guys are only playing one NUFL. 4 are playing in Sydney at NUFL1 and 4 are playing in Melbourne at NUFL2.

So, 10 core HOS players + 4 other HOS players + 4 free agents = 1 Mighty NUFL Team.


NUFL wasn't in our initial 5 year plan. We're stoked to have been offered a spot in our first year as a team.
And with G'pa Piers gone, our average age will drop to somewhere around 20-21. That means many more years of NUFL.

Yay Ya!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 15, 2007, 11:22:17 PM
OK so I'm to understand than that the reducing from 21 to 14, isn't as much a "trimming of the fat" per se as it is just availability and desire to play. So then my understanding is the HoS team won't be any stronger than their Nationals team before pickups?

I'm actually really interested to see how some of these teams stack up after the draft picks, and it will be interesting to see the people that some teams pick. Like obviously different teams are going to be lacking different aspects whether it be handlers, cutters, recievers, bench warmers, except of course for Firestorm who have it all...   ;D!

(note: I got the role of bench warmer)



Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 16, 2007, 06:43:05 AM
Nah, HoS have certainly trimmed the fat. Look at who isn't playing for them *cough*piers*cough* :P

I expect great things from these boys, I hope they beat up some chumps at nufl.

The first draft pick won't be as exciting as it will effectively be the first draft trio pick, as Sublime will make the first three picks before other teams start contesting the picking thingo. I'm certain that johnno and hobbit will be in that top three and then probably Timmah L. I imagine this is how it is happening for the boys because this is what I have been told is happening for the girls.

Ummm I just thought of something....do all the NUFL core teams have extra shirts for us free agent chumps?

I also have good word that Ash Martens *does* have a pretty good chance at being the first draft pick, as I was chatting with the canberran lady that is making the decision about who the first pick is.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on June 16, 2007, 06:31:47 PM
When's the draft occurring?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: matt.h on June 16, 2007, 07:28:29 PM
After the National Training Camp I think.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Northern Mike on June 16, 2007, 11:14:39 PM
Hey Tom

Firestorm are currently working on getting some extra playing strips imported.

Which number do you want mate?

Mike


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 17, 2007, 04:49:49 AM
Awesome, I'd like 8 or 88 if you can manage it :)

Hah, Reminds me of the silliness of getting my number for the original deathstar shirts. I put my preferences in late and said I'd take 8, then 18 or 88 and I joked that if those numbers were taken then I'd go sideways eight, infinity..... of course, thats what I ended up with.

The NUFL team selectors will be meeting the night of the 22nd of July to do the draft, so i imagine it'd be announced in the couple of days after that.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 17, 2007, 09:50:31 AM
I also have good word that Ash Martens *does* have a pretty good chance at being the first draft pick
If the open teams were eligible to pick her I'm quietly confident she'd have a fair crack at being the top draft pick - she's unreal!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on June 17, 2007, 08:07:22 PM
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(note: I got the role of bench warmer)

ill be there with you however i think i am more of a water boy.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: disc_faerie on June 18, 2007, 07:19:08 AM
Sweet! Now we can have AFL/NBA style #1 draft pick discussions!

Women: Ash Martens
Men: Jonno Holmes

Anyone care to disagree?

me likey...let the bidding begin...anybody give me 5bucks?

ash


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: jonnoholmes on June 19, 2007, 09:27:20 PM
Hi guys,

Tim Lavis and I were having shopping trolley races in the woolies carpark on the weekend and I hit the gutter going pretty fast. Tossed me out and I landed on my shoulder. End result, broken collarbone.   :'( Physio reckons about 8 weeks till the bone heals, and another 4 before I can play. So I doubt I'll be able to play nufl. Captains might want to skip me in the draft, I'd be pretty useless.

Jonno


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rjhberg on June 19, 2007, 09:51:29 PM
Hi guys,

Tim Lavis and I were having shopping trolley races in the woolies carpark on the weekend and I hit the gutter going pretty fast. Tossed me out and I landed on my shoulder. End result, broken collarbone.   :'( Physio reckons about 8 weeks till the bone heals, and another 4 before I can play. So I doubt I'll be able to play nufl. Captains might want to skip me in the draft, I'd be pretty useless.

Jonno


That's really bad news

It's even stupider then me injurying my shoulder laying out thru Pizza Boxes!

Hope you have a speedy recovery


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on June 19, 2007, 09:54:42 PM
I have to ask, who were you racing and did you and timmy win? 

On a side note, the shopping trolley races sound hilarious and awesome, Pottsy and I challenge you and Timmy when you feel up to it!  Though, I agree with Reubes, that does suck and is rather unfortunate.  However, on the plus side, it is a funny story!

I wish you well and will pray for you and a speedy recovery, farewell.

-Matzuka


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: MattA on June 19, 2007, 09:56:17 PM
ahh crap!
thats a bugger.
hope you can recover well, i'm sure you'll do what the doc and physio tell you to do.

good luck

(still got you picked in my idea of WUGC08 dingo's)

cheers
mattA


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: mattdowle on June 19, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
Hey Jonno!!!

Yeah man, i heard the rumour - that's a real bummer. Timmy didn't mention any injuries to him - did he come up unhurt?

It reminds me of the time when i was having a race against my mate with shopping trolleys (we had drunk chicks in them - hehe). I was running along the road, actually a bridge and managed to get pulled over by the cops - i would have no idea why - doubt i was speeding, but maybe these shopping trolleys should only go so fast.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 20, 2007, 12:08:44 PM
Man, I'm sorry to hear that, that's pretty bad timing. All the best with your speedy recovery. 


It's even stupider then me injurying my shoulder laying out thru Pizza Boxes!
Clearly injuring yourself diving through pizza boxes is way stupider, because it would seem much less likely to hurt yourself doing it. Where as when in the pursuit of a good time that involves shopping trolleys, bitcherment, gutters, excessive speed (dare I say a little bit of alcohol? - just a guess) well it doesn't take a mathematician to work out some good times definitely have their risks. Where as with diving through pizza boxes... who would have thought!

 :P

I have to ask, who were you racing and did you and timmy win? 
This what really matters, did you win? After all, pain fades, wounds heal, chicks digs scars, and there's always NUFL 2 - but glory; that's forever!

Get better soon!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 20, 2007, 08:50:29 PM
*cough*bullshit!*cough*

Don't believe the lies boys!

This wouldn't be the first time rumours of newwie jackassness have been spread around :P

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on June 20, 2007, 11:38:58 PM
bitcherment
I take it you mean bitumen? That's twice in the last five minutes that I've had to correct your spelling, Chris. It seems they'll let anyone into uni in Queensland.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rjhberg on June 21, 2007, 12:16:34 AM
Dates for NUFL 2 are locked in:

Melbourne on the 8th/9th September


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: matt.h on June 21, 2007, 01:04:50 AM
Not Sept 15th-16th?

Interesting, just saw the email from Pottsy but when I spoke to Camby he had booked the fields for the 15th-16th weekend. Here's hoping he just said the wrong dates but booked for the correct dates :)


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on June 21, 2007, 01:22:39 AM
Piers and Camby have said 15th/16th. Dunno where 8th/9th came from.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: matt.h on June 21, 2007, 01:34:26 AM
Pottsy sent out an email to all players registered on afda.com for the NUTC and NUFL competition this afternoon saying the dates had been changed as it permitted players to get cheaper airfares on the 8th-9th.

Would be silly if everyone got cheap airfares, came all the way here to find out the fields had been booked for a week later :P


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Frank on June 21, 2007, 07:10:00 AM
Hi guys,

Tim Lavis and I were having shopping trolley races in the woolies carpark on the weekend and I hit the gutter going pretty fast. Tossed me out and I landed on my shoulder.
Jonno


Injuries suck...but that is a sweet story. I lol'd.

Quote from: matthui
Interesting, just saw the email from Pottsy but when I spoke to Camby he had booked the fields for the 15th-16th weekend

I sense danger. Surely a f***-up of that magnitude is not possible.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 21, 2007, 11:56:01 AM
I sense danger. Surely a f***-up of that magnitude is not possible.
You have been playing ultimate long enough to know that fuck ups of this magnitude are not only possible but probable.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: oshep on June 21, 2007, 11:03:12 PM
It is 8th/9th and fields have been booked for then.

"Hi all,

NUFL2 is confirmed in Melbourne on the 8th/9th September.

Apologies for the date change from the tentative date, but the earlier weekend is possibly $100 cheaper for flights per person on the current sales, so it was an obvious choice.

...
-Pottsy"


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on June 23, 2007, 01:44:21 AM
I would have to say I am siding with LittleTom. 

I am doubting that the jonnoholmes story is even a person from Newcastle, or is it Timmy Lavis playing with our heads.  Either way, I am putting money down that Jonno Holmes is at First NUFL with Tim Lavis, John Greenfield, and the rest of the Newcastle boys.

The real question is, however, how come Chris hasn't smack talked Jonno, Timmy, and all of Newcastle yet on how he is going to sky you at every frisbee event for now on?   


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 23, 2007, 02:42:46 AM
I'm sure its Jonno actually spreading the rumour! Typical Newwie mischief. They showed up to EUGs 2005 with Timmah in a cast and saying that he had broken his arm....but it was all an elaborate ruse! Part of their success at carrying out similar pranks has been that we have broken bones in similar dorky circumstances in the past!

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on June 24, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
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The real question is, however, how come Chris hasn't smack talked Jonno, Timmy, and all of Newcastle yet on how he is going to sky you at every frisbee event for now on?

you should know by now brett he doesnt like smack talking anyone who has any sort of talent, except mike of course.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Chris on June 25, 2007, 01:34:45 AM
The real question is, however, how come Chris hasn't smack talked Jonno, Timmy, and all of Newcastle yet on how he is going to sky you at every frisbee event for now on? 
Despite a plethora of examples suggesting otherwise, I'd argue that I'm not THAT stupid. I tend to pick fights with those that I have a fair crack at beating *cough*Jangles, Wood, Moroney*cough* so yeah whilst I am happy to start some friendly banter with the Newwie boys I don't want to piss them off the point of them needing to feel like making an example of me in either the smack talk stakes or on the field. I mean aside from the UQ's glorious punishment of Newwie at AUGs in 06 I have generally been on the receiving end.

::)

Though with that all said - with the quality unit Firestorm are sending down I feel quite at ease when it comes to running my mouth - something I'm sure the Newwie boys can't even do too much yet considering they have yet to make it onto a team first!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on June 26, 2007, 08:20:51 PM
Oh, the other news is that Jonno Holmes is moving to Canberra

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rjhberg on August 01, 2007, 07:19:18 AM
So NUFL 1 is just around the corner

Now that Free Agents have been allocated, anyone have any opinions on which team will take this out?

Seems like every team went away pretty happy with their draft picks - I know HoS was:

Hobbit, Tim Booth, Max Wheeler and K - not bad pickups!!!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 01, 2007, 08:56:09 AM
HOS is so happy, especially after the schooling hobbit handed to matzuka on the weekend.  There was no trash that game because the little obnoxious hawain got his ass chumped.  i love u brett


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on August 01, 2007, 10:45:54 AM
I heard Matzuka threw a push pass goal over hobbits head in that game, huh?  He scored a few times too, pretty crazy. 

With that said, I would have to honestly say Wood stepped it up.  He had some money throws against us and I was proud to call him my own, of course, I am a chump so that leaves Wood as a chump by association, but still proud of him.  Btw, he lost to us 15-6, so ouch... ;)

 :-* <---this is for you wood, I love you mostest

Good luck to HoS at NUFL, good to see you boys stepping it up!  :)


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on August 01, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
I just cheered you Wood, that is why you are at +4...how is that for love!  ;)


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: JdR on August 01, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
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Hobbit, Tim Booth, Max Wheeler and K - not bad pickups!!!

If you're planning to play in drag maybe!   ;)



Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 02, 2007, 01:15:57 AM
i heard all about the push pass matzuka but i was getting food.  apparaenlty you came over to where i was sitting and was looking for one of those sweet celebrations your becoming so famous for, very sorry to miss that.  STEPPED IT UP farkenhell that was by far my worst game, i think my team realised why they had their doubts about having me in that game, but oh well hang overs and playing good ultimate just don't go together.  see usually its buuf i am playing with and on the sunday morning we are playing off for some gay 10th position or something and i am allowed to be hung over still.  not for mixed nats tho so woodley won't be coming to no more parties whilst been on sweet teams.  thanks for the cheer, your still my man crush!!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on August 02, 2007, 07:48:59 AM
Not to say anything bad after just talking you up Wood, but your worst game had to be the 3/4 playoff against the GAP.  Please tell me it was, because Johnny and I watched you throw 3 away in 2 points, and one was to 3 Mind The Gap players with the closest teammate 15-20 meters away.  All in all, I didn't get to see extreme amounts, but I still back you as a Barramundi! 


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 02, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
oh yer thats right, don't forget the double crapiness.  but i still managed to be positive in fantasy that game, i started out plus 4 then went to -1 but reviving myself to +2 i think it was.  i blame it on bitter barry booth heckling me.  it happens to me a lot, boothy walks over and then bam there you have it a turn.  thanks for the vote of confidence but i doubt i will even make the next cut champ, to raw!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 06, 2007, 08:45:15 PM
Wood after playing against you and actually marking you, i have to admit you have some talent. You are still young and developing like myself just you are younger you bastard. However bring it on at NUFL.

Also i dont remember you making postive figure in the semi but then again i left the game early and arrived late i had you on -4 so ill stick with that.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 06, 2007, 10:06:49 PM
i am pretty sure you would be younger than me jangles! i am 22, how old are you


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 07, 2007, 01:43:31 AM
22 with a march B'Day, I just look young.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on August 07, 2007, 01:44:11 AM
i started out plus 4 then went to -1 but reviving myself to +2
Don't forget if you pipe back to a heckler that's -1.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 07, 2007, 05:08:04 AM
haha pissy, no in the semi i was negative a whole bunch, and jangles i am older than you so u can't give me the whole i have youth on my side.  but i take your comment as a compliment to my flawless skin!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 07, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
haha mate i think you need to start acting your age then.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: woodley#53 on August 08, 2007, 02:01:32 AM
ahahahahahahah how many times i have heard that! getting old is mandatory growing up is optional!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Lex on August 13, 2007, 08:00:52 AM
Hey Guys.
Question.

An email went round from pottsy to all the juniors saying that they would be more than welcome if they wanted to help score.. I sent one back saying that I would like to help but he hasn't replied.. Has he (as in either pottsy or the AFDA) gotten it and ignored me or gotten it and assumes that I know what to do i.e. show up at the right time/place or just not gotten it at all? Because I would really like to help.. Watching all the great players play at the top level in Australia ulti will be really good for me (Not to say that I also get 15 bucks a game :P))

-Alex


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on August 13, 2007, 06:38:49 PM
pottsy is just a bit slow replying to some emails. I'd suggest you show up if worst come to worst and hit up the money tree at the tournament.

-Tom


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: mattdowle on August 13, 2007, 10:01:04 PM
Hi Lex

I'm sure something will be sent out (probably Thurs or Fri because it's always last minute) once the draw has been done, so we all the know timings of the games etc. He won't have ignored you - he always has a massive stack of things to deal with leading up to things like this.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 13, 2007, 10:20:33 PM
Poor Pottsy is super busy atm with work Afda and Firestorm shit, on top of that it is his B'day. Needless to say Pottsy does more work than nearly anyone in the ultimate community. personally i had bugging pottsy but there is often no one else to ask about certain things.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Lex on August 14, 2007, 02:20:31 AM
Ah k, Thanks for the help guys.
Yeah I knew Pottsy was busy but not sure how much work he does do and it sounds like alot wouldn't happen without him, We will see on Friday what happens but weather or not im helping scoring I sure am coming to watch you guys play for sure!

-Alex


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: simmo on August 19, 2007, 08:24:06 AM
Fakulti unfeated. Firestorm lost one. HoS yet to win one, and today rained out.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on August 19, 2007, 06:09:18 PM
being rained out was quite dissappointing really. Fucks up the idea of the series really. Now its just a random bunch of tough games with a selection premise to it.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: JdR on August 19, 2007, 07:59:08 PM
Tell us more, NUFLers.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: JdR on August 19, 2007, 08:23:11 PM
Adam Mortimer posted this on one of the Canberra lists:

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For those who were interested, according to BoM, syd has had just shy of 120mm of rain since Saturday evening.

For those not at nufl on the weekend, it was a washout on Sunday.
Results were 
- fakulti 3 wins (v sublime by 1pt, chilly (fak only one turnover or something equally silly) and v firestorm by 2??)
- sublime 2 wins (v chilly and Heads of State) 1 loss (v fak)
- firestorm 2 wins (v barefoot by 2 and HoS) 1 loss (v fak)
- barefoot 1 win (v HoS by 10) 2 loss (firestorm by 2, chilly by 2)
- chilly 1 win, 2 losses
- HoS 3 losses


Hopefully we'll get some scores and for and againsts soon.



Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Northern Mike on August 19, 2007, 08:45:36 PM
Yeah Saturday was a sensational day for Frisbee.

Good temperature, pretty nice fields compared to what we are used to at home, quality fris action. Firestorm had a good game against Barefoot, "the slap of the old thongs" we were calling it. Hard running, tight contest with just the right amount of argy bargy for my liking. We were happy to win, we played well to win.

Fakulti sorted us out by winning a couple of crucial points in the second half when the pressure was on. They held their nerve well and we couldn't apply enough pressure to unsettle them. It was 9 to 8 Firestorm at half time (on serve). Yorston had 2 run through blokes on scoring passes down wind which were important in the second half.

Both games on Saturday lived up to expectations in terms of the skill and quality of players on the field, and in terms of the intensity and speed you would expect of a NUFL event. Very enjoyable day.

Sunday was crap. It was great to be playing the HOS kids, and after they got over feeling intimidated they played very well. It was a game for big dives and emotion based play. I enjoyed playing the boys and I enjoyed the result as well.

These Aussie teams are going to be sweet!

Mike


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: JdR on August 23, 2007, 02:49:52 AM
Jonno Jonas has posted some photos at:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonathanjonas/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonathanjonas/)

These are already being loldisced at http://brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/ (http://brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/)

Have any other NUFL1 pictures been posted yet?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Tiger on August 24, 2007, 02:33:25 AM
NUFL was fantastic. I have new heroes in the form of Firestorm. I don't care what it takes, I am definitely getting one of those shirts one day.

Seriously.

If I can grow a few feet.

T.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: wetnose on August 25, 2007, 12:51:20 AM
You don't need to grow to be on the team, just be an awesome handler like Buzz or Al. Or throw hammers like Jason.

Ah Tiger, so young with so much enthusiasm. You were a pretty cool guy though.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: a1214 on August 25, 2007, 02:22:39 AM
Wow I saw a bit of day one from the score keeping and was impressed, 2 callahans in one game (one being the winning point) in HoS vs. Sublime!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Robbie on August 26, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
Please, no juniors on Firestorm, they're so annoying...


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 28, 2007, 01:47:23 AM
NUFL was fantastic. I have new heroes in the form of Firestorm. I don't care what it takes, I am definitely getting one of those shirts one day.

Seriously.

If I can grow a few feet.

T.
your nearly as tall as me. The only problem you may have is that you live in the wrong city there tiger. If fak or barefoot dont want you why would we.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: wetnose on August 28, 2007, 02:24:56 AM
wow jangles, great way to support someone who looks up to u!!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on August 28, 2007, 02:40:49 AM
haha i think it is more looking up to the rest of the team. I am one of the shortest in our line up at a massive 178cms. But that unfortunately is the NUFL system he could come to Uni in QLD and play for us.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Tiger on August 28, 2007, 04:44:00 AM
Yeah, bring on the growth spurts.

For the record Jangles, just for that, I'm taking down the posters of you that adorn my room walls as well as scrapping my plans for a giant chocolate Jangles next Easter.

Honestly, if I ever get good enough to play any NUFL (even if that means having an unfortunate smelting incident of my own and playing womens) then I don't particularly mind what team I play for - I'm just idolizing you Firestorm folk because I'm a Brisbane boy and Robbie kept on rubbing his Firestorm shirt on me.

And no joke, the enthusiasm rubbed off.

T.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Robbie on August 28, 2007, 07:59:35 AM
And why was i rubing my short on you???

Because i have one and you don't (you owe me 10 bucks for the touching fee)

But Tiger, with hair like that you were made for Firestorm!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: JMc on August 28, 2007, 09:09:07 AM
Tiger, you never told me you were a Brissy boy, mate? Since when?

I think I could potentially see a place for you on Firestorm in the future. Moving back up here might be a good start, though. This free agent thing is so haphazard... But yeah, we can never have enough firey lefties on the team. Who knows, perhaps Firestorm '09?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: ulty_arnie on August 28, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
I can see those assignments are going well johnny!  LOL


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Tiger on August 29, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
Tiger, you never told me you were a Brissy boy, mate? Since when?

Well, I've been born in Brisbane pretty much my entire life.

T.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: timill on August 29, 2007, 04:21:20 AM
Got him.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on September 04, 2007, 07:56:08 PM
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For the record Jangles, just for that, I'm taking down the posters of you that adorn my room walls as well as scrapping my plans for a giant chocolate Jangles next Easter.

Damn i always wanted my weight in chocolate. I was even gonna hit the gym ready for the casting.

For the record everyone
"Self improvement is masterbation" Tyler - Fight Club


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Northern Mike on September 07, 2007, 03:22:53 AM
Bring it on boys.

I'll see you in the End Zone.

Mike


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: shoggy on September 09, 2007, 09:20:55 PM
so, chilly, national champions, 0-5 for the weekend - proof they are a one-person team?

barefoot 5-0, did anyone see that coming?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: DaveR on September 10, 2007, 12:20:17 AM
what where th results from the weekedn...and who won the overall champ?


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rjhberg on September 10, 2007, 12:24:29 AM
Heads Of State:

Spanked by Fakulti

Lost a close game to Sublime

Lost a closer game to Firestorm

Lost an even closer game to Barefoot after leading at half time

Won a really close game over Chilly!


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on September 10, 2007, 12:46:27 AM
what where th results from the weekedn...and who won the overall champ?

Fakulti won on the back of a one-loss performance over the 2 tournies, while picking up a stack of bonus points with some crushing defeats.

I'm proud to say that they didn't beat us. Chumps.
NUFL 2 was an awesome weekend for Barefoot: 5-0, in the blustery, dust bowl; a gusty, ballsy performance from an under-manned, under-strength 12-man squad.


I must say I was very impressed with the overall standard of the games over the weekend. The standard and margin between most of the teams was small, meaning lots of nerve-wracking but exciting finishes to games.

The women's NUFL was taken out by one of the Sydney teams: Betty Crocker (?).
Not sure what the overall situation was like on the women's side..


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Northern Mike on September 10, 2007, 02:43:00 AM
The Firestorm experience went like this.

Game 1: Chilly. In trouble early, big come back to even at 16 all, won in sudden death.
Game 2: Fakulti. Handed a lesson in Frisbee.
Game 3: HOS. Close all the way through the first half, we pulled away early in the second and it didn't feel close again after that. Was probably only 2 or 3 points in the end.
Game 4: Sublime. Trading most of the way. We gave away a 15 to 13 lead to loose from 16 all.
Game 5: Barefoot. We were out of the contest early and then fought it back in the second half from maybe 11-14 to 16 all. Barefoot got up after starting on D at 16's.

So a smashing, a close but comfy win and 3 sudden death bar fights (to quote Pottsy). Quite proud of the boys.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: littletom on September 10, 2007, 04:06:25 AM
I think the final standing for the boys were

Fak
Barefoot
Sublime
Firestorm
Heads of State
Chilly

Great weekend, had a ball. See you lot at the next frisbee event...


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Noodles on September 10, 2007, 04:23:51 AM
Sublime time:

Game 1 vs Barefoot. Started sluggish. Fought back but beaten approx 15-17.
Game 2 vs HOS. Won 17-16 or 17-15 in a hard fought contest.
Game 3 vs Chilly. Won 17-16 or 17-15 in another nail-biter as the night closed in.
Game 4 vs Firestorm. Won 17-16. Hard fought, character building game.

Interlude - Avocado pip tennis match with discs as rackets. Billy & Timmy def JD & Tweely. Game turns violent.

Game 5 vs Fakulti. Wanted to avenge our 16-17 loss at NUFL 1. Instead we were handed our asses. Lost 6-16. Fakulti zone very strong.

Stoked to finish 3rd. No easy games. Awesome fun. Good spirit all round. Wish we could do it more often.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: rachelg on September 10, 2007, 09:46:17 PM
The womens results were:

Overall
1. Betty Crocker (Sydney) [6 wins, 1 wash-out (draw), 1 loss]
2. Sara Lee (Sydney) [4 wins, 2 wash-outs (draw), 2 losses]
3. VOS (Melbourne) [4 wins, 1 wash-outs (draw), 3 losses]
4. Factory Girls (ACT) [3 wins, 1 wash-outs (draw), 4 losses]
5. Sultry (Brisbane) [0 wins, 1 wash-outs (draw),  7 losses]
(I haven't included bonus points, but I don't think they affect the final outcome)

NUFL2
1. Betty Crocker (Sydney) [3 wins, 1 loss + 2 Bonus points]
2. Factory Girls (Canberra) [3 wins, 1 loss + 1 Bonus point]
3*. Sara Lee (Sydney) [2 wins, 2 losses, 0 bonus points]
3*. VOS (Melbourne) [2 wins, 2 losses, 0 bonus points]
5. Sultry (Brisbane) [0 wins, 4 losses, - 3 bonus points]

*not sure which team came third since I don't have all the point differentials to calculate the tie-break (based on Jonathan's non-standard list for NUFL2). Head-to-head Sara Lee beat VOS.

Factory Girls were the most dominant team over the weekend and looked like they could have gone through unbeaten. They had a sizeable lead over Betty Crocker which they gave up to lose in sudden death (I didn't see it).

Sultry was screwed by none of their free agents playing NUFL 2.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on September 10, 2007, 11:55:16 PM
The real winner was australian frisbee. Playing for 100 minutes only to come down to sudden death 3 times in one weekend, couldnt have enjoyed it anymore.


Title: Re: NUFL
Post by: Jangles on October 01, 2007, 07:40:51 PM
NUFL and NTC Payments are getting down slowly we have come up with a system now that we believe is fair for all and not too complex. I am sorry for anyone who is severely out of pocket next year the payments will defenitely come through much quicker. As for a completion date i believe you should all expect to see invoices sometime this weekend. rough costs(dont quote me) for Both NUFLs is $200 and NTC was about $160 so if you havent paid that in travel costs you may need put some money aside.

cheers
Jangles


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