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Title: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 16, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
So looks like some people have started to register interest for this: http://www.afda.com/rego/showcompetition.php?competitionid=309

Also some big names have registered for the Masters division

I just wanted to poss a question about this: Should eligble masters players register for Open as well, or should they let the 'younger' people have a go?

What do y'all think?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on May 16, 2007, 04:21:11 AM
It depends on which division Australia want to have a better crack at.

I think the best players should be playing in the Dingos even if they are old enough for Masters.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 16, 2007, 10:36:06 AM
In my honest opinion I'm of the firm belief that high level competition should have nothing to do with "participation" or "letting others have a go" per se. The best players play on the best team (or their team of preference) and the "younger players" (obviously myself included) work their younger little asses off to have the right to say to the old savvy vets "you can't keep up old man go play masters".

I think it is one of the most unfortunate things about Australian ultimate - that even at a Nationals level which is meant to be high level competition, we still have clubs that are going with split X/Y development teams rather than A/B teams and I think it really highlights the lack of depth in Australian ultimate at club level, and well I'd hate to see that attitude transfer to the International level.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 16, 2007, 07:24:18 PM
I tend to agree with Chris there

But let me pose a more specific situation

Two players are of equal playing ability and there is no clear way to pick between the two.

But one of them is eligible to play masters and the other isn't - should they pick the non masters player and let the other play masters?

On the flip side, one person was solely put there name down to play Masters and another is down to play Open, Mixed and Masters. They don’t make the Open or Mixed Team. Again these two players are of equal value. Do they take the person who wanted to play Masters all along?

The main question I guess here is what impact does it have on a team that someone is playing on that team as there second/third option?

I agree also with you Chris that it is not the best reflection of how serious Nationals is taken that teams send split teams.

If Fakulti send two even squads as a form of development, therefore not doing there best to win nationals each year, what are they developing them for?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 16, 2007, 07:43:24 PM
Well I would argue that nationals is *not * the highest level of competition and has not been intended to be so. That as always been the purpose and level of play of NUFL and while it is certainly cooler to win nationals then NUFL, the fact of the matter is that NUFL is usually tougher. I think Fakulti's work on getting X/Y splits to 2nd and 3rd generates much better success for their club and Australian ultimate and increases the pool of players who can even compete at the higher lever.

Ruebs and Chris raise an interesting point about selections. I am pretty sure that the selectors will err on the side of experience and previous Worlds playing history over someone that is up and coming. Imagine an established former dingo player that has a bad training camp, plays average at a NUFL and then injures himself at the last NUFL. He will also certainly make it on to the *squad* (not team) for the next process anyway.

While some of the old guard (like scamby) are voluntarily stepping down to Masters, there are still a lot of others gunning for the open team. And while I don't agree with the automatic preference for worlds experience or for saying "I know he can play better" when the player blows at selection camps/NUFL, you have to take your best team, whether or not that includes your 70 year old grandma.

I think that the next Open and Mixed teams (I can't comment about the women) will have some different and new faces between the 30 men's players but that many old-hands will return.

If we really wanted too, we could put out the 2004 teams lists and start crossing out names to see how many spots there are to fill... I'll tend to make the conservative estimate that it will not be heaps of players, probably around 10, maybe up to 15 are in the mix.

I expect all Australian teams to improve their positions from last championships.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on May 17, 2007, 12:25:17 AM
haha hey boys

yeh being a new kid on the block i put my name down for the sake of throwing my name in the hat. I dont think i am ready for worlds yet but i should be in a years time. how ever it should be the players choice of what teams he wants to play for (if selected). If the old boys want to play masters let them play. as for the trouble of selection that is the responsiblity of the selectors. I think you will see a few of the younger boys come through this year and a phasing out of the older crew.

Also the whole taking the 2004 team and crossing out names. i aint a big fan been looked over many times before for athletics teams becuase i was in the previous years team. only to find out my times were consitently better than choosen runners. It does happen and you have to accept it but again doesnt hurt to select some of the younger less experienced guys **cough** Jangles **cough** in the training squad to help develope the sport. ::)

At that any ideas who the selectors will be?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 17, 2007, 01:11:40 AM
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Two players are of equal playing ability and there is no clear way to pick between the two. But one of them is eligible to play masters and the other isn't - should they pick the non masters player and let the other play masters?
OK in the rare case where this happens I'd probably argue that the individual eligible to play masters should play masters because it will result in a better Australian representation overall consider the Open team will be no worse off selecting the younger player and Master would arguably be better off with a fringe Open player playing for them.


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On the flip side, one person was solely put there name down to play Masters and another is down to play Open, Mixed and Masters. They don’t make the Open or Mixed Team. Again these two players are of equal value. Do they take the person who wanted to play Masters all along?
Flip a coin to decide.

Just because someone aspires to still play for the Open or Mixed team isn't a negative reflection on them when they are resigned to the fact that Masters is the more realistic option. If anything I think it is commendable that they are shooting for the Open and Mixed team and have Masters as a fall back.

I'm not really sure I subscribe to the ideal that people should just focus on Masters. I mean I'd like to think that if a 40 year old is capable and the best candidate for a spot on the Open or Mixed team then that is the team they should play on. Masters should really only be a consideration for them once they haven't made the Open or  Mixed teams. Though obviously with age comes wisdom and some of these savvy old vets still have enough marbles to realise that they have no chance of making the Open team therefore save everyone the administration work by not putting there name in the mix. 


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The main question I guess here is what impact does it have on a team that someone is playing on that team as there second/third option?
I don't think it is an issue when you are playing for your country.


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Well I would argue that nationals is *not * the highest level of competition and has not been intended to be so.
Well I once again think reflects the poor state of affairs in Australian Ultimate that our "National" competition is still about development. I know many others don't agree but I can't help but feel there really needs to be a push for making the focus of any Nationals event to be "high level competition", not just NUFL.


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Ruebs and Chris raise an interesting point about selections. I am pretty sure that the selectors will err on the side of experience and previous Worlds playing history over someone that is up and coming.
That makes sense to me, not just from an individual's experience perspective but also a team dynamics perspective. I 'd like to think that preference would go to those that have played together before - I mean having understanding and connections on any sporting field can turn average players into great teams and these things need to be considered. I mean if push came to shove and you had six players of equal abilty competing for one spot and they were from QLD, NSW, ACT, VIC, SA & WA you would argue that the player from NSW should be the players selected because they would likely have better understanding, connections and relationships with the bulk of the team (assuming that that like previous teams NSW is well represented).


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If we really wanted too, we could put out the 2004 teams lists and start crossing out names to see how many spots there are to fill... I'll tend to make the conservative estimate that it will not be heaps of players, probably around 10, maybe up to 15 are in the mix.
Here you go:

Men's Open 2004:
Tim Booth     
Owen Shepherd    
Jonathan Potts (c)    
John Greenfield    
Anthony Dowle    
Anthony "Sol" Solomon    
Mike Nield    
Sacha Vidler    
Matthew Dowle    
Ken Shepherd    
Charles Blumer    
Chris Warris (vc)    
Steve Campbell    
Jonathan Holmes    
Pete Gardner    
David O'Brien    
Roger Bralow    
Angus Keenan    
Lachlan Yates    
Piers Truter    
Tom Rogacki    

Mixed 2004:
Joel Pillar     
John Damiani    
Adam Mortimer (vc)    
Toby Vidler    
Joy Lee    
Tao Browne    
Jo McLellan    
Leanne King    
Lisi Jarrott    
Tamara Davis (vc)    
Kelly Kidman    
Sarah Crossie    
Andrew Craig    
Jeremy Hind    
Laina Hall    
Keah Molomby    
Abra Garfield    
Matthew Marcus (c)    
David Zuk    
Carlie Ryan    
Chris Stephens    
Lee Coady    


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As for the trouble of selection that is the responsiblity of the selectors. I think you will see a few of the younger boys come through this year and a phasing out of the older crew.
LOL I think that pretty much happens every time.

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Also the whole taking the 2004 team and crossing out names. i aint a big fan been looked over many times before for athletics teams becuase i was in the previous years team. only to find out my times were consitently better than choosen runners. It does happen and you have to accept it but again doesnt hurt to select some of the younger less experienced guys **cough** Jangles **cough** in the training squad to help develope the sport.
Well if I was to guess I'd imagine that when push comes to shove those that have delivered in the past will get preference over those that might deliver in the future. LOL and I mean if you were disappointed when you were looked off on track teams even when selectors had the aid of specific timed performances base selections on can you imagine how frustrating the experience will be for those looked off when the selection process is based on more subjective things.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 17, 2007, 09:26:10 AM
I pose the question of, if you were a selector, what would your team look like?  I have made a team myself in my off time and here is what it looks like:

Dingos -
Matt Dowle
Tom Rogacki
Anthony Dowle
Pete Gardner
Jonno Holmes
Chris Warris
Tim Lavis
Ken Shepard
Owen Shepard
Dan Rule (people say you read this, feel special to have made my list Danny boy)
John Liddicoat
Abra Garfield
Mike Nield
Johnny Mac
Joel Pillar
Billy Alexander
Jonathon Potts
Angus Keenan
2 x Sydney players (I don't know them that well but can say there are a few that could/would make it)
3 x Melbourne players (this is purely for Chilly players, sorry HoS, none of you were impressive enough other than the two mentioned already)
'Wildcard' = someone who steps up at the right time and earns it

I made a team of 24 considering that most American and Canadian teams have rosters of around 24, so I ask everyone to make their hypothetical team and compare to see what everyones thoughts are.  I have been told by Johnny mac that hte Dingos usually only take 22, but 24 seems good to me. 

If you look at this team, it is extremely skilled, talented, and fast.  You can split my team into two groups, Talls and Small-Quicks.  All of the people on the list are extremely talented throwers, fast, athletic, smart, and passionate!  I like the fact that if you put a line of Joel Pillar, Gack, Matt Dowle, Ant Dowle, Mike Nield, Jonno Holmes, and Pottsy, you have a whole line of extreme height; can you imagine trying to defend against that line?  Freaking sweet team, whoever gets on, they will represent Australia well and I would be proud!  Interested to see what you guys think and see who you would select, so lets see'em!




Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 17, 2007, 04:46:12 PM
Nah, Dan will just miss the cut for open and played mixed instead. Otherwise that's a pretty good squad. As for the 3 Melbourne players, I'd guess Lee Baker, Wheely, and either Freisey (if he's eligible) or Tao.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: matt.h on May 17, 2007, 06:31:47 PM
Afaik eligibility-wise anyone who is selected to play by the AFDA (appointed selectors) can represent Aus.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 17, 2007, 08:20:38 PM
I would add Bretts name to that list too

Maybe Gav and Tubby would be the other Sydney boys?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: tom_brennan on May 17, 2007, 09:17:24 PM
Chris

I think it is one of the most unfortunate things about Australian ultimate - that even at a Nationals level which is meant to be high level competition, we still have clubs that are going with split X/Y development teams rather than A/B teams and I think it really highlights the lack of depth in Australian ultimate at club level, and well I'd hate to see that attitude transfer to the International level.

I don't mean to be rude, but when was the last time you ran a club that took an A/B or X/X (even) teams to Nationals?

You're not exactly talking from a position of experience.

I've been involved with running six clubs that have taken more than one team to Nationals in the last ten years - and that doesn't include Fakulti this year when I was injured.  Of those, two were X/X, three were A/B and one was A/B/B.  I can tell you that from a player's perspective, the two years that we played X/X were more satisfying.  And interestingly enough, our final results at Nationals as a club overall were actually better.  Take 2002, when the two even Feral teams met in a semi that went to sudden death. The winning team then went on to meet a Chilly team in the Final that had not lost a game all season.  The game was not expected to be particularly close, and it wasn't.  From memory, Feral took half 10-2, and won 19-10, and the rookie players that were mostly playing their first nationals really stepped up.  Likewise with Fakulti last year, when it was a surprise that we even made the final.

When you end up running a club with enough players for two teams, you will find there are some good reasons (and some less good ones too) for splitting into two even teams. Here are a few:
  • B teams invariably lack leadership, which is provided by many of the A team players if you split
  • players who would be in a B team have to step up as they are marking/being marked by comparatively stronger players on the opposition
  • players who would be on the A team also have to step up for the same reason
  • more A team players have to take leadership roles as they are split over the two teams
  • both teams have a better chance of making Nationals
  • the B team players rave about the experience
  • training is more effective as you can play in the same teams as you're taking to Regionals/Nationals
  • selection is easier (in some ways)
  • there's no glory in winning with a stacked team, but there sure is for an underdog

In fact, the only good reason I can come up with for going A/B is that you presumably increase your chance of winning Nationals.  But historically there's no proof you can't still do just as well with even teams.  Who's to say that a Fakulti A team would have done better than 2nd this year or last?  Remember that last year Chilly lost to Fakulti P in the rounds, and came within a point of being knocked out in the pre-semi by Fakulti Q.

Personally, I think it was a pity for the development of ultimate in Victoria that after Chilly won Nationals in 2005, they didn't use that as an opportunity to split into two even teams. Their B team in 2006 was competitive (6th?), and they still would have had a crack at the title (perhaps two cracks!).  Instead, this year, Chilly B finished 14th and as a result Victoria will only have two guaranteed spots at Nationals next year.

Anyway, Chris, at least the way the results went at Nationals, you can say you beat one of the finalists :)

cheers


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Staples on May 18, 2007, 01:13:02 AM

In fact, the only good reason I can come up with for going A/B is that you presumably increase your chance of winning Nationals. 

This is a damn good reason.


Who's to say that a Fakulti A team would have done better than 2nd this year or last? 
cheers

Well we'll never know Tom. While I understand there are pro's and con's, I personally would have loved the opprtunity to see this match in the Nationals finals.

Well I would argue that nationals is *not * the highest level of competition and has not been intended to be so.

Personally, I am really tired of hearing this.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 18, 2007, 04:21:14 AM
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The main question I guess here is what impact does it have on a team that someone is playing on that team as there second/third option? I don't think it is an issue when you are playing for your country.

Actually, from what I have been told by several Mixed reps from the last squad, there were some players that couldn't let go of the fact that they didn't get selected for the Open or Women's team and that this was at times a problem. I suspect that as the level of competition to get on to the team rises, then this will become less and less of a problem.

I know a lot of people are championing the idea that Nationals ought to be the highest level of competition in Australia but the fact of the matter is that until the general standard of play rises to at least how the top ten teams played, then its never going to be. Chop out the newbs or get more competitive teams (effectively the same thing) It will come in time but it won't happen for a few years more.

Hey Brett, who is Billy Alexander? I'd also suggest that you have missed out Tim Booth (not a certainty for sure) and Wavey Dave O'Brien. I suspect it will be easier to select the men's open team then the boys who are going to make it on to the mixed team! Thats a whole other kettle of fish and one that will be much harder. But I agree on your open list more or less.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Staples on May 18, 2007, 04:55:54 AM

I know a lot of people are championing the idea that Nationals ought to be the highest level of competition in Australia but the fact of the matter is that until the general standard of play rises to at least how the top ten teams played, then its never going to be. Chop out the newbs or get more competitive teams (effectively the same thing) It will come in time but it won't happen for a few years more.

Hey Brett, who is Billy Alexander? I'd also suggest that you have missed out Tim Booth (not a certainty for sure) and Wavey Dave O'Brien. I suspect it will be easier to select the men's open team then the boys who are going to make it on to the mixed team! Thats a whole other kettle of fish and one that will be much harder. But I agree on your open list more or less.

We've had how many years of Nationals tradition? And after 2 NUFL's it's all changed? Perhaps I just don't get it, admitantly I have not played NUFL. But in my view they are completely different beasts and the existance of NUFL shouldn't necessarily relegate the National Championships to a second rate development event. This years NUFL is being cobbled together with fairly short notice, many good players will be there and I am sure the overall quality will be high, but is it really a more important, more meaningfull win than Nationals? Or is it really the true "development" event for high level players? I suppose it depends on who you ask. I'd be curious what Chilly thinks.

Billy is the bald bad ass that played for Sublime. He's from Canadia but we hope he will stay in Perth. Look out when we get him and JD on the field together!



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 18, 2007, 05:29:54 AM
Trying to stay on the original topic of this thread - I think that the team Brett post is a fairly good "framework" to the team. Obviously a lot will happen over the next 12 months - there may be injuries, some players may come to and leave the country (*cough*please don't go Brett*cough*).

That said I'd probably argue the that there are even a few people named in Brett's list that aren't "certainties" rather are "fairly likelies" though what I will be more interested to see is what Piers will do to your Brett next time he sees you and gets wind of the fact you looked him off for a spot on the Dingoes.

Also wouldn't it be a lot more interesting if we all started throwing some smack talk down about who'd make the Mixed team because that is where the dog fight is going to happen...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 18, 2007, 08:36:50 AM
Afaik eligibility-wise anyone who is selected to play by the AFDA (appointed selectors) can represent Aus.
I'm fairly sure there's some sort of eligibility rule somewhere. Not necessarily "have to be a citizen" but have to have lived in the country for a certain amount of time.

I probably should know this  :-\


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 18, 2007, 08:38:35 AM
Instead, this year, Chilly B finished 14th and as a result Victoria will only have two guaranteed spots at Nationals next year.
Heads Of State (7th) are Victorian as well. Plus don't forget SA and Tassie are in the South region so there's potentially 5 spots for Vic teams.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Frank on May 18, 2007, 10:07:57 AM

Billy is the bald bad ass that played for Sublime.



 :D :D :D
Bald bad ass...
That's sweet.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 18, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
I agree with matzuka and firmly believe that dan rule will make the dingoes!  If he doesn't then he isn't going to represent Australia because his mixed game sucks! haha!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 18, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
Meanwhile you're the exact opposite. I'm starting to learn the difference between "mixed throws" and "open throws" and most of the crap you pull off is definately in the first category.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 19, 2007, 12:09:18 AM
I personally actually be inclined to put Dan more in the "maybe/likely" category for Dingoes - but then again I probably don't have the best perspective to start naming names.

Who on these forums is actually trying out?

I personally haven't put my name down as yet, but I'm not really expecting to make the either open of mixed teams but will probably attend the training camps and obviously NUFL just due to the fact that they will be good opportunities for personal development and obviously good experiences.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 19, 2007, 12:41:21 AM
Thats exactly what i am doing chris, i know i have zero chance of making either of the teams but i am still going to attend the camps and NUFL's. 
As Piers said it is a great oppurtunity to play the best ultimate this country has to offer, and it is a great way to get good quick. which i need a severe dose of.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 19, 2007, 01:49:05 AM
I'm with ya Wood.... I mean what would these training camps be like if guys like you and me weren't being the cannon fodder that makes the good guys look good.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on May 19, 2007, 04:47:01 AM
everyone, get all the good players you know to register for NUFL and Worlds, asap


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 19, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
everyone, get all the good players you know to register for NUFL and Worlds, asap
Do you care to clarify the word "good"?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 19, 2007, 09:42:17 PM
I volunteer to be the benchmark. Anyone better than me should be playing NUFL.

Wait...that's way too many...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 20, 2007, 04:41:26 AM
chris the way we can handle the training camps is, the really awesome players may dominate us.  But as long as we get one good grab or one sweet break throw on them, then when they make the squad we can simply say "are you serious i skyed the shit out of him he isn't even that good"  haha.  victory is all ours my friend


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 20, 2007, 08:16:49 AM
I definitely think Wood and Chris should try out for Dingos/Barramundis.  You both have solid game and are threats as receivers!  As for Rule, he is definitely not a certainty, but has what I was looking for in a team, hence why I chose him.  No one else seems to have put a team up which i am waiting for. 

As for who on the forum is trying out, you two should as i say, OShep seems to have posted which he of course is trying out (and making it) and I feel a few others might, oh yeah and Reuban!  I am thinking of putting my name down, to be honest, but not sure I should for multiple reasons. 

As for Billy, he was one of 2 players on Sublime who were impressive at Nationals.  Primary handler for them, from Canada, played for Furious once or twice, older brother still plays for them as I recall.  Wears number 99 and was a cool guy!

Do you really think Mixed is where the dog fight begins?  A lot of guys like Dan Rule aren't going to play if they don't make open.  I have heard that from multiple people such as Abra.  Plus, the guys who barely miss out of Dingos and want to play mixed seem like they should be sweet.  And as for people purely trying out for mixed, there seem to be only a small number and they are either highly likelies or very unlikelies from what I saw.  People like Adam mortimer and Reuban Berg seem like highly likelies.  Anyways, I honestly don't know much.  I started playing when I got here and that was 3.5 years ago, so yeah.  Good Luck everyone and sign up for Worlds, if you are posting here, you are passionate enough to be there!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 20, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
When i signed up to this site a few nights ago, i just wanted it to talk smack and stir some people up.  But matzuka "f**k me" as if your not going to make the team.  Your like one of the best if not the best handler in Australia.  how can you even question whether you should try out, if i was you i would be booking my ticket for worlds right now.

i think pulling a jersey on for dingos or the mundies is unreal, and i would never turn down a green and gold jersey, no matter what category.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 20, 2007, 12:03:15 PM
chris the way we can handle the training camps is, the really awesome players may dominate us.  But as long as we get one good grab or one sweet break throw on them, then when they make the squad we can simply say "are you serious i skyed the shit out of him he isn't even that good"  haha.  victory is all ours my friend
You're implying that we can get "one" sweet grab or D over some of these guys. There in lies a problem. Nah, see we gotta be smart about this.

What we need to do is mark up on each other, say I mark up on you while you are on O and we let the play progress a bit down the field and then while we are in the stack I let you peal long for an easy score (maybe off a Matzuka huck) and you can parade around and I'll stand next to the man that Gak is marking then I will slyly yell so the sideline can here "oi Gak mate! I know you made the team in 04 and 05 all, but you gotta keep up with ya man mate! Wood has been scoring on you all day!" Then you can do the same for me, and then if we get some third parties to stand near some of the selectors and just have a loud conversation between themselves saying shit like "Wow man you know someone that has really impressed me at this training camp that Isherwood guy from Ballarat he dishing out some lesson to some of Australia best, they can't even keep within 20 metres of him."

It will be gold mate - pure gold!


A lot of guys like Dan Rule aren't going to play if they don't make open.  I have heard that from multiple people such as Abra.  Plus, the guys who barely miss out of Dingos and want to play mixed seem like they should be sweet.  And as for people purely trying out for mixed, there seem to be only a small number and they are either highly likelies or very unlikelies from what I saw.  People like Adam mortimer and Reuban Berg seem like highly likelies.  Anyways, I honestly don't know much.  I started playing when I got here and that was 3.5 years ago, so yeah.  Good Luck everyone and sign up for Worlds, if you are posting here, you are passionate enough to be there!
It's a shame that guys won't represent Australia in Mixed if they don't make open... Dan and Abra are the sort of guys that could make a massive impact in the Mixed level, though I'm sure both will have a fair crack at making the Open team anyway. Assuming you still in Australia (I really hope you are) would you play Mixed if you didn't make the Dingoes?

Do you think people that only put down Mixed will get preference over those that are trying for both?


i think pulling a jersey on for dingos or the mundies is unreal, and i would never turn down a green and gold jersey, no matter what category.
The women's have green and gold jersey's team are looking for players. All you'd need is the sex change because you already have a pussy attitude!

 ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 20, 2007, 07:17:00 PM
Well I am certainly trying out and I am one of those who have only selected the mixed team instead of both mixed/open.

This isn't because I see myself as a mixed specialist. And its not because of how I see myself in terms of ability. I do realistically think that if I continue to improve my game and focus and train well, then I would in the future be able to play for any Australian team for which I was eligible. However, I do recognise how other people see me and how that will impact on my chances for selection.

At the moment, there are dozens of players that have a head-start on me. They have played for better or more competitive teams and they have naturally had more time in the limelight and under intense game pressure, whether those teams have been the Dingos, Mundies, Fak, Chilly or etc. Even if I dominate at NUFL, mixed nats and the training camps, it is unlikely that I will be able to close that ground enough to get on to the Open team. But I think that the distance isn't too big to make it on to the mixed team. Of course, it will require me to perform well and play to my ability at these events and even then there will undoubtably be lots of other people in the mix. Also, for the time being, I'd prefer the mixed team over the open team because I suspect I would get a greater variety of roles and tasks on the mixed team over the open team. With mixed, you have less room for specialising into certain roles then a single sex team, so I think it would be better for me then playing my typical unflashy defensive runner like on deathstar, where I would run a fuck load to shut down my player and then on the rare occassion we got the disc, make boring cuts, catch the disc and have no one cut for me...dump, resume.

And I really hope that those people that don't want to play mixed, don't end up playing mixed. I think its fine to shoot for the open team and get on the mixed team, thats what I might be doing in future years but it sucks having bitter players on the team.

But we will see. I am looking forward to NUFL. I hope I get to play with a non-canberra team. It would be cool to play with all these people that I have lined up against in the past few years.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: mattdowle on May 20, 2007, 08:36:07 PM
Brett - you better put your name down for the Dingoes otherwise i'm going to slap you silly!!!!!

it's ok, i understand there might be a few things to consider before putting ones name down.

Matt


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 20, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
So Matt Dowle joins the ranks of us lowly ultitalkers...NICE!!!  It is good to see more and more people joining the group!

It seems people are starting to encourage the short, crazy-haired, wiley, obnoxious Hawaiian, no good can come from this!

I see myself putting my name down for the team, but then I look at the names and feel out of my league a fair bit.  But heck, that has never ever stopped me before  :).  I guess a big thing is the resentment I feel I might get if I did actually make it and was not even Australian, but has happened in the past with Seppo on mixed and didn't seem to be a problem i guess, who knows...I surely don't
Brett <---stupid

Wood, I have faith in you for Mixed with Tommy boy and Reubs and the rest of the group.  Don't sell yourself short Mate, if you think I am so freaking good, you must be amazing cause I recall looking up on the last game of nationals expecting to see the sun and disc, and instead seeing a menacing figure, snagging the disc above me before I even got the chance to jump! Yay wood!  And I am sure that was one of many skies you had over people that tournament, so have a little confidence, I believe you in (says in inspirational voice) hehehe!

Anyways, I see no one has posted on the World Ultimate Beach Championships and also see that a lot of you haven't even signed up with interest, what is with that?  I expected to see Wood and Tom and Reubs and a bunch of you studs, but obviously you are too cool for Beach!  You all want a chance to represent Australia, WUBC 2007 in Brazil is a meaningful tournament and I would love to see anyone of you on the team in Brazil, so seriously consider Beach Worlds because there will be real competition from the top teams of the world.  Well, I am going to lunch so PEACE!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: shoggy on May 21, 2007, 04:05:48 AM
hey brett,
i agree with matty on that one - sign up!

you'd take billy over JD? hmm..
to make the argument more interesting, do you wanna assign approx. O/D, handler/receiver roles to your team? for balance. just for fun...

oh, btw drule's name is down for mixed selection. make of that what you will.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 21, 2007, 08:03:23 AM
Hey Shoggy, not sure who you are but will try and clarify my squad. 

I did have one wildcard which could definitely go to JD, he is a very solid player and definitely worthy of Dingos, just thought I heard he prefers to play Mixed.  Pottsy and I hung out this weekend and he criticized my team a little, saying it was good but missing people to an extent.  He thought Chris Burwell, Piers, and JD could be on it, let alone some of hte Vets such as Tubby, Gav, and Timmy Booth.  As I said, I haven't been here that long nor playing very long but based it upon knowledge of players and who impressed me at Nationals.  I did leave 2 spots for unknown Sydney players and 3 for Melbourne, and a wildcard. 
The list below of who will play what position will deal with all people that are on my team and others that are in the competition to make it, so more than the 24.

Defense:
Brett Matzuka - Handler (this is just for Wood and Reuben, everyone else can laugh)
Abra Garfield - Handler
Chris Warrus - Handler
Dan Rule - Handler
John Liddacoat - Cutter
Jonathon Potts - Cutter
Tim Lavis - Cutter
Ken Shepard - Cutter
Tubby - Cutter
Gavin Moore- Cutter
Joel Pillar - Cutter
Lee Baker - Cutter
Gus Keenan - Cutter
Tao Browne - Cutter
jimmy tod-Hill - Cutter


Offense:
Billy Alexander - Handler
Owen Shepard - Handler
John McNaughton - Handler ( I know you would rather play Primary Wing, but oh well)
John Damiani - Handler
Chris Burwell - Handler
Pete Gardner - Cutter/Handler
Matt Dowle - Cutter
Ant Dowle - Cutter
Mike Nield - Cutter
Tom Rogacki - Cutter
Jonathon Holmes - Cutter
Piers Truter - Cutter

Looking over it, I feel a lot of places can be changed such as Johnny Mac from Handler to Cutter, Mike Nield from Offense to Defense, but that all depends on how people mesh and what people prefer.  I haven't played with most of htese people, so not sure what position they are best at or prefer.  I have only played decently with johnny mac, Pottsy and Piers.  So not sure what people prefer, but there you go for a list.  I tried to stack my offense with solid players who play really smart, conventional ultimate and stack it with height.  I would want my offense to be a machine that would score every time they have the disc.  As for D, I put leftovers and people who are riskier players.  I put the hardcore, aggro, Ferocious beast players, hungry for every chance to get the disc.  With that, I also put people who I don't know very well that I thought would make the team.  People like Abra and Chris have been defenders before and I believe they prefer Defense.  I would have to say I am fairly happy with my lines, but would have to really see people are camps and talk to more people and the players themselves to really get the lines concrete, but you guys can all tell me what you think and what you would change.  I am sure I have forgotten people, I added Piers, JD, Chris Burwell, Tao, Jimmy Tod-Hill, and to be pompous and humor you all, Myself.  This adds the total team to 27 which means 3 would be cut.  I would say that I would cut Tao and Piers and then would be hard to decide, probably myself as I never really planned to put myself on.  Though in reality, don't know how serious some people are, haven't heard if Chris Burwell is actually trying out and have heard that Chris Warris isn't completely serious with open and might prefer Masters or something, and not sure Jmac can afford it.  But there you go, there is my specific team.  Tell me what you think!!!







Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 21, 2007, 09:08:25 AM
Brett - you better put your name down for the Dingoes otherwise i'm going to slap you silly!!!!!
Brett don't pay any attention to these sorts of comments...

...because to be completely honest if you don't put your name down and hang around for the next 18 months being "slapped silly" by Matt will be the least of your worries after I get a hold of you, because I'll be slapping you with a closed fist and it will be to a point a little further than "silly".

...but I still wub you!

 :-*

I guess a big thing is the resentment I feel I might get if I did actually make it and was not even Australian.
I would have thought you would have been used to everyone not liking you.

At least if you made the Dingoes you could say to yourself that they only don't like you because you made the Dingoes and ignore the reality of they don't like you because they don't like you.... kidding... we all wub you...  :-*, plus if you have been in playing Ultimate in Australia for 4 years come Worlds that's like double the length of the average Australian Ultimate career - so you have done your time in the Australian Ultimate world, so when it comes to Ultimate - your Australian, but when it comes to anything else - I'm pretty sure no country would take ownership of you anyway.

 ;D

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Wood, I have faith in you for Mixed with Tommy boy and Reubs and the rest of the group.  Don't sell yourself short Mate, if you think I am so freaking good, you must be amazing cause I recall looking up on the last game of nationals expecting to see the sun and disc, and instead seeing a menacing figure, snagging the disc above me before I even got the chance to jump! Yay wood!  And I am sure that was one of many skies you had over people that tournament, so have a little confidence, I believe you in (says in inspirational voice) hehehe!
Aww... come on Brett - don't encourage Wood and make him feel like he can make team the old fashioned way (by being good) - I need him for my plan to work.  ;D. Kidding, go for it Wood - I'll just have to find myself some new partners in crime... where's Jangles and Wetnose...?


Pottsy and I hung out this weekend and he criticized my team a little, saying it was good but missing people to an extent.  He thought Chris Burwell, Piers, and JD could be on it, let alone some of hte Vets such as Tubby, Gav, and Timmy Booth.
Ahahaha - of course Pottsy is rooting for the vets! He has a vested interest in old school vets being considered...  ::). (I have a bad feeling I may have some extra sprints waiting for me on Tuesday because of these comments? )

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Looking over it, I feel a lot of places can be changed such as Johnny Mac from Handler to Cutter, Mike Nield from Offense to Defense, but that all depends on how people mesh and what people prefer.
I think the O line could probably use another cutter or two, especially if you feel a guy like Peirs won't make it. I'd be suggesting someone like Joel Pillar and I think he is more suited to O anyway and I also think that Pottsy despite the suggestion of being a receiver is probably more valuable to the team as an O handler - but then again this is the opinion of someone that can only claim to "know of" most of these players not necessarily have "seen" a lot of them play.

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Though in reality, don't know how serious some people are, haven't heard if Chris Burwell is actually trying out and have heard that Chris Warris isn't completely serious with open and might prefer Masters or something, and not sure Jmac can afford it.  But there you go, there is my specific team.  Tell me what you think!!!
I well I was running some laps with Chris "Buzz' Burwell last Tuesday and he is definitely trotting about and seeing if the old body will give him 18 more months.

So I get the impression that he is semi-serious, and will probably attempt to attend NUFL and will probably gauge it from there, but if I was a betting man I'd be betting that Buzz has got more fight to give and will be doing he best to be in fine form come WUGC.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 21, 2007, 11:39:07 AM
Hey bretty i have only played one nationals so far, so my opinion on all the players you listed are quite vague considering i don't know some of them.

Your first change is obviously switching owen shephard to the d team - considering he is the best d player in australia, maybe you and him should swap.

Secondly i am not so comfortable with your choice of todd-hill in the dingoes, for me i think there are few players who can fill his position much better.  I would definatly put al from firestorm before him.

Also piers should really be playing aswell, no doubts.  He has game, experience, awesome vibe and if he made himself injury free would rip it up at worlds for sure.

otherwise i am quite happy that everyone on that team is awesome.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 21, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
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The women's have green and gold jersey's team are looking for players. All you'd need is the sex change because you already have a pussy attitude!

So the smack starts does it chris, here we gooo!

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What we need to do is mark up on each other, say I mark up on you while you are on O and we let the play progress a bit down the field and then while we are in the stack I let you peal long for an easy score

hahaha, as if i need your help to score on your slow ass.  it's quite easy to score on you really considering you do have the disc reading ability of about an 8th grader, get to the library mate and get yourself a new library card.

 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 21, 2007, 09:23:14 PM
Your first change is obviously switching owen shephard to the d team - considering he is the best d player in australia, maybe you and him should swap.
I'd tend agree about the Owen being on the D team, but would suggest Pottsy move to O instead of Brett. But I mean at the end of the day I think almost all the players on the Dingoes should be capable of comfortably slipping into a D line. 


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Secondly i am not so comfortable with your choice of todd-hill in the dingoes, for me i think there are few players who can fill his position much better.  I would definatly put al from firestorm before him.
They are very different players, and whilst I can't really speak for Jimmy, because I haven't seen him play that much of him I'd like to think that Al's name will be thrown around even if it's not for Dingoes, but definitely for Mundis. Like I mean there are guys like Dan Rule, Burwell, and JD that for me don't exhibit skills or a level of game any greater than Al, and well I think he has just as much chance as the guys mentioned above of making the Dingoes, let alone the Mundis.



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hahaha, as if i need your help to score on your slow ass.  it's quite easy to score on you really considering you do have the disc reading ability of about an 8th grader, get to the library mate and get yourself a new library card.
Mate, your smack talk is like your Ultimate skills - lame! I clearly read at University standard - and not any standard - UQ Standard! Which we all know is shit hot!

"as if i need your help to score on your slow ass"

Those a very brave words coming from a man that wears KNEEPADS! I'd give you 10 metres head start and would be comfortable in that fact that your team would still look you off!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 21, 2007, 10:09:33 PM
It's all well and good picking the best team in theory - but who is actually planning on going to Canada?

I understand that Gak isn't planning on playing

And neither is Johnny Mac

And as far as I know Dan Rule won't play mixed - but he's not posting on here to confirm/deny that so who knows  ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 21, 2007, 10:25:21 PM
I'm surprised at how adamant he is being about that. You'd think that representing your country would be a huge honour, no matter what team* you're on.


*For the purposes of this conversation, Juniors don't count.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 21, 2007, 11:22:50 PM
In terms of picking the team, I agree that it is just theory, but it is also somewhat in practice too as I put 27 on my last list with the idea of potential people dropping.  I heard this past weekend that Gak wasn't going to play so there is one spot that can be changed, say JD takes his spot.  Also, in terms of jimmy tod-hill, I would tend to agree that I don't believe he is quite there to be on the team, but others seem to really think he is and so I will give him a chance.  I think he is an awesome guy and a great player, got some real aggression, heart, athleticism, and determination, but just doesn't seem to have the throws.  His backhand seems good and fine, but his forehand is really troubling to me, how come no one on Thong or Barefoot has confronted him and told him he looks like a robotic arm from a car manufactoring plant when he throws a flick and that it needs to be better?  I love you jimmy, and if you do fix your flick, than I would definitely put you on my team, but that is my crux on the issue.

As for Dan, I can understand his view, but at the same time, would have to lean towards agreeing with Big T that representing your country is a real honour, and discounting Juniors seems fair enough.  Anywho, I am done here, farewell. 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on May 22, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Jimmy has had major wrist surgeries and issues. bone necrosis (ie a zombie wrist), plus more. probably explains at least part of his action...

here is the 2004 Dingoes team:
Jonathan Potts (c)    OR      NSW
Sacha Vidler       OR      NSW
Matthew Dowle       OR      NSW
Pete Gardner       OR      NSW
Angus Keenan       OR      NSW
Piers Truter       OR      NSW
Tom Rogacki       OR      Vic
John Greenfield    OH      NSW
Ken Shepherd       OH      NSW
Steve Campbell       OH      Vic
David O'Brien       OH      NSW
Anthony Dowle       DR      NSW
Anthony "Sol" Solomon    DR      Qld
Mike Neild       DR      Qld
Jonathan Holmes    DR      NSW
Roger Bralow       DR      Vic
Tim Booth        DH      NSW
Owen Shepherd       DH      NSW
Charles Blumer       DH      NSW
Chris Warris (vc)    DH      WA
Lachlan Yates       DH      NSW

OR = offense receiver 
etc

check out all the history at http://www.afda.com/rep_teams.php ...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 22, 2007, 12:20:52 AM
It seems we are all forgetting about the OS based players, like Sol, Roger Bralow and Lachlan Yates for Candada

I'm sure they could make the team if they were interested


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 22, 2007, 04:09:38 AM
Thanks OShep for the previous team list with positions.  Obviously some of mine are off and could be altered, but still have a general idea of who I would pick and how it goes together.  Seeing as we have OShep and Matty Dowle reading and posting on this forum with other top players, I pose the question of what do you past Dingos think on this issue? 

I am curious to know who you guys would pick if you were to pick a team for 2008 at the moment, though I understand if you don't as per ethical grounds since you are highly likely to be on the team, and even be selectors for the team, so your opinions could cause resentment;  However, I would like to think everyone dealing with this is mature and realistic and therefore your opinions would be valued and purely academic.  So if you are up to it, enlighten us with your grounds for picking, who you would pick, or anything of the sort!

Pottsy mentioned the OS players and said that Roger Bralow could still make the team, not sure about the other two, but figured they wouldn't be coming back.  I know very little on the topic other than that Roger plays for Fire of London and played for Buggers '04.  Didn't Sol play for Clapham or Fire of London also?  Well, from what I understand, there are roughly 9-10 replacements spots up for grabs. 
Sacha Vidler (playing Masters)
Tom Rogacki (not playing)
John Greenfield (playing Masters)
Steve Campbell (playing Masters)
Sol (OS)
Charlie Blumer
Roger Bralow (OS)
Lachlan Yates (OS)
Tim Booth (hasn't signed up for interest)

As for Jimmy, man that sucks.  He is a trooper, I only knew about his shin and leg problems and how he has had surgery for that.  Well, taking that into account, he seems to be doing pretty well, though I think his flick can still improve.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 22, 2007, 06:59:03 PM
I know that both Roger and Sol were based overseas last worlds and still played.
And yes Sol plays for Clapham, and they both played for Bugs 04.

Roger is one of the best players I have ever seen - played one of the best games I have seen against Fakulti in 04.

Begs the question, who are the best Aus players of all time? Maybe a topic for a new post??


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 22, 2007, 08:36:49 PM
So I cross checked Brett's list with those who have already registered:

Registered:
Billy Alexander
Lee Baker
John Damiani
Ant Dowle
Pete Gardner
Abra Garfield
Tim Lavis
Gavin Moore
Mike Nield
Joel Pillar
Jonathon Potts
Dan Rule
Ken Shepard
Owen Shepard
Piers Truter
Chris Warris

Not Registered:
Tao Browne
Chris Burwell
Matt Dowle
Jonathon Holmes
Gus Keenan
John Liddacoat
Brett Matzuka
John McNaughton
Tom Rogacki
Mark Taylor
Jimmy Tod-Hill

I know it's still only early days, but that's a lot of top quality players who haven't registered interest yet!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on May 23, 2007, 01:37:53 AM
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"as if i need your help to score on your slow ass"

haha i think it is my turn to comment... well i dont think either of you have a chance against me. I want a rematch for that doolio crown i was robbed!!!

Chris sure you can always sky me if you want just prepare to be burnt is all i say.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 23, 2007, 02:19:31 AM
Chris sure you can always sky me if you want just prepare to be burnt is all i say.
Pfft, I'm tall and gangerly! So if you start burning me long I'm just going to trip you and claim I'm just a uncoordinated tall gangerly receiver that doesn't have total control over my limbs. Works every time...

That said, I'm not too worried about you burning me anywhere because people don't throw it to people that can't read or catch. I mean even Wood reads better than you, and that is bloody saying something, because I think I'm being generous in even saying that Wood can actually read at any level...

I'm sorry Wood and Jangles, but what I got that you guys don't can't be found in a Library or bought on eBay - it's called "skill".

 ;D

I'll see both you pussies at NUFL and I will be sure mark up on you (because your team mates probably won't let you mark up on me given the obvious mismatch in my favour). Then I'm going to give you the "Chris Cunliffe ABC's" of playing Ultimate, obviously explaining what I'm talking about with many examples and lessons throughout the match, and by the end of it you both being going "oh now I know what he was talking about when he was talking about skill".

:D

PS - and yes Jangle I know you will probably be on my team, but I'm still going to D you anyway (apologies to all Firestorm players in advance...)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 23, 2007, 02:34:28 AM
I doubt we'll be seeing Jimmy on the field in the near future, if at all.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on May 23, 2007, 02:51:16 AM
what's up with Jimmy?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 23, 2007, 03:32:55 AM
Woah, What is wrong with Jimmy?  I hope all is well. 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 23, 2007, 05:09:05 AM
Not sure if its all confirmed or not, but his ankle is pretty much done after the last 2 years he put it through.
He played through alot these past couple of years, through pure f**king desire for the game.

Turns out he's got arthritis in his ankle as a result (as bad as that of a 50 year old), and his doc has recommended that he give up Ultimate for good, for further risk of damage.

I haven't heard from him since he sent an e-mail to the Barefoot guys after Nationals, so I'm not sure what the exact situation is as of now. Hopefully the news has gotten better but it doesn't seem likely. I don't think he's playing or commissioning the current NSL season cos of it and I have no doubt he would be playing if he was close to being in the clear.

 :-\


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on May 23, 2007, 06:35:36 AM
That is tough news to hear about Jimmy. Mate if you are reading I'm thinking about you up here. There is plenty of room in our sport for coaching and non playing leadership if that is the way it has to be.


I’ve been reading this thread for a while and I thought I would get involved with the speculation.

So I wrote down the team that I was confident in and it turned out to be a bunch of older and more established players and a few new blokes. Rather than go through a list of old names, I thought I would write down the guys who weren't dingoes last time who I would be happy to take on the team if I had to pick it tonight.

I'm sure there are plenty of new players who I haven't seen, and I’m very excited to check out the growth at the NUFL events this year. These are the players who I like and would take who weren't there last time.

Gav
Joel
Tuby
JD
Buzz
Matzuka
Cheeseburger (John Mac)
Lee Baker


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 23, 2007, 07:23:00 AM
That is really a tough one for Jimmy.  If you are reading this mate, I am keeping you in my prayers and hope things turn out for the better.  But as Mike said, there is plenty of room for you to still be a major player in the sport, whether through coaching or other forms of development.

As for Mike, it is nice to see a former Dingo give his team!  Good to see more and more people joining the forums and taking part!  Good on ya!

I notice there is no Abra on that list Mike, interesting.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on May 23, 2007, 08:12:49 AM
There may well be a place for Abra on the team, however I need to see more first. The players I listed are the ones who I would be happy to name without seeing anything further.

There are quite a few guys who i'm looking forward to seeing more of. Bring on the NUFL hey.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: mattdowle on May 23, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
Haven't really thought who would be on the team much, but from a totally biased position i would consider Glover, Tex and Abra. There is no underestimating speed in this sport. Yeah, there are some overseas guys that would definitely be considered (Roger, Lachie, Sol). Roger, is another speed machine and just a champion. There are other on the list that you had Brett that I would take off (but i choose not to name them because i'm a softy).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on May 23, 2007, 09:27:22 PM
I sympathise with your softness Hollywood. This selection caper is too much like hard work, i'm going to stick to playing and see where that ends up.



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 23, 2007, 10:34:45 PM
Thats pretty fucking lame for Jimmy, fucking hell.

And I know Tim Booth would be keen for Worlds, he is just a little bit of a net 'tard and will just register late.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Drag on May 24, 2007, 12:36:46 AM
Dont injuries just f***ing suck. especially the ones that end playing. Prayers be with you if you are reading this.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: moroney on May 24, 2007, 12:47:30 AM
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Mate, your smack talk is like your Ultimate skills - lame! I clearly read at University standard - and not any standard - UQ Standard! Which we all know is shit hot!

"as if i need your help to score on your slow ass"

Those a very brave words coming from a man that wears KNEEPADS! I'd give you 10 metres head start and would be comfortable in that fact that your team would still look you off!


Wood he absolutely smashed you! Didn't even need to start pulling out the colourblind fatboy card.

I'm suprised Pissy didn't mention you when he told of dan's stupidest. Your first throw of the game was the rankest thing I have ever seen from a Ballarat player, and that's rank considering you play with pissy AND sizzle.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on May 26, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
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I'm sorry Wood and Jangles, but what I got that you guys don't can't be found in a Library or bought on eBay - it's called "skill".

 

I'll see both you pussies at NUFL and I will be sure mark up on you (because your team mates probably won't let you mark up on me given the obvious mismatch in my favour). Then I'm going to give you the "Chris Cunliffe ABC's" of playing Ultimate, obviously explaining what I'm talking about with many examples and lessons throughout the match, and by the end of it you both being going "oh now I know what he was talking about when he was talking about skill".

You keep referring to this thing called skill, to which i am obviously unaware of.  I was just sitting here doing some research chris when i all of a sudden had a great idea, nothing speaks louder than stats.  So here i was thinking where will i get some stats that are quite comparable and appropriate in proving that i am a much better player then what you are.

Then it hit me chris, lets look at some worlds stats.  I clicked on booty and checked your stats out, you achieved a mere 11 stats for 10 games of ultimate buddy, now anyone can correct me if i am wrong here, but if someone who has this thing called skill can only receive the disc once per game in the endzone, then in my eyes this just screams "CHUMP".   I attained quite a decent amount of stats (three times the amount you did), we both play in similar roles and the fact of the matter is, that your team almost always got to 17 points.  My team only made it to 7 points or lower on a number of occasions, but i still managed to kick your ass three fold! but i don't have SKILL

Not only did you get a mere 11 stats, but also you only caught goals! Not one single assist.  Which means that not only are you a  useless receiver but you can't even make up for your shitness by throwing some goals now and then.  Also you achieved donuts on four different occasions, come on i mean you were the tallest guy on your team.  oh sorry i forgot "you have skill".

However after saying all this i will make sure that i do play against you at NUFL and that i hope some of this amazing skill that you have over jangles and myself rubs off, because your obviously oozing with the stuff.

My advice to you is get some throws, get a read and then get some stats you donut achieving chump.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: moroney on May 26, 2007, 11:33:37 PM
ooohhhhh shiiit.  :o

WOODLEY!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 27, 2007, 04:16:04 AM
Response made in the Chris/Wood/Jangles smack talk thread:

http://www.ultitalk.com/index.php/topic,118.0.html


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 29, 2007, 05:39:26 AM
Okay, now that we have moved on from the smack talk its time to bring this topic back into action.

The afda home page details the next exciting phase of WUGC crap. Check it out at afda.com

Here is the current policy on eligibility

Quote
Am I eligible to play for Australia?

http://wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/art1.htm

At the moment, the current eligibility rules say (Article 106), not very clearly, that you must be either:

An Australian citizen, or
Have lived in Australia continuously for 5 years immediately prior to the tournament (so from August 2003-August 2008), or
Have lived in Australia continuously for 2 years immediately prior to the tournament (so from August 2006-August 2008) – only two of these category players are allowed on the team.
In the past, exceptions have been granted, and we believe that the eligibility rules are under review for 2008 to better reflect modern lifestyles.

If you are in Australia for a significant proportion of the preparation from now until Worlds, then it’s best at this stage to assume that you will be eligible, but be prepared for a possible knock-back.

On the balance of things, this probably means that our dear Bretty would have a pretty good chance even considering the stricter current policy but Billy Alexander and Hussey will have to be exceptions or allowed under a newer policy. Who knows?

So, the timeline is also set for the NUFL team composition. Uhhh, who knows what crazy teams might come together in these next weeks.

Where is Barefoot Joe? Joe, you need to whip your team mates into shape and sign up for the damn process or there will only be one sydney team at NUFL. *laughs*

Any comments on the policies?

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on May 29, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
whose idea was it to have NUFL 2 so close to uni games. i still want to play however this has made it a big chore to get too.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 29, 2007, 08:16:59 PM
"Any player who is not accepted into NUFL in a core roster or as a free agent is effectively out of contention for the Men’s, Women’s and Mixed teams for Worlds 2008."

Anyone know what this means for OS based players? i.e. Sol, Bralow.

How did it work for them previously?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 29, 2007, 10:07:35 PM
whose idea was it to have NUFL 2 so close to uni games. i still want to play however this has made it a big chore to get too.
I'm also not stoked with the timing, but I think I won't be going to NUFL 2 anyway, but an injury, or even a slight niggle, could hamper a Uni Games campaign considering it is only 6 days after NUFL 2, but I guess they aren't expecting many players from within the Uni Games competition to be trying out for the WUGC.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on May 29, 2007, 11:32:21 PM
Yeh i think it is a nightmare they have on their hands with scheduling. unigames, NUFL and Mixed Nats all in the space of just over a month i think they are gonna need to plan the years calendar in advance soon.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on May 30, 2007, 03:49:28 AM
Well NUFL is obviously still finding it's place in Australian Ultimate, but it looks like it is going to be a hectic September.

Does anyone know if there is a reason why NUFL 1 isn't earlier this year? I know NUFL was sorta organised on the fly this year, but you'd think that slipping in 3 NUFL events between Nationals (April) and Mixed Nats (October?) should be fairly comfortable.

Also I'd like to think that final NUFL event could normally be wrapped up some time in early August to cater for the fact that I'm sure many people would like late August and September to cater for Mixed considering AUGs in September and Mixed Nats is traditionally in October.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 30, 2007, 04:26:31 AM
Quote
"Any player who is not accepted into NUFL in a core roster or as a free agent is effectively out of contention for the Men’s, Women’s and Mixed teams for Worlds 2008."

Anyone know what this means for OS based players? i.e. Sol, Bralow.

How did it work for them previously?

Hey Ruebs. I think they really mean that any player that *would* be selected as a free agent or core roster player will still be in contention. For example, Matt Dowle and Joel Pillar are not playing NUFL but will both (I'm 97% sure) be included in the 2nd phase of selections. I'm sure both will automatically make the Open selection squad and then they will start doing the same things as everyone else and competing for their spots.

As for Sol and Bralow, in the past, they have just been selected because their awesome. I don't know if that will continue but players are expected to be in Australia for the training in the year leading up for WUGC, so I presume they will have walk on spots into the selection *squad* in the 2nd phase but that they ought to be in Australia for the lead up.

But it ultimately all comes down to the selectors decision. There is nothing else really?

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on May 30, 2007, 06:36:44 AM
G'day Ruebes and Tom

I reckon that line is probably included as more of a comment on the calibre that players need to be to get onto a National team, not a rule. Australian players like those mentioned above who have played at this level before but will not be home for the NUFL this year could still be selected i expect. They will just have to come home for a selection camp or something at the start of next year. I think an exception is possible for overseas players of a high quality on the grounds that selectors would not have to see as much of them to make a choice about them for a team.

That being said i expect this could be a risky choice as players who are in the NUFL will have much opportunity to prove that ability when compared to someone from overseas who only has a single camp to impress.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on May 30, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
Where is Barefoot Joe? Joe, you need to whip your team mates into shape and sign up for the damn process or there will only be one sydney team at NUFL. *laughs*

The e-mail went out last night.
We should have a fairly decent sized squad for NUFL, although we might hook into a few free agents too.
Good news is that Jimmy seems to be involved in things, although to what level (e.g. playing), I'm unsure of.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 30, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
Aha!

I've just checked the NUFL rego page and Matt Dowle *is* going to play! This is a change from what he said pre-nationals. He won't play September through, ie NUFL 2.

Well, at the moment, considering the regulations for NUFL teams, the five teams mentioned earlier as likely are all likely to happen (Fak, Chilly, HoS, Barefoot and Qld) Canberra might be the 6th team...but its certainly not clearly fulfilling all the criteria, one such being the "Having 2 players widely viewed as potential dingos"

What do you guys think? Are there players in Canberra that are in the mix for the Dingos. To be honest, I'd only expect one of our players to be of that ability, if only the selectors had the foresight to pick him and that is James Ley. But thats only one player that might be 'widely considered' as a possible dingo.

What do the non-Canberrans think about that? And what do you think about including a Canberra team?

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: moroney on May 30, 2007, 09:26:38 PM
Quote
To be honest, I'd only expect one of our players to be of that ability, if only the selectors had the foresight to pick him and that is James Ley

How has chumpcott been playing? Is he a shot for barramundi's?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on May 30, 2007, 10:14:17 PM
Why not Newcaste?  They definitely had 2 to 3 guys who had a great shot at Dingos (Chris warris, Jonno Holmes, and Tim Lavis)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on May 30, 2007, 10:38:15 PM
You could combine Canberra and Newcastle and perhaps Wollongong into one team?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: shoggy on May 30, 2007, 10:49:08 PM
"Any player who is not accepted into NUFL in a core roster or as a free agent is effectively out of contention for the Men’s, Women’s and Mixed teams for Worlds 2008."
Anyone know what this means for OS based players? i.e. Sol, Bralow.
How did it work for them previously?

where's that quote from ruebs? i still haven't seen anything more than a proposal of selection procedure, not a finalised selection policy.

if i recall correctly last worlds had 3 compulsory selection camps, 2 in syd and one in canberra at the AIS. the overseas based players were required to attend a minimum of 2 of the 3 compulsory camps in order to be considered. they duly flew home and attended. not sure which events o/s players must attend this year though. i'm kinda curious how can any big names not attend nufl and be granted spots if nufl is the main selection point this year. not that i would deny matt (is slated to play one nufl, but not yet registered for worlds selection!!) and joel, they are good players, but you need consitency for all players. i know someone else, a rookie with a very strong case for selection in either women's or mixed, in a similar position, who can't attend nufls but wants selection. its a dangerous precedence without a selection policy.

ps. hey tom, thanks for the look-off...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on May 30, 2007, 11:19:21 PM
It would be excellent to get a sixth team into the competition, assuming (Bris 1, Vic 2, Syd 2).

Currently there isn't a sixth core that complies to both the minimum of 10 players and the minimum of 2 widely considered Dingo contenders. I would think Canberra, Perth and Newcastle are the budding core venues however something will have to change to get one of those areas up. If not there is going to be a flood of free agents hey?

There are 33 names up on the rego that aren't in one of the 5 assumed core groups listed above.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: moroney on May 31, 2007, 02:26:54 AM
Quote
You could combine Canberra and Newcastle and perhaps Wollongong into one team?

Hilarious pissy.... But why did Deathstar pack it in? I realise it was around for world clubs but it worked through NUFL yes?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: MattA on May 31, 2007, 07:24:49 PM
I agree Mike,
6 teams would be great, it would mean a minimum of 5 games for a w/e round robin (and more games in pools + crossovers + semis/finals etc).

more games at NUFL level can only be a good thing.

given the talent pools in Newc, Canb, Perth it is easy to see them combining to form a strong team, but the requirement to have a "core" locality is going to hamstring that idea.

cheers
mattA


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on May 31, 2007, 08:44:44 PM
My reference to selectors picking players for the *dingos* shouldn't be read as the selections for the Mundis. So, Morones, Chumpcott is certainly a chance at the mixed team and Adam, I thought you preferred mixed. I certainly think there are heaps of Canberra lads that have a shot at the Mundis and I hope some of us do make it but I really only think James Ley has the ability, inclination and standing in the frisbee community to make the Dingos

re: Brett
Newwie certainly do have a couple of Dingo players....but practically no one else that *wants* to play. You really can't hope to field a team if you can't field a *line*.

I certainly don't think that there will be a sixth team. And I also think that the 'dingos' criteria *isn't* really what would hold canberra back from doing well in NUFL. The difficulty is that circumstance has managed to distract most of the leader types in Canberra from actually stepping up to organise team trainings and structure, as such. The right people are all distracted by holidays, work commitments or the mixed season. We certainly expect to have the team structure there for NUFL next year but that is next year, not now.

The leadership and structure for Deathstar is also not there.

Quote
In order to provide an even competition the free agents will be distributed among all of the core teams rather than being allocated to a single team.

The above is from the team bidding document. People in charge of NUFL have recognised that it was an additional burden for deathstar to training together and that in the end, the results of that training weren't hugely impressive. They are trying to avoid placing that burden on another team.

Deathstar was for world clubs but if it had been a raging success I'm sure people would have tried to continue it. It was a great team to play on and people aren't adverse to playing with Canberra, Newwie, Gong again but it will never be under the deathstar name. Ultimately however, while filled with players of amazing ability, deathstar never quite performed better than the sum of its parts, which a slew of other NUFL/Clubs teams did.

Anywhoo, maybe for the next Worlds Clubs campaign.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on May 31, 2007, 10:39:37 PM
where's that quote from ruebs? i still haven't seen anything more than a proposal of selection procedure, not a finalised selection policy.

That quote is from the AFDA homepage: http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=439


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on June 02, 2007, 09:35:56 PM
Looks like Sublime are making a strong bid for being the 6th NUFL team.

They've now got 14 on their list now, hope they make it in but I also hope AFDA will help cover their airfares slighty, so that the burden isn't placed on individual players.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on June 03, 2007, 09:06:57 AM
Looks like Sublime are making a strong bid for being the 6th NUFL team.

They've now got 14 on their list now, hope they make it in but I also hope AFDA will help cover their airfares slighty, so that the burden isn't placed on individual players.

-Tom

The NUFL core teams have been voted for and announced by the AFDA board.

http://afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=442

Sublime has done extremely well to get the numbers for their team, and the final NUFL spot for the Open Division. Well done!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on June 03, 2007, 07:30:42 PM
Any word on whether we will have to incur the increased cost?? I hope not my radiator just cracked so i am looking at a hard hols of working to pay for everything.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on June 03, 2007, 08:10:01 PM
I imagine it'll still be all cost-shared.
But no confirmation yet.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on June 06, 2007, 06:12:31 PM
Mike has posted a great Worlds article on AFDA: http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=443

Inspirational stuff

Nice work Mike  :)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on June 06, 2007, 07:52:41 PM
That was a great read, Mike.
Awesome stuff.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on June 06, 2007, 08:12:50 PM
Cheers boys

It's going to be an excellent year and a bit of frisbee for all the Aussie teams, and for everyone who is part of the support group and training squads.

Keep building the excitement.   


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on June 06, 2007, 08:47:20 PM
Keep working you mean!! i can see myself digging an early grave for this game


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on June 08, 2007, 12:49:49 AM
Hey Jangles, you are doing a good job.  Just remember there are others in QLD Ultimate here to help and we need to keep supporting each other!  You can always come to me, John, Mike, Pottsy, etc. for help if you ever need it.  We are all hear for each other!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on June 08, 2007, 12:59:27 AM
no it is more ill starve myself to pay for a tournie. Anyway i am going to try and fix my own car to save some cash. oh well i hope i can make it too the training camp.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: disc_faerie on June 18, 2007, 08:09:40 AM
any comments on the ladies you'd have with southern-cross tattoos in vancouver?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on June 18, 2007, 06:46:23 PM
Depends on which team, either mixed or women's and whether or not I get to play *laughs*

I long to play with Joy again. Its been years since I've been on a team with her (2004 actually) And Hussey as well, met her finally at nationals this year and she is quite the charming lady with those high release back-hand hucks. I also really liked the 'this is not a box' theme of their nats team, just a little bit absurdist.

I suspect that the Newwie rookie talent of Katie B and Jane A will have a good chance to make it on to one of the teams, despite only playing for 6+ months. They have a remarkable natural talent (They are ex-Australian Netballers I believe) and seem to be pretty fun

I hope that some of the upcoming stars coming out of the juniors age bracket will also play well and get a run.

I suspect that the women's team might end up stealing my favourite players however. Curse them and their possibly being coached by Tom Brennan-ness!

-Tom

ps: Oh, you'd be ok to play with right Ash? :P


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on June 20, 2007, 10:05:48 AM
having looked at the WUGC2008 site, http://wugc2008.com/ , there isn't much up yet... but here is a pretty detailed bid document. looks like the Aussies will have a HQ nextdoor to the Finns and Irish.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: shoggy on June 20, 2007, 07:52:15 PM
having looked at the WUGC2008 site, http://wugc2008.com/ , there isn't much up yet... but here is a pretty detailed bid document. looks like the Aussies will have a HQ nextdoor to the Finns and Irish.

more importantly, they've got the aussies right next to the beer garden!! ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on July 10, 2007, 11:56:10 PM
is there a spot for a water/towel boy on the team?? i think that would be awesome especially if you dont have to wake up and play the next day


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on July 11, 2007, 12:09:29 AM
There was mention of "Support staff" roles in Piers post on AFDA a while back:

Quote
4.2 Team Support Crew
We are also seeking registration of interest for team selectors, team coaches and squad managers. Many of these positions will involve remuneration of some kind. To register your interest in being a part of the support staff, please send an email to Jonathan Potts, AFDA CEO. This is not a call for formal applications, just a chance for us to identify gaps early and plan the application process, so please let us know if you are at all interested.

I am keen to go and help out even if I am not playing  :D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on July 11, 2007, 02:38:36 AM
Maybe we should arrange some sort of Barmy Army style cheersquad?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on July 11, 2007, 02:58:59 AM
i just wanted to run on during timeouts carrying the water bottles!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on July 11, 2007, 08:37:50 AM
i just wanted to run on during timeouts carrying the water bottles!!
LOL you could run out with a limp or hobble and a strapped ankle or something so the crowd watching thinks that you would have been on the team but got injured rather than thinking you are just the water bitch...  ::)

I reckon I'd head over to support the team, especially if my brother manages to make the Juniors team. So I'd be happy to be a support crew dude.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on July 11, 2007, 09:31:59 AM
Check out thunder08.com (http://www.thunder08.com)

Only 387 days to go.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on July 17, 2007, 02:24:16 AM
For those interested, particularly prospective Australian representative players, my AFDA endorsed trip to Vancouver was a success.

I was able to perform a field inspection of the venue for Worlds 2008. You may be surprised at the results.

See the report (including photos, turf sampling and map correlation) here: http://thinkulti.blogspot.com/

cheers,
Owen


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on August 12, 2007, 11:50:20 PM
Canadian Ultimate Championships are on now - the finals are being played today.

Seedings, and links to results, are here:
http://www.canadianultimate.com/cuc/2007/RESULTS/

For most divisions, the winning team will represent Canada at Worlds 2008.

From what I can tell, Team Fisher Price appears to have won the Mixed...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on August 13, 2007, 12:05:50 AM
it appears Vancouver won in Open (Furious George), Women (Traffic) and Mixed (Team Fisher Price) at the Canadian Ultimate Championships...

Some discussion at
http://www.ultitalk.com/index.php?topic=157.0

So these are the teams that the Aussies will face next year.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: thebozzman on August 14, 2007, 07:55:40 AM
Think any of those teams would love to come out and play Bathurst ;)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: joely on August 26, 2007, 01:42:59 PM
So...

Did anyone really impress at NUFL1, perhaps any new strong contenders for the teams?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: woodley#53 on August 26, 2007, 07:37:24 PM
the biggest suprsie stand outs for heads of state where brett sweet as middleton and maxy wheeler, both played incredibly sick.  the usual folk like oshep, chris (boo boo) stephens, and our dingo pick ups in hobbit and tim booth all played there usual awesome standard!
 players who kicked our ass the most would have to be gav moore, johnno holmes, abra and mike nield!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: wetnose on August 26, 2007, 08:35:26 PM
we had a pickup in robbie andrews that kicked arse. we werent sure what to expect from him and then his first touch in our first game against barefoot was a perfect 3/4 field forehand with people on the sideline quietly saying to each other "ok, all he needs to do is dump it to buzz and more out of there." he played really well the whole weekend which was awesome for us. hes a big tall 16yo kid with awesome throws, we certainly liked our draft pick ups!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on September 05, 2007, 02:19:41 AM
for all those wondering what is happening with NTC payments bare with me. We are being jerked around by the bank and are still trying to get access to the bank account. however i plan on finalising the spreadsheets tonight so that we can pay some people who are asking for money and chase people who probably arent that keen to pay.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on September 13, 2007, 07:56:11 AM
Does anyone know where you go to deposit the $100 and where you go to fill in the World Application? 

I have no idea and have just requested to subscribe to [email protected], so any help would be cool.

PEACE


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 13, 2007, 08:06:43 AM
Brett,
just forwarded you the relevant emails


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on September 13, 2007, 10:03:28 AM
Thanks a lot Rachel, that was really FAST!!!

 ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 03, 2007, 11:45:06 PM
I think I deposited the $100 a few weeks back but I have no idea what this "Application Form for Worlds" is or where it is located? Can anyone point me in the right direction - apparently the deadline to have it in is Oct 5th.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 04, 2007, 07:00:00 AM
<start rant>
The link to the application form was sent to all players registered for worlds and also to aus-worlds on the 30th August. If you didn't get either you need to make sure that you have the correct email address in the afda database and also that you are subscribed to aus-worlds. Chris, I have forwarded the original email to your email address in the afda database. If you don't get it you can always check the archives of the aus-worlds yahoogroup.

If you need to check whether your email address is up to date in the AFDA database then go to http://afda.com (http://afda.com), go to "Membership" -> "Edit My Details". If you are not already logged in you will need to log in with your AFDA number and password. If you don't know your password there is http://www.afda.com/passwordforgotten.php (http://www.afda.com/passwordforgotten.php), this page also allows you to update your email address should you both not know your password and also have the wrong email address recorded. If you want to change your password to something you'll remember you can do so here http://www.afda.com/passwordedit.php  (http://www.afda.com/passwordedit.php)

If your address is correct in the afda database and you're not getting the emails then you should be checking your spam folder to see whether they have ended up in there.

While I can see the benefit of ultitalk cutting down emails, the users on this forum should be very clear that it is not an official distribution mechanism for information regarding worlds and you need to make sure you keep yourself informed by signing up to aus-worlds.
</end rant>

And yes before you say it Tiger, I'm an angry woman :)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 05, 2007, 04:21:43 AM
Cheers for forwarding me those emails. My email is correct in the AFDA database I'm assuming that the email that contained the application stuff was filtered into my Junk Mail. I have since signed up to the aus-worlds yahoo group - and by looking at the members join dates I was very late in getting on that list... :P - I just read through all the old messages so I think I'm pretty much up to speed now.

+ Cheers Rachel - for being an awesome chick and babying two of the most immature guys on this forum (Myself & Brett) through the application process - and yes I'm aware that there are many juniors on these forums but I think we can all be honest and acknowledge the fact that me and Brett are mummy's boys and need people to hold our hands through complicated processes.

 ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 05, 2007, 05:55:03 AM
my pleasure  :-\ (I think)

Must be a Queensland thing...  :P


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on October 05, 2007, 10:44:06 AM
I think we can all be honest and acknowledge the fact that me and Brett are mummy's boys and need people to hold our hands through complicated processes.

So that's why Robbie fits in so well at Firestorm.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tiger on October 08, 2007, 02:14:08 AM
Rachel, you are one hell of an angry -

Oh. You said that already. And she wonders why I'm scared of her - although the fact that a mere ten minutes after Brett posts a question Rachel answers it makes it clear to me why she won administrator of the year.

Though no surprise really.

After the mixed nationals party Brett here couldn't even administrate himself out of bed.

T.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 08, 2007, 03:37:10 AM
...its not that brett couldn't administrate himself out of bed, its that he really really didn't want to.

I like to think there is a difference  ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on October 08, 2007, 07:23:47 AM
The WUGC Squad will be announced next week!!!

Who's cuisine will reign supreme???

Any one tipping any dark horses to make the cut?

Any big names to miss out?

Now is your chance to make another bold prediction Johnny Mac  :D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on October 08, 2007, 09:32:42 AM
I'm fairly sure I'm not going to make it.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 08, 2007, 09:36:04 AM
How many make the 'squad'?  

On another topic, who has impressed everyone with their play these past few months?  

I would say Wood has been stepping up and solidifying his game, and Wazza has stepped up to be a serious threat on the field!  Pottsy has definitely been playing better and better each time he has stepped on the field.  Johnny Mac, minus one uni games semi-final, is still one of the best throwers in the nation, competing with recent Mixed Champion JD 'the enforcer' whose arm can only throw perfection in disc form.  Chris Cunliffe has definitely developed the triple threat with throws, Defense, and long strikes.  Dan rule can still outplay 99% of Australia's offensive handlers, and without any knees!  Tom Watson has joined Chris is developing the whole package!  Tom Walcott has earned his spot as a 'big man.'  My boy Sebb has also shown the old boys he has got some new tricks!  Adam Mortimer is playing the best ultimate I have seen him play.  Reubs is a machine no matter where you put him!  Cupcake and Tex are both showing everyone that the shorter boys can play some ball!  Al Don and James Larkin are putting Queensland on the map again!  Piers truter may actively try to injure himself, but the kid has still got game!  Tats and Tim Lavis have the height, throws, and speed to make any defender show some respect.  Only saw him at Halibut, but Huy vu is looking like a champion when he is on the pitch.  

I have only been playing, and in the country, a few years, but these guys have all recently impressed me personally, and I am not even considering the Big Name players who are sure to make the cut (Dowles, Shepherds, Gardner, Abra Garfield, Gavin Moore, Gus guy, Mike Nield, etc.)

I can only speak about who I have seen playing a decent amount recently, if you have seen anyone who is definitely impressive and inspirational, let it be known!

Australian ultimate is looking incredible and I am very confident in saying that whoever makes the Australian teams for Vancouver, you will definitely be coming home with some bling!  Keep up the good work everyone! The future is bright for the Green and Gold!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on October 08, 2007, 07:46:26 PM
Jangles doesnt even get a mention  :'( oh well doesnt suprise me much.

i do agree with pretty much all those chumps brett mentioned. Especially Chumpcott i think i saw him get off the ground twice at uni games.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on October 08, 2007, 07:50:08 PM
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The WUGC Squad will be announced next week!!!

Who's cuisine will reign supreme???

Any one tipping any dark horses to make the cut?

Any big names to miss out?

Now is your chance to make another bold prediction Johnny Mac 

Haha i suppose i better sort through the deposits first. Damn people who cant do things on time!!!! I think the squad will be extremely strong no matter who makes the cut so if you miss out you will be one of about 50 so dont fret.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 08, 2007, 11:04:04 PM
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Especially Chumpcott i think i saw him get off the ground twice at uni games.

yeah, its amazing what happens when he actually jumps!

I think between the open, women and mixed squads there will be roughly 40-45 boys and 40-45 girls and that will get cut down again next year (?) to the last roughly 30 boys and 30 girls that will make up the open, mixed and women teams.

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 08, 2007, 11:13:08 PM
I don't know much, but it seems like the Open team would take roughly 24-25 and the mixed team would take around 11-12 boys, so it seems that overall, 35-37 boys overall will make a team.  What does everyone else think?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 09, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
I personally think that squad sizes any less than 50 boys and 45 girls is too small (assuming that there will be roughly 35 boys selected and 30 girls for actual teams).

In regards to actual team size breakdown, I'd expect that there'd be around 22-23 for the open/womens teams then probably 12-13 boys and 9-10 girls. That said I don't know if selectors will be factoring things like attempting to rest key players during the tournament for more key games or if they a going to have extras on teams to factor for injuries or if they will be taking more of a minimalist attitude where they'd rather take smaller teams but obviously the teams would be stronger if you consider the weaker couple of players (the last players selected for each team) that would have made the bigger open squad would now be playing for the mixed team which would greatly strengthen the mixed team considering they'd pick up a couple of open and womens players as well as not having 5 - 6 of the weaker players of each sex that might have played otherwise.

I personally normally prefer playing on smaller but stronger teams, but it also depends on the structure of the tournament, and obviously when playing at a Worlds level the difference between the 15th best player and the 20th is a lot smaller as opposed to maybe selecting teams for Nationals or a similar tournament. It would be very interesting to hear the thoughts of some the selectors and influential parties on these sorts of things.

As for who will make the squad, well I haven't been playing long enough to really know enough of the wider Ultimate community to make an informed judgment, but if I was to "guess" who would make it from QLD I'd be expecting John Mac, Pottsy, Piers, Mike Nield, Al Don and Brett (though his name doesn't seems to be on the AFDA list) all to make it, and I'd say all of them have a fair crack at making a team as well. I'm not really expecting anyone else from QLD make a team (myself included) but it would be awesome if a couple of the other QLD boys (myself included) manage to get into the squad so we can join in the training because I imagine that those training sessions alone would be invaluable towards developing the skills of those players in attendance.

Anyway it should be interesting.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: wetnose on October 10, 2007, 12:03:26 AM
Jangles doesnt even get a mention  :'( oh well doesnt suprise me much.

Didn't really suprise anyone else either! lol. just kidding, love u jangles!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 10, 2007, 12:07:37 AM
I have a vague recollection of there being around 20-21 players on the most recent worlds teams and I could check right now....but I can't be bothered.

I've chatted in bits and pieces with hobbit and greenie about generic selection crap (obviously its been 'don't ask, don't tell' about individuals) and one of the interesting and true things they have said is that its going to be easiest to select the open/women's team than the mixed team. There are heaps and heaps more ppl in contention for the mixed spots and they are also far less obvious than the stars that will make it on to the open/womens teams.

Thats a pretty good list of the Qlders Chris. You should make it to the next cut as well. Its impossible to know what factors are on the minds of the selectors and its unlikely that any of us will have as wide appreciation of the player base as they will. I'm not certain but it seems like there is a decent amount of information sharing going on between the selectors during the tournaments we're all playing and they seem to mention one another from time to time, so I think they'll have a pretty full picture of the player base.

I am really interested to see what they do with the Women's selections, partially because I know less about the player base and the thinking of the selectors. I guess I've a lot of loyalties to many of the younger crop of players and I'm hoping they get on those teams. We'll see...

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 10, 2007, 03:34:36 AM
I believe they took 21 players in '04 Tom, but I think a sligthly larger team is in order.  As I understand, Matt Dowle and Sacha Vidler got injured on the pre-tour, and they were left slightly short handed.  Looking over top American and Canadian rosters, they take around 25 +/- 1.  I have talked to pottsy slightly about it, but I think he agrees a few more than last time are in order.  If they take 25 on open and 12 for mixed, does that mean out of the 40 person squad, only 3 people don't make a team?  Is there a definitive size for the squad, or does it depend upon the depth of the players? 

I have heard it is around 40-45, but is this a fact or just what we 'ultitalkers' think it is?  Anyways, I wish everyone luck and back those I mentioned as 'impressive' in a previous post to make the cut, but who really knows (I guess OShep does, hehehe).  Have a good one everyone, PEACE 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 14, 2007, 06:15:20 PM
When is this squad being picked? I don't know why but I think someone mentioned to me that it was on the 15th of October (today) is that correct?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JdR on October 14, 2007, 06:37:52 PM
Squad announcement should happen this week (hopefully today) on afda.com.  As you can imagine, there's plenty of finicking to make sure the list is correct, etc.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 15, 2007, 08:17:57 AM
I just checked with Hob (because I was surprised that the list wasn't out as of 10:00pm on the 15th) and he said to be patient and that it would come out tomorrow. I'd say another day of anxious waiting but apparently those that haven't made it have been called by the selectors and told already. I'm still really keen to see who else has made the squads...

Bigger squad hey? Well, I guess I'm all for it, as it will probably improve my chances of selection greatly, being a cusp player. But its a lot of players. We will almost need injuries to thin the ranks out a little. And its hard to imagine that the cusp players will be able to cover for sacha or Matt being injuried. It partially hurt the team I hear because they were both designated huckers and so the burden fell harder on the remaining huckers.

I guess squad size is going to depend on the depth of the players. I'm eagerly awaiting news...


-Tom

ps: edited to add comments about squad size


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on October 15, 2007, 09:49:58 AM
Squad announced (with 25 minutes to spare!)...

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Hello

The selectors for the 2008 World Ultimate Championships are pleased to
announced the Squad from which the Open, Womens and Mixed teams for
the 2008 World Ultimate Championships in Vancouver will be selected.
The Squad has been approved by the AFDA Board.

These Squad members will attend Training Camps in Canberra (at the
AIS) and Sydney early in 2008. The campaign calendar can be found at
http://www.afda.com/nationalteams/ -> calendar

We would like to thank everyone who tried out for the Squad - the
selection process was very competitive. We also wish to thank everyone
who has helped with the campaign so far, including the organisers of
the first National Training Camp and
NUFLs.

The Squad is:

Women
Jane Altschwager
Lorna Barr
Katie Bradstock
Lauren Brown
Megan Campbell
Rebecca Carman
Sarah Crossie
Tamara Davis
Shavawn Donoghue
Elizabeth Drummond
Liz Edye
Luisa Fearnside
Nicole Footer
Megan Gamble
Mel Gangemi
Rachel Grindlay
Laina Hall
Clare Hussey
Melinda Jackson
Lisi Jarrott
Leanne King
Tania King
Belinda Kinneally
Joy Lee
Sophie Lyon
Isobel MacAulay
Ash Martens
Cath Matthews
Jo McClellan
Rebecca McKinlay
Gaby Melo
Keah Molomby
Debbie Ng
Kristen Nott
Kylie O'Brien
Helen Osmond
Karen Parker
Michelle Phillips
Julia Powles
Carlie Ryan
Vickie Saye
Vivien Stettner
Lucy Stevenson
Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman
Andrea Wang
Sarah Wentworth
Diana Worman

Men
Billy Alexander
Lee Baker
Mike Baker
Sebastian Barr
Rueben Berg
Peter Blakeley
Tim Booth
Chris Cunliffe
John Damiani
Tim Delane
Paul Denyer
Alistair Don
Anthony Dowle
Matthew Dowle
Matthew Faulkner
Chris Freise
Peter Gardner
Abra Garfield
Andrew Glover
Peter Hemphill
Jonathan Holmes
Mark Isherwood
Stephen Johnson
Angus Keenan
Tim Lavis
John Liddicoat
Peter Liddicoat
Brett Matzuka
John McNaughton
Brett Middleton
Gavin Moore
Andy Moroney
Adam Mortimer
Michael Neild
David O'Brien
Joel Pillar
Jonathan Potts
Daniel Rule
Ken Shepherd
Owen Shepherd
Warwick Shepherd
Chris Stephens
Jonathan Tatham
Mark Taylor
Piers Truter
Huy Vu
Thomas Walcott
Chris Warris
Thomas Watson
Steve Wealands
Max Wheeler
James Yorston

Regards,
Open selectors: Chris Warris, John Greenfield, Owen Shepherd
Womens selectors: Liz Edye, Tom Brennan, Lisa McGinnigle
Mixed selectors: Nikki Shires, Andrew Pennington


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on October 15, 2007, 05:19:48 PM
Oh baby. How sharp is this 'selection camp' in Canberra going to be?

That is a great list of players, i'm already thinking about the desperate 1 on 1 contests that will be going on all weekend as players stake their claim.

I am pumped!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JdR on October 15, 2007, 06:03:13 PM
Who's going to do the State-by-State breakdown for us?

Should we start a separate WUGC2008 Selection thread?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on October 15, 2007, 06:29:28 PM
I think we need a club by club breakdown too

Go HoS


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 15, 2007, 07:42:19 PM
Here is the Women's breakdown.

State is based on where they are currently based.
Club is based on who they played with during the Nationals 2007 season (even if they didn't play Nats but played regionals).

NSW   22
VIC   10
ACT   7
Overseas   3
TAS   3
QLD   1
WA   1
   
Wildcard   10
fACTory Girls   6
Southside   6
Sugar Magnolias   5
Honey   4
Team Box   4
Didn't play   3
BUSH   2
Ishtar   2
No, No, Nos   2
Primal   2
Wollongong   1


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2007, 07:47:06 PM
I think the men's squad is a bit more diverse and evenly spread than the womens. Firestorm/QLD got 7 of the guys slots.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 15, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
Mens breakdown, worked out as per women.
I don't know the men as well so this is based SOLELY on Nats 2007 rosters even if the players are associated with a particular club (hence discrepancy between Chris's figure for Firestorm and mine).

NSW   17
VIC   13
QLD   7
ACT   6
WA   4
OS   3
SA   1
TAS (?)   1

Fakulti   10
Heads of State   10
Barefoot   5
Fyshwick United   5
Didn't play   4
Firestorm   4
I-Beam   4
Sublime   4
Chilly   3
Karma   2
Wollongong   1

Anyway enough wasted work time so far today!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on October 15, 2007, 09:13:03 PM
While Rachel was doing that I went the more advanced method...

NSW (19)
Peter Blakeley (Fakulti)
Tim Booth (Heads Of State)
Anthony Dowle (Fakulti)
Matthew Dowle (Fakulti)
Matthew Faulkner (Fakulti)
Peter Gardner (Fakulti)
Abra Garfield (Barefoot)
Andrew Glover (-)
Jonathan Holmes (Sublime)
Angus Keenan (Barefoot)
Tim Lavis (Chilly)
Peter Liddicoat (Fakulti)
Gavin Moore (Barefoot)
Ken Shepherd (Fakulti)
Warwick Shepherd (Fakulti)
Jonathan Tatham (Sublime)
Mark Taylor (Barefoot)
Chris Warris (Heads Of State)
James Yorston (Fakulti)

ACT (5)
Peter Hemphill (Firestorm)
Adam Mortimer (Barefoot)
Thomas Walcott (Sublime)
Thomas Watson (Barefoot)
Max Wheeler (Heads Of State)

VIC (12)
Lee Baker (Chilly)
Sebastian Barr (Heads Of State)
Rueben Berg (Heads Of State)
Chris Freise (Chilly)
Mark Isherwood (Heads Of State)
Stephen Johnson (Heads Of State)
John Liddicoat (Chilly)
Andy Moroney (Heads Of State)
Daniel Rule (Heads Of State)
Owen Shepherd (Heads Of State)
Chris Stephens (Heads Of State)
Steve Wealands (Chilly)

NT (1)
Mike Baker (-)

QLD (7)
Chris Cunliffe (Firestorm)
Alistair Don (Firestorm)
Brett Matzuka (Firestorm)
John McNaughton (Firestorm)
Michael Neild (Firestorm)
Jonathan Potts (Firestorm)
Piers Truter (Firestorm)

WA (4)
Billy Alexander (Sublime)
John Damiani (Sublime)
Tim Delane (Sublime)
Paul Denyer (Sublime)

SA (3)
Brett Middleton (Heads Of State)
Joel Pillar (-)
Huy Vu (Sublime)

Overseas (1)
David O'Brien (-)


Broken down by state of current residence (AFAIK), and NUFL club in brackets.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: moroney on October 15, 2007, 09:37:16 PM
That Mens squad is fucking stacked! The women's looks hell skilled too. I'm pumped to the shiz niz right now even though I'm on the chump end of that team! As Mike mentioned, it will be sweet to watch the battles that ensue. Good to see that HOS' poaching of 2 selectors paid dividends! yayah!

Has there been any official ballpark figure of Open and Mixed squads? 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2007, 10:40:03 PM
The upcoming training camp should be awesome, especially seeing that it will be at the AIS.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on October 15, 2007, 11:49:34 PM
Good to see that HOS' poaching of 2 selectors paid dividends! yayah!

The plan worked a treat!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on October 16, 2007, 12:43:40 AM
hehe i can coupe with not making that squad. i must say the selectors have done an excellent job with feedback and stuff. still not sure wether i will put in for a support role for the team. would be fun to go to a worlds and not play.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: wetnose on October 16, 2007, 02:31:07 AM
hehe i can coupe with not making that squad.

Everyone else can "coupe" (?) as well!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on October 16, 2007, 03:18:32 AM
Yeah Chris you are dead right about the Australian Institute of Sport venue.

Last time it was such a memorable and significant place to launch the process of building the Australian teams from. It made me, and i think lots of people feel a real sense of legitimacy about our sport, our teams and our goals.

I'm remembering and visualising at the same time, it is great.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 16, 2007, 08:29:51 PM
I was more looking forward to going to the AIS because there will be lots of hot AIS honeys training and strutting there stuff - lots of eye candy. I mean I'm sure the facilities will be good too...

:D

Kidding - I got to go there back in highschool for a week long soccer training camp - it was awesome! That's why I was actually really excited to see that we get to train there. Though I was mainly looking forward to eating there - they had that awesome cafeteria with all the health food that still tasted awesome which beats the hell out of my cooking, which isn't really cooking as much as it is microwaving... :P. 

But yeah - I'm really looking forward to the training camp now. Does anyone know if we are actually going to stay at the AIS or just train there during the day?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on October 16, 2007, 11:26:47 PM
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I was more looking forward to going to the AIS because there will be lots of hot AIS honeys training and strutting there stuff - lots of eye candy. I mean I'm sure the facilities will be good too...

All talk!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 17, 2007, 06:49:31 AM
To focus on the lads again

Tim Booth         Owen Shepherd   
Jonathan Potts   John Greenfield   
Anthony Dowle    Anthony "Sol" Solomon   
Mike Nield          Sacha Vidler   
Matthew Dowle    Ken Shepherd   
Charles Blumer    Chris Warris
Steve Campbell    Jonathan Holmes   
Pete Gardner    David O'Brien   
Roger Bralow    Angus Keenan   
Lachlan Yates    Piers Truter   
Tom Rogacki    Joel Pillar     
John Damiani    Adam Mortimer   
Toby Vidler    Tao Browne   
Andrew Craig    Jeremy Hind       
Abra Garfield    Matthew Marcus   
David Zuk       Chris Stephens   
Lee Coady

Thats all 33 of the '04 chumps

Of those the next list of players are still in the mix to be the '08 chumps
Tim Booth         Owen Shepherd   
Jonathan Potts   Anthony Dowle       
Mike Nield           Joel Pillar
Matthew Dowle    Ken Shepherd   
Chris Warris      Jonathan Holmes   
Pete Gardner    David O'Brien   
Angus Keenan     Piers Truter
John Damiani    Adam Mortimer   
Abra Garfield        Chris Stephens   

Thats 18 kiddies plus the mystery Gak factor (I reckon that at any time before the plane leaves for the pre-tournament tour that the Gak says he wants in, he will get in and rightly so. I think he's still a dark horse option.) All of those players have been playing very well (except for Joely, who hasn't been playing at all) and I expect them all to make either open or mixed.

Now, if the reports of the slightly increased squad sizes are true, we are looking at a replacement rate from last worlds of probably just over %50. Thankfully there is plenty of quality (and some riff-raff such as myself) to replace those who have 'passed on'. That leaves 18 spaces to be picked up.

One thing I have noticed about the squad list is the relative lack of handlers. Perhaps people have put down different positions in their selection application to what I expect but it does seem like there is an abundance of skinny ppl that can run. (Obviously my category) Of course, there are heaps of ppl that could be doing either, like Tim Lavis or Joely, who can both throw and catch well enough to not have to be hidden amongst the recievers like most of us.

Anyway, the whole announcement is a bit of an anti-climax....nothing happens now until January, when everyone comes down to Canberra for a AIS chill-out session. Should be sweet. until then I'm going to go back to my regular training regime. Yes, thats right, you're just jealous coz I talk to hot babes on the internet all day...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on October 17, 2007, 07:10:27 AM
I'm confused Tom

I count 10 handlers and 8 cutters in your list above. When you mention the lack of handlers are you talking about the other 30 odd players that are in the squad but aren't listed above?

I count 9 more when i go down the rest of the list. To me it looks like there are about 20 handler types in the list of about 50. We must have different categories hey?


It is going to be a long wait until January hey. Lots of time for some to run and others to eat chicken.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 17, 2007, 07:24:44 AM
Yeah, its all too complex. I was referring to the wider squad, not just the old skool kids. People like boothy might be an example of differences in the list. He handled for deathstar but I think I've had conversations with him about him wanting to cut instead. I guess it all comes down to what ppl have been putting as their preferences...

Maybe I just like to do anything that will make it sound like I have the odds stacked against me :)

As for eating chicken? The results are still out. Perhaps if I can combine a revolutionary package that integrates Matt Dowle's dirty bird habits and your running regime, I might be able to run like you and throw like the dowle come Jan....

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Northern Mike on October 17, 2007, 08:06:27 AM
Great plan!

Not much wrong with a little odds stacking also, very Aussie way to go about it.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: joely on October 17, 2007, 08:32:54 AM
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All of those players have been playing very well (except for Joely, who hasn't been playing at all) and I expect them all to make either open or mixed.

To correct you slighty there, Tom, I picked up with Fire of London for the competitive season over here. I used the picture of me skying that guy (at worlds with deathstar) as my CV :).

I played Tour 3, Nationals (both 2nd place to Clapham) and European Clubs (11th or something equally disappointing, after a really close and awesome game against the Skogs from Sweden).

A couple of weeks ago I started my fitness routine to be ready for the January camps. Tae Kwon Do and Jiu Jitsu to toughen the body, Cross Country Running and Cycling for base fitness, and of course tons of Ultimate with the local club EMO and University team the Leicester Jesters (helped them to the highest placed university team from the Midlands in a tourney on the weekend after being seeded 11th :)).

I'm playing the Porro Open in Barcelona in a couple weeks and have a bunch of Uni tourneys (plus midlands league) over the next few months.

So far from inactive. You better believe I'll be ready come January. It's great that the list is so strong because everyone knows they're gonnna have to earn their spot, and work damn hard, which can only make these teams stronger. It's going to be awesome.

Yeah ULTIMATE!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on October 17, 2007, 10:25:52 AM
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It is going to be a long wait until January hey. Lots of time for some to run and others to eat chicken.
So that's were you get your super speed and jump from! Here I was employing Pottsy high volumes of liquid carbs diet (particularly on Friday and Saturday nights). I'll have to speak with my nutritionist (aka my mum) to arrange a more training friendly diet.

On a more serious note - does anyone have the inside word on what this first trainign camp will consist of? Like will it be like the other NTC or will it be more focused on fitness and conditioning? team bonding? Or will it simply be selectors chance to refine the teams a little more?

I mean I have to think that at least the men's open team is pretty much picked aside from 5 or 6 spots... the mixed team is where I imagine all the tough decisions will be made. 



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 17, 2007, 10:40:24 AM
We come full circle, eh?  Chris says the open team is virtually picked...why not post your open team as of now?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 17, 2007, 10:50:44 PM
To clarify Joely, I didn't mean you weren't playing at all, just that you weren't playing in Oz and so I can't actually tell how well you are playing if I can't see you. But its good to know what you've been up to anyway. You'll have to tell me all about the euro scene when you come back, I'm thinking of being over there mid-2009 (long ways off indeed)

Yes Bretty, we have indeed come full circle...I was certainly thinking about posting my "easy choices for the teams" list but was having trouble after the first few. Its going to be tough to guess what the picks for the open and then the mixed squads are going to be like because it will in part depend on the mindset of the selectors. Of course, they are going to pick the 'best' team but that could be a variety of teams. A team with as many of the old hands as possible? A team with a sizeable chunk of the up and coming players? A team of almost all the usual suspects but with one or two 'wildcard' players, unexpected picks who have never truly had a chance to turn up the awesome? A really mobile team? I really tall team? (The last too options would probably be the most unbalanced...)

And the same list of options is available for the mixed team but with the added confusion of the mystery girl factor. You aren't directly competiting for a position on that team with the girls but their selections will effect team balance. What if they already have two female D handlers, does that only leave room for one or two male D handlers instead of three? I suspect that players on the mixed team will have to be less specialists and more jack of all trades, as there is less flexiblity with team picks.

And for Chris: Well Mikey would know for sure but I got the impression from others that there was more off-field stuff, like physical testing. And that they would start using ultistats! Huzzah for stat whores!



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 17, 2007, 10:58:39 PM
Going over my previous team on page 1, I think I would be willing to make a few shifts in my team after NUFL and getting to know more of the players.  Definitely would have a few people to change/add.   


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 28, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
...and the opponents are...

Representing the United States at the World Ultimate and Guts Championshps in Vancouver, will be:
Women: Fury   San Francisco, CA
Masters: DoG   Boston, MA
Open:  game currently tied at 5's between Johnny Bravo (Denver, CO) and Sockeye (Seattle, WA)
Mixed: Slow White (Boston, MA) v. Shazam returns (Seattle, WA)

I am quite confident that Shazam will win considering they met in pool play and Shazam took it 15-9, let alone acquired one loss all season and it was to Brass Monkey. 

Bravo is currently up on Sockeye 6-5.
Bravo goes up a break 7-5 and Sockeye quickly scores to make it 7-6 Bravo.
Bravo takes half 8-6

Ok, it is 2:45 am and hitting refresh all night is not getting me the kicks that I desire, so might head to bed.  But everyone should check the site:
OPEN:
http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=124&id=3907
MIXED:
http://www.upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=124&id=3908


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 28, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
Shazam wins as predicted
Sockeye takes the open.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on October 28, 2007, 10:13:46 PM
I've watched some of the ultivillage clips, damn it'd be sweet to have been there and watched all those games. Shazam hey? Interesting, I'll have to go check them out.

I was amazed that Furious George bought it so hard on day one, going three-nil down in their pool. Crazy tough comp, will have to go and watch UPA some year, make a holiday out of it...

Guess all the teams can start doing a little bit of research as to how to beat those teams at least :)

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 29, 2007, 12:27:14 AM
Shazam have a few ex-Sockeye, Dave Bestock from last year's team.  Hard run, and mix of Hard Man and zone.

Sockeye is the same old team from years past.  From what I have read, played a big mix of hard Man D and zone. 

Fury is a San Fran based team centered around Stanford University.  Those of you that have played Kaimana, have probably played the heart of Fury a few times.

DoG, well, enough said.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 29, 2007, 12:46:16 AM
Sockeye Roster ('07):
44   Jaime Arambula   5'5                      ?
20   Mike Caldwell   6'2                     OR
15   Nate Castine   5'11                     ?
14   Sam Chatterton-Kirchmeier   6'2     OR
2   Roger Crafts   5'10                    DR
17   Jeremy Cram   6'0                      DR
8   Seth Crockford   5'9                      DR
23   Andrew Fleming   5'11                    DR
1   Tim Gehret   5'10                    OH
34   Will Henry   5'8                      DH
99   Ray Illian   6'2                      DR
56   Mike Jaeger   5'11                     DH
25   Ron Kubalanza   5'10                     OR (?)
5   Alex Nord   6'4                       DR/OR
9   Sam O'Brien   5'10                     OH
10   Moses Rifkin   6'2                       OR
3   Blaine Robbins   6'3                       DR
16   Thomas Sebby   6'4                       DR
13   Matthew Sewell   5'9                       DR
7   Chase Sparling-Beckley   6'4            OR/DR
6   Danny Trytiak   5'8                        DR
4   Ben Wiggins   5'10                      OH
24   Seth Wiggins   6'1                        DH
22   Ryan Winkelmann   5'9             DR

Not as tall as many of the other teams, but a lot of recognizable names.  From what I know, and have read, I filled in the positions as best as I could. 

So there is the Dingoes challenge!  Let the preparation begin


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on October 29, 2007, 10:37:38 PM
Do they add any other players to the roster from other clubs?

Or is it entirely the club team that goes to WUGC?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 30, 2007, 12:17:43 AM
This is actually an important question.  As I understand it, they will have try outs for the next club season before worlds, club try outs are in early june, so will probably consist of a majority of the same team, but if Zip or someone moves to Seattle by next club season, and makes Sockeye, they will also join Sockeye at worlds.  So this team list is not necessarily the entire WUGC team, but most likely 98% correct. 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on November 07, 2007, 12:51:37 AM
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I mean I have to think that at least the men's open team is pretty much picked aside from 5 or 6 spots... the mixed team is where I imagine all the tough decisions will be made. 

I suspect the selectors a looking for a team the plays well together so doesnt mean that the best players will necessarily make it. However i dont think this will be much of an issue with the guys on the list as most of em are top blokes.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: joely on November 07, 2007, 06:17:56 AM
Who wants to start calling some good matchups?

Obviously the Dowles have both marked up against Chase before. Matt seemed to have him in the air but perhaps Chase was a tad quicker on his toes. And of course Nord, though I noticed they often play him on defence against the other teams best handler, eg Cruickshank, etc.

Who's gonna cover Seth Wiggins? A tough job considering how he played in the final. Johhno Homles?

So many tough, quick guys on that roster...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on November 07, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
Well, Chase primarily plays O and Nord Primarily plays D.  As I understand it, you want to stack your O so they score every time.  So, therefore, Matt and Ant will be playing O together.  This leaves someone like Jonno Holmes marking Chase.

As for Seth Wiggins, everything i have read pegs him as being their top defensive handler, so would say, hopefully, no one will ever have to mark him!   ;D

Tim Gehret, Ben Wiggins, and Sam O'Brian seem to lead their O lines handling.  The real player you want to shut down on their O line is Sammy C-K.  He is a key player downfield and will need to be stopped.  Of course, their other downfield players are solid, ie Chase, Moses, and Mike Caldwell, so maybe just stop them all. 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: joely on November 07, 2007, 06:27:43 PM
I'm sure Mike Nield will have something to say about these guys running all over the field. I'm sure Sammy C-K is a great player, but he's never had Mikey on his hip before :).

And can you imagine how confused Ben Wiggins or Tim Gehret are going to be when they find Owen Shepherd always standing where they want to run, with no idea how he got there?

It's almost make me chuckle.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on November 08, 2007, 07:11:29 PM
Well, the Dowles may end up playing both O and D, they are mildly useful on both :)

I've really got to go whore my folks boardband connection so I can check out some of the Sockeye and Shazam games and check a few of these peeps out.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on November 12, 2007, 08:13:22 PM
all this talk of match ups makes me want to travel with the team. I think anyone who is in the squad is going to have to put in some hard yards between now and August.

No pain. No gain boys.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on November 19, 2007, 04:46:47 PM
Masters Squad has been announced:

Matthew   Anscomb
Steve   Baker
Charles   Blumer
Tom   Brennan
Edward   Burnet
Chris   Burwell
Steve   Campbell
Nathan   Chan
John   Damiani
Geoff   Doty
John   French
John   Greenfield
Steven   Hayes
Damian   Jaccoud
Duncan   McIntosh
Jens   Meyer
Will   Mitchell
Andrew   Morris
Brian   Petteys
Christopher   Phair
Jonathan   Potts
Mat   Ryan
Leon   Smith
Anthony   Solomon
Andrew   Stanley
Paul   Staples
Paul   Therkelsen
Piers   Truter
Craig   Turnbull
Dom   Ventura
Sacha   Vidler
David   Zuk

Looks like they could have a HOT team for worlds

Good enough to beat DoG?

We'll see!
       


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on November 19, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
A lot of those guys are trying out for the Open team as their first preference though, many of them will probably make the open team as well.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on November 19, 2007, 08:38:25 PM
one person = a lot?

The Squad for Open and Mixed is here: http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=485



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on November 19, 2007, 09:02:16 PM
There are 3 people - Pottsy, JD and Piers


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on November 19, 2007, 11:16:13 PM
LOL - I only recgonised about 7 people on this list which included Pottsy, JD and Piers, who I knew were all trying out for Open team and I just figured there'd be others...

Still if Pottsy, JD and Piers were on all on the Open team as opposed to the Masters team it would make quite a significant difference to the overall strenght of the Masters team.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on November 20, 2007, 12:16:25 AM
Chris Stephens (Boo Boo) is also on the squad but was accidently left out - another person also trying out for Open/Mixed


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: newk on November 20, 2007, 04:54:16 AM
Did anyone one else recognise the significance of the fact that a current selector thinks only one of the old bastards will make the team? maybe some new blood for the dingoes is on the cards.........


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on November 20, 2007, 06:39:06 AM
Did anyone one else recognise the significance of the fact that a current selector thinks only one of the old bastards will make the team? maybe some new blood for the dingoes is on the cards...
LOL I didn't say anything because I thought I was reading into the comment too much but I was thinking it.

What is more interesting is that 3 of the 4 mentioned (excluding Truter) are all also applying to be on the Mixed team, and much like the Masters team those 3 would make a significant difference to the Mixed team should they not make the Open team. So it would be interesting to know in the event they don't make the Open, which team they choose to play on (assuming that they'd walk onto the Mixed or Masters team).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Staples on November 20, 2007, 10:10:24 PM
Did anyone one else recognise the significance of the fact that a current selector thinks only one of the old bastards will make the team? maybe some new blood for the dingoes is on the cards.........

I think what he said was that only 1 had a first preference for mens. I suspect some are designating mixed as first priority. I'm guessing we won't see JD or Pottsy on the masters team.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on November 20, 2007, 11:30:14 PM
I know Pottsy has put open as his first preference which means that the rest are out or put other preferences.

assuming with that in mind:
JD and Boo Boo = Mixed
Piers = Masters/out (pretty confident he has to pull out for financial/personal reasons)

That said, I would have agreed with Chris that many of them would have made open.  I was backing JD to be Offensive Handler, and Piers to be Offensive Receiver.  I still back Pottsy to make it as a Defensive Handler.  Anyways, good to see ultitalk active, brings a smile to my face everytime, heheh  ;D 



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: wetnose on November 22, 2007, 06:44:08 PM
hey bretty, are you going to be back for worlds stuff next year? u guna b doing nats and nufl?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on November 27, 2007, 01:02:33 AM
Shoggy, did you end up figuring out your preferences?

first preference Mixed or Open?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on December 07, 2007, 08:36:59 PM
There's a forum started up on the WUGC website. (http://www.wugc2008.com/forum)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on December 18, 2007, 05:46:08 AM
The new eligibility rules are out for worlds players.

http://www.wfdf.org/rules/NTPER_WFDF_Ultimate_Worlds_Events_2007-12-17.pdf

What does this mean?

Well, from a quick scan of the worlds squad, I can see a couple of players that this affects:

Billy Alexander
Brett Matzuka
Claire Hussey
Chris Freise

Don't know if thats a full list.

Here are the relevant entries:

3.2.  WFDF Citizen
Players are also deemed to be "WFDF citizens" if they have moved to the country at least
four years prior to the start date of the event and spent more than 75% of those four years in
the country.

3.4.  Ultimate Community Member
Players are deemed to be "Ultimate community members" at the discretion of the National
Association if they are considered to be a significant part of that Country’s ultimate
community, but don’t fall under the above categories.   
The following may be taken into account by the National Association in making this decision:
Residency history in that Country
Participation in that Country’s ultimate events, especially national championships
Past representation on National Teams
Participation in the development of ultimate in the Country 

You are allowed up to four WFDF citizens on any one team and then up to one Ultimate community member on one team.

Brett and Freisy are probably in the WFDF citizens class, so that probably covers them.

Hussey and Billy will probably have to go for the Ultimate community member, which probably just means they can't both play on the mixed team, which isn't likely to be a problem.

Sooo, the long and the short of it is that I don't think there will be any tricky problems for these darlings of the Australian ultimate community, huzzah!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on December 18, 2007, 06:23:27 AM
I think you've misread the policy Tom.

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4.2. Team composition
A Team may have on its roster:
  • any number of Legal Citizens or WFDF Citizens,
  • a maximum of 4 Resident Non-Citizens
  • a maximum of 1 Ultimate Community Member replacing one of the Resident Non-
    Citizens.
It is the "resident non-citizens" which are restricted
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3.3. Resident Non-Citizen
Players are deemed to be "Resident non-citizens"
a) if they own a legal certificate of permanent residency issued by the country's
government; or
b) if they have moved to the country at least 20 months prior to the start date of the event
and spent more than 75% of those 20 months in the country.

Another person who is likely to fall under this is Diana Worman - I think she has permanent residency so that would make her a Resident non-citizen.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on December 18, 2007, 06:08:56 PM
Ahh yeah, I read it much earlier and in the space of a few hours my memory went to work and switched things around.

Where is Di originally from? And do you have official citizenship for here or what?

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: oshep on December 18, 2007, 08:05:32 PM
well, going by her accent, i think she's French.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on December 18, 2007, 09:57:10 PM
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Where is Di originally from? And do you have official citizenship for here or what?
Disey's a pom

Quote
And do you have official citizenship for here or what?
I'm a "WFDF Citizen". I've been living in Australia for over 4 years (over 5 in fact). (even though I'm a NZ citizen)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on December 18, 2007, 11:59:01 PM
shoot the sheep shagger... i mean i am part kiwi too so i shouldnt say that.

This topic gets more interesting each days as each squad members have any where from a mini crisis to having too pull out for any number of reasons. I love this job shame i am giving it up in a few days.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on December 19, 2007, 05:48:28 PM
Yay for WFDF Citizens!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on December 20, 2007, 09:06:59 PM
Obviously the mini-crisis' are something to be kept confidential but who else has pulled out? I'm aware that Piers has effectively been sidelined by money issues. Who else is out?!?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on December 27, 2007, 07:53:42 PM
i have 2 womens names on my list but i wont name them till i can confirm it with the selectors. As for piers i believe he is still on the masters list. Has piers started acting his age and is ready for masters??


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on December 27, 2007, 09:44:09 PM
two? Oh noes, I have grave fears for a pair of box ladies that have been struggling with money and visa issues. I hope its not them :( (alternatively, I hope that whoever is having problems finds a solution that involved them remaining on the squad for worlds)

Also, I heard that Tania King and Ash Martens have put their names down for mixed only? Is this a careless rumour or is it true? Can anyone confirm?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 10, 2008, 06:07:08 AM
Okay kids, I'm obviously seriously bored and I can't wait to get some more frisbee into me. Amped for the worlds camps and for the open season.

There is certainly one topic that hasn't much been touched on and that is the topic of the mystery third selector for the mixed team. Now who ever this is will have a profound impact on the sort of mixed team selected and to be honest, will have an impact on my own selection chances. With Nikki covering the girls side of the shop (but obviously having seen/played a lot of mixed with the boys before her ACL injury this year) and Pennoes being a little out of the loop (having only played a couple of tournaments in the last two years) who gets picked for this role is going to be an interesting little outcome of this first training camp in canberra.

Anyone like to have a guess at who is a possible candidate for the role? If you don't have an idea on who is likely to be an option as a mixed selector, who do you think *would* be a good choice, whether they play for the mixed team or not?

Or we can ramble on about possible open/womens dark horses?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on January 10, 2008, 07:30:16 AM
Hey Tom

I am equally amped for next weekend

I think JD would make a great Mixed selector.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: my_worlds_teams on January 21, 2008, 01:11:17 AM
Is anyone going to have a go at naming the teams?! Hard to do without maybe offending people?

I'd go for...

Open (24)

Handlers (10)
Steve Antonopoulos
Abra Garfield
Brett Matzuka
John McNaughton
David O'Brien
Jonathan Potts
Daniel Rule
Ken Shepherd
Owen Shepherd
Chris Warris

Receivers (14)
Lee Baker
Tim Booth
Anthony Dowle
Matthew Dowle
Peter Gardner
Andrew Glover
Jonathan Holmes
Angus Keenan
Tim Lavis
John Liddicoat
Gavin Moore
Michael Neild
Joel Pillar
Mark Taylor

Mixed (11)

Handlers (5)
Sebastian Barr
John Damiani
Alistair Don
Adam Mortimer
Chris Stephens

Receivers (6)
Peter Blakeley
Stephen Johnson
Brett Middleton
Jonathan Tatham
Thomas Walcott
James Yorston

Couldn't even guess at the girls.
I've gone 24 on Open, but maybe it will only be 22 or 23? Wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Tats or Tex get a run in Open

Whaddaya reckon?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on January 21, 2008, 02:21:44 AM
I'm sure lots of people have their teams chosen but putting them out in the public domain is a recipe for trouble :)

Could comment specifically on your lists but will only do so without naming names (just to let you have a bit more speculation!)...
- I heard rumours that one of the guys in your open team has pulled out
- I believe at least one of the guys in your mixed team only has open as a preference
- don't know the guys well enough but I thought one of the guys you named as a receiver in the open team was a handler

On the women's front I found it pretty easy to pick the first 14 or so but after that I got stuck. I don't envy the selectors.



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Alias on January 21, 2008, 08:16:28 AM
OK so the only revisions I think might be made to that team are Pete Gardner would be in as a handler rather than a receiver (as Rachel mentioned), and the rumour spreading around is that Johnny Mac had pulled out, again I think that is who Rachel is referring to. Also I'm not certain but I think Chris Stephens may be opting for Masters if he doesn't make the Open team, and at this stage I probably wouldn't have him in the Open team.

Word is Billy has pulled out, and also has been a lot of speculation as to what is happening with Brett Matzuka? I personally haven't heard any reliable rumours on this front. Maybe Brett himself can fill us in?

Some other minor suggestions I'd make to the Open team is that I think Adam Mortimer and Al Don also have good chances of making the Open team, and I think in the event Brett doesn't make the Open team Adam Mortimer will slip into his place as a D handler.

I also think the Pete Gardner's gap in the receiver line would be filled by Tats or Tex - maybe they both will make it if the Open team takes 25 which isn't unreasonable. I'd also put Paul Denyer down as an outside chance for the Open team and a very good chance for the Mixed.

Here is my prediction:

Open (25)
Handlers (10):
Steve Antonopoulos
Abra Garfield
Brett Matzuka
Al Don
Jonathan Potts
Daniel Rule
Ken Shepherd
Owen Shepherd
Chris Warris
Peter Gardner

Receivers (15)
Lee Baker
Tim Booth
Anthony Dowle
Matthew Dowle
Andrew Glover
Jonathan Holmes
Angus Keenan
Tim Lavis
John Liddicoat
Gavin Moore
Michael Neild
Joel Pillar
Mark Taylor
Jonathan Tatham
Peter Blakeley


Mixed (11)
Handlers (6)
John Damiani
Dave O'Brien
Adam Mortimer
Max Wheeler
Steve Wealands
Warwick Shepperd

Receivers (7)
Paul Denyer
Chris Freise
Brett Middleton
Mark Isherwood
Peter Liddicoat
Stephen Johnson
Thomas Walcott


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on January 21, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
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OK so the only revisions I think might be made to that team are Pete Gardner would be in as a handler rather than a receiver (as Rachel mentioned)

I wasn't referring to Pete Gardner! He would definitely be a receiver in my book. There is someone else *eiry music*

Also think one of your receivers in your mixed team is out of position... (Pete Liddicoat is a handler afaik)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 21, 2008, 07:00:15 PM
I think the mystery player rach refers to is Tim Booth, who does handle normally but is trying out for O receiver instead.

Also, Wealands receives doesn't he?

And yes, P.Liddy is a handler

Yes, JMac has pulled out.

Billy the pimp is out due to illness in the family

Steven's shouldn't be opting out of mixed, can anyone clarify?

Brett M is still trying out but is stuck out of the country for the next couple of months because he is poor.

The mystery poster is a HOS player

I will post what I think will be the open selectors picks soon. Need to rejig after pull outs etc. Note, that is different from the team I would pick to play with myself, I'm just going to model the actual selectors. (Had to go back in time and take acid at 13 to model Greenie, was tough)

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on January 21, 2008, 07:25:54 PM
Quote
Also I'm not certain but I think Chris Stephens may be opting for Masters if he doesn't make the Open team, and at this stage I probably wouldn't have him in the Open team

Chris Stephens is definitely still in for Mixed.

Also I suggest that instead of 10 people making new profiles that they never use again, how about "my_worlds_teams" posts their password and everyone can use that profile to post their team?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 24, 2008, 06:57:06 AM
Here's my guess at the selectors pick. There are a selection of players that fall between the cracks of O/D or H/R and could easily shift but I have arbitrarly jammed them into different places. Note that S instead of O/D denotes a stud player that will have an evenish O/D split. Brett should play as a SH but I doubt that will be recognised.

Dingos

Angus Keenan OR
Tim Lavis OR
Tim Booth OR
Gavin Moore OR
John Liddicoat OR

Chris Warris OH
David O'Brien OH
Jonathan Potts OH
Daniel Rule OH

Jonathan Tatham DR
Michael Neild DR
Joel Pillar DR
Peter Gardner DR
Jonathan Holmes DR
Mark Taylor DR
Lee Baker DR

Owen Shepherd DH
Adam Mortimer DH
Brett Matzuka DH
Abra Garfield DH
Ken Shepherd DH

Anthony Dowle SR
Matthew Dowle SR

Of course, I am very interested to see how this team goes without the Gak. From my understanding, he obviously has been a huge impact player in dingos games in the past but clammed up a bit in the last big game/s in Finland. I think his clamming up difficulties have been solved, with world games and three nationals under his belt..... but now worlds doesn't seem to hold much appeal for Gak.

I can't wait to see how inaccurate I am on tuesday :)


PS: The edit is just to note that Wazza is trying out for a receiver position not a handler position.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on January 24, 2008, 01:04:42 PM
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, you are funny Tom.  I thank you for talking me up, but I am by no means a SH.  I am too much of a risk taker to ever play O, but you flatter me by thinking I can play O, so thanks.

Also, a few things I found interesting.  Pottsy and Warris are on your O line, Ken Shepard is on your D line, and Mike Nield is not a SR?  As I understand, Chris Warris was D captain in '04, though maybe he has changed to offense, I don't know.  Pottsy is anti-offense from what I know, and Ken Shepard is a Offensive handler.  To finish, Mike Nield has his own church in Brisbane because of his ability to play both sides of the disc, so keep that in mind.

As for Brett himself (who obviously speaks in third person), he is stuck in the US for a little bit as his family has been having major financial issues.  The real estate market is the worst it has ever been in US history, worse than the Great Depression.  So, he is still trying out but was unable to make the camp due to these fiscal concerns.  However, he is playing with local teams and has been training hard with weights, conditioning and plyos.  And lastly, Brett will be playing kaimana in Hawaii with a group of the sockeye guys and Bravo guys, so will have a chance to scout the opposition, though most of them are going to dream cup in Japan, so that would be a great chance for the Dingos to rate the opposition.  Anyways, has been great to hear all the great things about the camp and excited to see who is lucky enough to get to represent Australia.  Good luck to everyone and I hope all is well over there, farewell
 


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: taconight on January 24, 2008, 01:17:09 PM
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As for Brett himself (who obviously speaks in third person)

I'm Brett and I'm a huuuggee tool who loves the US!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 24, 2008, 04:47:04 PM
I'm curious to know what exactly Hobbit is going to do for the dingos. I've only played with him as a O-handler on deathstar and otherwise I've just seen him play as a SH. Plus I have to put the oldies somewhere, OH seems the natural fallback for the veteran players ;) Pottsy was certainly anti-offence in the young VS old game on the weekend. He was very generously keeping the young'uns in the game after we lost our cool in the middle of the game. And yeah, I largely wasn't thinking very hard about kenny and confused him with his brother... oopsies!

You being a SH was on the provision that you benched yourself if you're not having a good game :P

Mikey's a fucking great player but I'm not yet upgrading him to an SR. Partially because its likely to be a fairly big team but also he just needs a bit more in my mind. Don't worry, I'm sure he'll get to SR for the dingos before I do ;)

Dream cup would be sick but its the same weekend as regionals her in AU, so that has pretty much been the death of any organised effort to get there.



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: shoggy on January 25, 2008, 10:33:46 PM
team announced today - Australia day  ;)

Steve Antonopoulos (NSW)
Tim Booth (NSW)
Paul Denyer (WA)
Anthony Dowle (NSW)
Matthew Dowle (NSW)
Peter Gardner (NSW)
Abra Garfield (NSW)
Andrew Glover (NSW)
Jonathan Holmes (ACT)
Angus Keenan (NSW)
Tim Lavis (NSW)
John Liddicoat (VIC)
Brett Matzuka (QLD)
Gavin Moore (NSW)
Michael Neild (QLD)
David O'Brien (NSW)
Joel Pillar (SA)
Jonathan Potts (NSW)
Daniel Rule (VIC)
Ken Shepherd (NSW)
Owen Shepherd (VIC)
Jonathan Tatham (NSW)
Mark Taylor (NSW)
Chris Warris (NSW)



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 25, 2008, 10:42:18 PM
I'm three players off the team for my guesses. See, not so hard to be an aussie selector :P

Paul Denyer, Glover and Steve in and Lee baker and Adam M Out. Alias's team is similarly off from the final list. Exciting news! Guess that leaves the field finalised for those pushing for the mixed team!

W00t! See you lot next week!

...and when is the damned mixed selector going to be announced?!?!

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on January 31, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
Well, girls are out finalllly out!

Lauren Brown
Sarah Crossie
Liz Edye
Megan Gamble
Rachel Grindlay
Clare Hussey
Lisi Jarrott
Tania King
Belinda Kinneally
Joy Lee
Ash Martens
Jo McClellan
Lisa McGinnigle
Rebecca McKinlay
Keah Molomby
Kylie O'Brien
Helen Osmond
Michelle Phillips
Carlie Ryan
Vivien Stettner
Sarah Wentworth
Diana Worman


And we have two more mixed selectors with more to come! Adam Mortimer and JD.

This weekend is going to be great, whats the forecast?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on January 31, 2008, 10:04:49 PM
well... let's hope the weather is not like last night complete with huge electrical storms, hail and torrential rain. I hope the fields are open!

Forecast for Saturday
Showers. Cloudy. Light to moderate northeast to southeast winds.

Precis: Showers.


City:  Min:   19  Max:   24
West:  Min:   19  Max:   26

Sunday Showers. Chance thunderstorms.


City:  Min:   21  Max:   25
West:  Min:   19  Max:   27


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on January 31, 2008, 11:26:44 PM
And we have two more mixed selectors with more to come! Adam Mortimer and JD.
Vickie Saye has just been confirmed as the 5th selector.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tiger on January 31, 2008, 11:55:56 PM
Well, girls are out finalllly out!

Lauren Brown
Sarah Crossie
Liz Edye
Megan Gamble
Rachel Grindlay
Clare Hussey
Lisi Jarrott
Tania King
Belinda Kinneally
Joy Lee
Ash Martens
Jo McClellan
Lisa McGinnigle
Rebecca McKinlay
Keah Molomby
Kylie O'Brien
Helen Osmond
Michelle Phillips
Carlie Ryan
Vivien Stettner
Sarah Wentworth
Diana Worman


Congratulations to all these waymenz, I've only seen a few of them play but even from that I really wouldn't want to be in any other country's Women's team right about now...

Correct me if I'm wrong - it does happen - but that means this team will be playing against the US team Fury? My other question: is the name Aurora Australis going to be dropped this year? I heard talk it was.

T.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on February 01, 2008, 12:12:15 AM
The talk wasn't so much "the name will be dropped" so much as "we might not use that name".

So here's the contenders for the mixed squad...
(the original squads minus Dingoes/Aurora)

Jane Altschwager
Lorna Barr
Katie Bradstock
Megan Campbell
Rebecca Carman
Tamara Davis
Shavawn Donoghue
Elizabeth Drummond
Luisa Fearnside
Nicole Footer
Mel Gangemi
Laina Hall
Melinda Jackson
Leanne King
Sophie Lyon
Isobel MacAulay
Cath Matthews
Gaby Melo
Debbie Ng
Kristen Nott
Karen Parker
Julia Powles
Vickie Saye
Lucy Stevenson
Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman
Andrea Wang

Lee Baker
Mike Baker
Sebastian Barr
Rueben Berg
Peter Blakeley
Chris Cunliffe
John Damiani
Tim Delane
Alistair Don
Chris Freise
Peter Hemphill
Mark Isherwood
Stephen Johnson
Peter Liddicoat
Brett Middleton
Andy Moroney
Adam Mortimer
Warwick Shepherd
Chris Stephens
Huy Vu
Thomas Walcott
Thomas Watson
Steve Wealands
Max Wheeler
James Yorston


There's a lot of names I'm not familiar with on the women's list, but I'd harbor a guess at Lou, The Gange, KP and Lucy S making it.

As for the boys...
- Lee Baker
- Mike Baker
- Sebastian Barr
- Rueben Berg
- John Damiani
- Alistair Don
- Mark Isherwood
- Adam Mortimer
- Warwick Shepherd
- Chris Stephens
- Steve Wealands
- Max Wheeler

...I seem to have too many handlers  :-\


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on February 01, 2008, 02:43:09 AM
Quote
So here's the contenders for the mixed squad...
(the original squads minus Dingoes/Women)

I think you'll find there are a few of people listed that are not trying out for mixed because they either pulled out of the squads some months/weeks ago or because they only had open/womens as a preference not mixed. Of the women I count 6 who are not trying out for mixed.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on February 01, 2008, 02:57:48 AM
I think you'll find there are a few of people listed that are not trying out for mixed because they either pulled out of the squads some months/weeks ago or because they only had open/womens as a preference not mixed. Of the women I count 6 who are not trying out for mixed.
Yeah I figured that. I'm not really in the know about these kind of things.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on February 04, 2008, 12:40:28 AM
From that list of boys, Cunliffe has pulled out.

It was a great week end, despite the bad weather (lots of rain and therefore lots of mud)

Some standout performances from the boys:

Peter Blakeley
Peter Hemphill
Brett Middleton
Huy Vu
Thomas Walcott
James Yorston

Picking this team is going to be really tough - anyone who misses out should consider themeselves unlucky.

I think Australia will do very well in Canada  ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on February 04, 2008, 04:32:51 PM
Also, stand out performers:

The Young team!

Great to see the young team take control of the Young VS Old game early in the match (5-1) and hold on for the ride to win 15-12 over the Oldies.

I suspect the last time a Young team beat an Old team was when the Gak was young!

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on February 04, 2008, 04:53:35 PM
Chris Cunliffe pulled out??????????

Why is that?

Chris, I want to know what is up!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on February 05, 2008, 10:10:47 PM
Chris Cunliffe pulled out??????????

Why is that?

Chris, I want to know what is up!

chumped  ;D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: carlie on February 05, 2008, 10:31:52 PM
Any word on the mixed team? Do we have an expected date for announcement?  The waiting is the hardest part...    :-\

Good luck to all.  Think it is going to be a strong team.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JdR on February 06, 2008, 12:00:34 AM
The Mixed Selectors have forwarded their team to the AFDA Board for approval.

Should be announced in the next 24 hours hopefully, assuming the Board have no problems with the Selection process.

Edit:  IGNORE THAT and read Timmy's post next.  I keep forgetting that I have no idea what I'm talking about, sometimes!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Timmy D on February 06, 2008, 12:25:40 AM
It'll take the selectors a little while to call the 20-25 people that didn't make it.  Then they can release the list.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: mattdowle on February 06, 2008, 12:29:04 AM
Tom, I think you might find that the young have won many games in the past and fairly recently, maybe even more than old. However, happy to be corrected.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ulty_arnie on February 06, 2008, 12:57:59 AM
Chris, why did you pull out?!?!?!!?

I know you read this, at least e-mail me or facebook me brother, you know I love you  ;)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JdR on February 06, 2008, 06:24:40 AM
Chris, why did you pull out?!?!?!!?

I know you read this, at least e-mail me or facebook me brother, you know I love you  ;)

Chris has confessed in a comment over on the Brisbane Ultimate Blog - http://brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/2008/01/and-it-became-magically-fertile.html

I'll get you to go over there, rather than repeat here, because the Blog would love the traffic.



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on February 06, 2008, 08:17:59 AM
Well Al Don said that it was only the second time he'd seen it at a training camp since 2000... Perhaps there are worlds training camps that you have gone to that he hasn't? The old VS young for the dingos would be a entirely different matter to the old VS young for the whole squad. I shifted from being in the middle of the young un's to one of the oldest at the mixed camp, cut off was early '84s I believe

Would that make sense?

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on February 06, 2008, 10:30:25 AM
Chris, why did you pull out?!?!?!!?

I know you read this, at least e-mail me or facebook me brother, you know I love you  ;)
Sorry about the late response I hadn't checked UltiTalk in awhile -I just sent you a fairly length PM about why I pulled out.

As for everyone else the shorter summation is... I was just a little worn out and I hadn't had a real break (longer than a couple of week) from Ultimate since I started (2005).

I was tossing the decision up from New Years to the first training camp a lot, but I'd already bought tickets to both so I just figured I'd go to the first one and just see how I felt. I pretty much got there and just had an Adam Gilchrist moment. I just knew it was time to take a break. I played like a dog all weekend dropped a couple of catches, but more importantly I attacked the disc poorly, didn't layout once when I had probably 3 or 4 deadset D's if I left my feet - same applied on O. Long story short my heart wasn't in it from the first game and I knew after the first day of training camp that I couldn't commit the next 6 months to something I was 100% into.

So with after a brief chat to JMac during the training camp he told me not to do the jerk thing of wait to not be selected (which was my initial plan) rather that I should inform the selectors ASAP so I don't waste their time. Ahhh Johnny... you can always count on him to give the honourable advice!

So at this stage I'm just planning to play Nationals this year and probably take a break for the rest of the high level Ultimate.



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: timill on February 07, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
So, who made the Mundies?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rachelg on February 09, 2008, 06:40:07 AM
2008 Mixed Team Announced

Dear All,

On behalf of the AFDA, the Mixed Selectors would like to announce the Australian Mixed team, the Barramundis, who will compete at the 2008 World Ultimate Championships in Vancouver in August.

All the people involved in this process have contributed greatly to the future success of the Barramundis in 2008, from the volunteers at the selection camps through to everyone who applied for selection on the team. Thank you.

There will be many more opportunities to continue to support the Barramundis and the other Australian teams in the coming six months, we encourage you to take up those opportunities and be a part of their success in Vancouver.

The 2008 Barramundis are:

Women:
Rebecca Carmen (NSW)
Mel Gangemi (VIC)
Laina Hall (ACT)
Leanne King (ACT)
Cath Matthews (VIC)
Gaby Melo (NSW)
Kristen Nott (QLD)
Vickie Saye (ACT)
Lucy Stevenson (ACT)
Andrea Wang (NSW)

Men:
Lee Baker (VIC)
Sebastian Barr (VIC)
Peter Blakeley (NSW)
John Damiani (WA)
Alistair Don (QLD)
Chris Freise (VIC)
Brett Middleton (SA)
Adam Mortimer (ACT)
Warwick Shepherd (NSW)
Steve Wealands (VIC)
Max Wheeler (ACT)
Huy Vu (SA)
James Yorston (NSW)

This makes for a squad of 23 excellent players.

Needless to say, this was one of the hardest teams to select with serious quality players missing out on the team due to the high standard currently in Australian Ultimate. We have every confidence those selected on the team will represent Australia at the highest level with commitment and spirit.

Big congratulations to all those who made the team, and best wishes as you carry the mixed flag for Australia at World Championships. The World Championships will run August 2-9 in Vancouver, Canada.
Australian Mixed Team Selectors 2008
Nikki Shires
Vickie Saye
Adam Mortimer
John Damiani
Andrew Pennington



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on February 09, 2008, 08:39:25 AM
There's a lot of names I'm not familiar with on the women's list, but I'd harbor a guess at Lou, The Gange, KP and Lucy S making it.

As for the boys...
- Lee Baker
- Mike Baker
- Sebastian Barr
- Rueben Berg
- John Damiani
- Alistair Don
- Mark Isherwood
- Adam Mortimer
- Warwick Shepherd
- Chris Stephens
- Steve Wealands
- Max Wheeler

Women:
Rebecca Carmen (NSW)
Mel Gangemi (VIC)
Laina Hall (ACT)
Leanne King (ACT)
Cath Matthews (VIC)
Gaby Melo (NSW)
Kristen Nott (QLD)
Vickie Saye (ACT)
Lucy Stevenson (ACT)
Andrea Wang (NSW)

Men:
Lee Baker (VIC)
Sebastian Barr (VIC)
Peter Blakeley (NSW)
John Damiani (WA)
Alistair Don (QLD)
Chris Freise (VIC)
Brett Middleton (SA)
Adam Mortimer (ACT)
Warwick Shepherd (NSW)
Steve Wealands (VIC)
Max Wheeler (ACT)
Huy Vu (SA)
James Yorston (NSW)
Wow. I'm not very good at this game   :-[


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on February 10, 2008, 06:07:26 AM
I like Simmo don't know a whole lot about the ladies, but on the boys side it looks like there isn't a whole lot of height, but there is definitely a few guys that make up for it with speed. Now that the men's, women's and mixed teams are selected I'm really keen to see how Australia stacks up in each division and to see if we can hold/improve on our current world ranking!



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on February 10, 2008, 04:36:57 PM
I'm a little surprise that a few of the girls made it over Isobel. And perhaps the selectors are picking a short fast team because it suits their style of play? (short and fast)

Good luck to all the teams! Looking forward to hearing the juniors and masters teams now

-Tom


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tiger on February 10, 2008, 09:36:40 PM
Good luck to all the teams! Looking forward to hearing the juniors and masters teams now

Juniors was the first to be announced. It's still on the AFDA front page.

T.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: rjhberg on February 10, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
Quote
Juniors was the first to be announced. It's still on the AFDA front page.

That's the squad. I think he meant the Team.

Do you know when that will be finalised?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on February 10, 2008, 10:50:05 PM
From my vague memories of chatting with my brother, the Juniors selection camp isn't until March I believe, so I'm assuming late March will roughly be about the time the Juniors team is named.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: cupcake on February 11, 2008, 01:46:57 AM
indeed the end of march is the set time for the announcement of the juniours teams. 29th and 30th are the dates of the training camp. from memory is that the dates for a training camp for the open/girls/mixed teams aswell??? should be exciting!

cupcake


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on February 12, 2008, 08:12:46 PM
On behalf of the AFDA, the Masters Selectors would like to announce the
Australian Masters Team, the
Taipans, who will compete at the 2008 World Ultimate Championships in
Vancouver in August.
The names listed below form the majority of the Australian Masters Team
with a few remaining spots being determined over the next few weeks. The
reason for the delay in announcing the last few spots is to ensure that
we allow a final group of squad members a proper chance to display their
ability at or near 100% fitness.

We would like to thank everyone who participated in this process and
stress how impressed we have been with the quality of players available
for selection at the Masters level. This made selections very difficult
and our appreciation goes out to the AFDA Board for their guidance and
patience throughout the selection process.

This is a very experienced and talented list of players with the
potential to succeed in Vancouver and we encourage you to support all
the Australian Representative Teams in their bid to medal at the
World Championships.

The initial group of players comprising the 2008 Australian Masters
(Taipans) are:

1. Charles Blumer
2. Tom Brennan
3. Chris Burwell
4. Steve Campbell
5. Nathan Chan
6. Geoff Doty
7. John Greenfield
8. Duncan McIntosh
9. Jens Meyer
10. Declan Moore
11. Andrew Morris
12. Brian Petteys
13. Mat Ryan
14. Anthony Solomon
15. Piers Truter
16. Craig Turnbull
17. Sacha Vidler
18. David Zuk

We look forward to announcing the remaining spots in the near future and
congratulate those listed above on their selection to the Australian
Masters Team.

Cheers
The Masters Selectors
(Jens Meyer, Andrew Stanley and Steve Campbell)


------------------------
Great lineup. Not sure why they've named themselves after one of the original Gladiators though.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on February 12, 2008, 09:21:42 PM
The team is too young and energetic to be called the emu's. i would have like to have seen them called cockatoos. Know the masters sick minds they could have a lot of fun with that.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on June 14, 2008, 08:10:39 PM
Sockeye have announced their roster for Worlds.

http://www.seattlesockeye.org/team.html

I see they have a 17 year old rookie....must be pretty bloody good.

Have australians matched up on many of these players before, and how have they fared. I see some of them are the same players from World Games 05.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JdR on July 01, 2008, 11:25:22 PM
Anyone notice the new Dingo website (http://sites.google.com/site/australiandingos/) has the team heading to Worlds in 31 days, while the Thunder (http://www.thunder08.com/) are going in 23?

There's scope here for gags about being either premature or a slow hand ...

Still - the new Dingo site is MOST EXCELLENT with some entertaining profiles :)

I can't talk about slightly shabby websites ... checkout the rough AMUC site at http://amuc08.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Lex on July 02, 2008, 02:46:59 AM
Are the dingos doing anything while they are there?
We are going to Seattle for 3 or 4 days to play some showcase games, look around  etc... with the local teams.

Also with the Dingos profiles, I could not stop laughing at Ant's photo underneath his bio.
Here. (http://sites.google.com/site/australiandingos/roster/anthony-dowle)



-Alex


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Jangles on July 02, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
they are but they are seem to be keeping a lot in house


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: mattdowle on July 02, 2008, 08:57:58 PM
If you look at the website JDR posted (public dingos site) you'll see we have 4 games scheduled against top US sides. Jam, Revolver, Condors and Johnny Bravo. We leave in 15 days for most of us - worlds however starts in however many days the dingos site says (30 days).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 02, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
BLOG PLUG!

I've put up a couple of posts that spell out when all the Aussie teams have their games in Eastern Standard Time.

http://ballaratultimate.blogspot.com

Is anyone else buying Ultivillage's webcast of the finals?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: a1214 on August 02, 2008, 09:51:39 AM
yeah i bought the $17 one, haven't quite figured out what i get yet...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 02, 2008, 10:44:48 AM
I think you get the Opening Ceremony (happening in a couple of hours?), highlights each day and the women/mixed/open finals live.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 02, 2008, 08:54:33 PM
I bought it, but it hasn't shown up on my profile yet... which is kinda annoying me... If I've paid and it doesn't let me watch, I'm gonna be pretty cut...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ash_5 on August 02, 2008, 10:15:47 PM
i feel sorry for the rest of the teams in Pool B...
USA AND JAPAN in the same pool..unlucky


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 03, 2008, 01:19:17 AM
has anyone managed to watch the free opening ceremony and showcase game yet? it isnt loading or soemthig for me


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 03, 2008, 11:54:40 AM
Official website looks to have packed it in already, and it's about 15 minutes into the first game.

-edit- Actually it's their ISP. Hope someone's on the phone to them!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 03, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
It's back online, mate. For some stupid reason I'm still up...

Firetails tight with USA, 8-10.
Thunder took down ze French, 17-12.
Mundis made short work of Hong Kong, 17-5.

Biggest news of all though, Southern Terra are smacking up Canada!! 9-4 up!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 03, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
Firetails went down 12-17. 5 point run in the middle of the game hurt them, it looks like. Mama with 5 goals.

Taipans currently 14-11 over GB. Goals are being scored almost exclusively in runs. Coach Truter leading the stats at the moment... guess Thunder aren't playing any time soon.

Canada making some inroads into Terra's lead, 9-11 at the moment... Canada on a 3 goal run, and 5 of the last 6... Ellie with 5 stats so far.

I hate "watching" frisbee online. Assignment is finished, I'm going to bed.
Go you rippers.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: a1214 on August 03, 2008, 07:51:16 PM
wow go australia.

this is awesome. wish i could see some of this, have you guys got the uv tv highlights working?

also how are the stats working? the number of goals/assists is a lot more than the final scores of the game. is this on purpose?

http://www.wugc2008.com/team/201

(31 goals)



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Brettski on August 03, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
Calan Spielman Player Goals: 6 Assists: 2

Yeah Cal!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: gref on August 03, 2008, 10:11:00 PM
The first day of play has just finished, with Terra just failing to reel in Japan, after sticking it to Canada earlier. The Master's scores are probally worth a mention, getting over Great Britain, the bronze medalists from Turku, and burgeoning powerhouse Japan.

The Open, Junior Open and Masters teams all start the tournament unbeaten.

The Women, Junior Women and Mixed teams are all 1-1.


Standings for Day 1:

Dingos 1-0
=> Beat Ireland 17-7

Women 1-1
=> Lost to USA 12-17
=> Beat Ireland 17-2

Mundis 1-1
=> Beat Hong Kong 17-5
=> Lost to USA 14-17

Masters 2-0
=> Beat GB 17-13
=> Beat Japan 16-10

Thunder 1-0
=> Beat France 17-12

Terra 1-1
=> Beat Canada 12-9
=> Lost to Japan 17-13


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ash_5 on August 04, 2008, 04:24:15 AM
apparently JD has torn his calf muscle..anyone know more about it?
cause he hasnt got any stats on the WUGC site...
major blow for the Mundis if he has though


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: littletom on August 04, 2008, 05:32:31 AM
Its thats true the mundis are getting slammed with injuries, really unlucky at this early stage of the tournament.

All in all a fairly good bunch of results. Glad to see the oldies beating the crap into everyone.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: gref on August 04, 2008, 09:49:22 AM
I was just watching the women's Japan vs Canada showcase game, and the Japanese women were awesome.

It seemed like every player on their team could break the mark, meaning they could get an advance in the first 3 seconds of each stall count, and tore through the Canadian defence. It seems like they are going to be serious contenders.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 04, 2008, 07:04:13 PM
Thunder 4 - US 17

Ouch :(


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 04, 2008, 08:31:43 PM
i saw brett middleton was back on the stats reporter, scoring 3 goals against italy. does that man he isnt out for worlds, or is it an error in reporting?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 04, 2008, 09:05:20 PM
The Girls are 4 up on the US!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 04, 2008, 09:06:08 PM
The Us try to stem the tide by calling a timeout.
Whatever.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 04, 2008, 09:40:32 PM
worlds website seems to have stuffed up, showing the girls result as the chinese taipai v ireland guts rsult...


however...seems like antoehr HUGE result for terra, 15-11 win over the US.

Nice work!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 04, 2008, 10:55:01 PM
i saw brett middleton was back on the stats reporter, scoring 3 goals against italy. does that man he isnt out for worlds, or is it an error in reporting?
The three goals were all quite late in the Italy game when the Mundis were up by 10 or so. I imagine he went on for a few gimp points.

I'd love to hear more about the Venezuela/Colombia game in the Open division. Venezuela came back from 11-13 down at time cap to win 14-11.

Taipans are 2nd on the table, with victories over GB and Japan. I'd almost back them in now for a spot in the semis.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: suj on August 04, 2008, 11:52:57 PM
Terra 1-1
=> Beat Canada 12-9

There's a blockstack.tv interview with 2 of the Terra girls after their Canada game
http://blip.tv/play/AcahW4ibDg


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: richie on August 05, 2008, 01:10:10 AM
I think the stats are all over the place. At one point they said Mama threw a goal to herself :).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 05, 2008, 01:19:21 AM
'Tis possible. Happened at World Clubs on our team. Swilly huck, thrower chased it down and caught it off a mack.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: luweekoh on August 05, 2008, 01:42:42 AM
phil white with 10 assists!!!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: shoggy on August 05, 2008, 02:39:42 AM
I think the stats are all over the place. At one point they said Mama threw a goal to herself :).

Aussie worlds first callahan actually :) yeah mama.

the canada v japan game was a balltearer. japan lost from 15-11 up. double match point, canada on d, pull lands one yard in from back of endzone, slides out. then a first pass layout block by kevin (#4). huge!! 33 points played for total of 33 turnovers, it was a great game to watch.

yeah, sweet as was gimping it up, we simply had to get him out there though. JD is looking iffy, but will play at some point (has played with a torn calf before) despite the fact he'll prolly tear it worse. he'll live.  terra are the aussie team of the tourney though, they had a mammoth cheer squad v usa today. outside of beach worlds, the first aussie team to beat USA in international competition. anyway, past my bedtime, gotta run.

'mundis blog is rolling, check it out - barramundis2008.blogspot.com


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Chris on August 05, 2008, 11:57:54 AM
Man how nice are the Aussie Jnr girls going!!! Downing Canada and USA! I'd be interested it to hear how they would fancy their chances in a rematch against Japan...?

I guess the opposite if true for the Junior Boys, who seem to be getting pumped at the moment... :(

Big day is coming up for the Dingoes with GB and Colombia... should both be reasonably tight games... I'd be awesome if they can wrap up #1 spot in their group.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 05, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
Thunder are having a big day. Could be pivotal for them.

They've beaten Canada 15-12. Impressive.
And a re now locked in a close battler with Japan.

A win could open it right up for them.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tanty on August 05, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
At risk of opening the proverbial can of worms I've been asked by TG to defend the acomplishments ("set people straight" is his words and not mine) of our Beach Worlds boys. Given he's a fringe "lurker" of Ultitalk and therefore hasn't registered yet he wanted me to reiterate that the "Beach Boys" (although he may not have called them so) were the first Aussie team to beat the US on the "world stage" and that they did also get a gold medal. Not that what the Junior girls did isn't buckets of awesome, he just wanted a voice to defend the Beach Boys...
He also felt it necessary to point out that yes callahans are cool, especially at Worlds... just like the callahan he got at Beach Worlds...

But as an aside it looks like all the boys and girls are making us very proud. I'm very impressed with Sweet As' 3 gimp goals, Megan playing with a broken hand is pretty cool too... So love, hugs and kisses to them all... except Tiger, you can't be to affectionate to him. More a sense of mild amusement coupled with the fear that if you're to nice he might follow you home like a stray puppy....

Love, Hugs and Kisses
ANt


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: The Brucemaster on August 05, 2008, 07:46:33 PM
Thunder 16 - Japan 11. Hell yeah Thunder!!! Sounds like they had an epic match: 1h 50m!! White now has 16 assists!!

Random aside, can anyone explain what soft-cap is?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 05, 2008, 08:42:50 PM
Soft cap = time cap. Happens at 100min. I think it's add two to the highest score and play to that.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 05, 2008, 08:47:47 PM
Top 6 in Open is sorted - Canada, Sweden, Japan, USA, Australia and Great Britain. One win in the next phase will guarantee a quarter final berth.

Firetails still have Mexico to play tomorrow. Most likely play Canada in the next phase. Quarter finals spot sealed.

Mundis through to top 6 pool (with Japan, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and USA). Provided Germany don't smash Japan and Canada, a win in this Pool (they play Japan, Canada and GB) should be enough for a semis spot.

Taipans have four to go - US (2nd), Venezuela (10th), Canada (3rd) and New Zealand (6th). One win is enough to secure a semis spot.

Thunder have GB and Germany to play - they'll finish somewhere between 3rd and 6th, meaning they'll be in the semi play-ins.

Terra are in the top 3 pool. Semis spot guaranteed.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 05, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
I don't get the new pools currently up in the Open standings.
May be they need updating.

US chumped Japan a little: 17-11.
Impressive.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 05, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
I'm pretty sure the new pools are right... Open had some kind of funky draw...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: gref on August 05, 2008, 11:23:41 PM
It's interesting that there are still no upsets in Open. We'll see how that pans out in the quarters.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Frank on August 05, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
Ahh yes now the Open pools make sense. When I last looked GB was in that bottom pool (division 2), that didn't make sense, but it appears to be rectified.

I don't want to be a captain bringdown, but is anyone else a little frustrated at the lack of media coverage of this tournament? At the moment it seems we are relying on score updates, blog posts, and PissyMatic updates on good old Ultitalk. What gives? Not to denigrate these fine sources of information, but this is roughly the same coverage that we get for Aussie Nationals (I even got scores sent to me via sms at the last nationals - TECH!).

IIRC, UPA Nationals always have these massive write ups on their website after each day, on all the games. If they can do it for their national champioships surely we could do something similar for this tournament, considering it is WORLDS and there are plenty of frisbee nerds around the world clicking refresh every 5 minutes to see what the scores are doing.

I did have a look at the daily newsletter, it ain't bad but it's not really scratching my itch.


/rant


PS. Go Aussies.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: richie on August 06, 2008, 01:24:24 AM
Media coverage blows. Blockstack TV is the only vision I've seen, and bugger all Aussie stuff on that. Next worlds, we should send someone to cover it. Photos/videos and a report each night. I volunteer :).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 06, 2008, 01:33:16 AM
Match Diesel (http://matchdiesel.blogspot.com) is there and he usually does good write ups of tournaments (UPA Nationals, College Nationals), but from what I've seen elsewhere he spent most of the last two days drunk.

As Seppo laments up the top there in the chat box, there's no local media coverage. I was hunting around the Vancouver Sun, Global BC and CTV BC websites for a mention of ultimate, but there's nothing. On the upside I now know what Brett Farve has for breakfast (oatmeal, sometimes with honey). Bit ordinary. I remember World Clubs being on ABC, 6PR, Nova, the Perth-equivalent of the Sunday Herald Sun (forget the name) and there was a TV crew there but I don't know what channel they were from.

-edit- Oh yeah, Blockstack. Their podcasts have been brilliant. You can read all the blogs you want, but those 10 minute videos are the only thing giving you a sense of the atmosphere there.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 06, 2008, 01:49:11 AM
It's interesting that there are still no upsets in Open. We'll see how that pans out in the quarters.
Venezuela defeating Colombia
Colombia defeated Germany
New Zealand smashing Dutchland

Obviously not the top 6, but it's resulted in 3 of the bottom 5 seeds being in contention for quarters.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 06, 2008, 06:55:02 PM
Haha, has anyone seen the German Junior Open team's stats?
They are definitely relying on 2 players VERY heavily.

http://www.wugc2008.com/team/206 (http://www.wugc2008.com/team/206)

Check out Florian Böhler and Holger Beuttenmüller.

 :o



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Stafman on August 06, 2008, 08:11:47 PM
Am i reading the stats right on the Jnr Women game Terra v Columbia

Did the last point go for 40 minutes???


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: richie on August 06, 2008, 09:13:31 PM
I hope it didn't. That would be quite tiring :). They really need an auto-refresh on the games pages. C'mon Dingos.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Stafman on August 06, 2008, 09:58:37 PM
Bugger. Dingoes lost to USA 17-11.

Close with only one break to USA up till about 11-10. Then USA got 5 points in a row.

Ultivillage had game live, although my bloody work connection was not fast enough, so it kept freezing at key moments!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: ash_5 on August 06, 2008, 10:14:08 PM
Haha, has anyone seen the German Junior Open team's stats?
They are definitely relying on 2 players VERY heavily.

http://www.wugc2008.com/team/206 (http://www.wugc2008.com/team/206)

Check out Florian Böhler and Holger Beuttenmüller.

 :o


hahah 51 assists!think hes a key player for their team??


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tassie Joe on August 07, 2008, 01:31:14 AM
Ultivillage had game live, although my bloody work connection was not fast enough, so it kept freezing at key moments!

Everyone I've spoken to had similar problems.  I don't think it was a problem with your network.
Was anyone able to watch the game properly on UltiVillage?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 07, 2008, 01:47:17 AM
Ultivillage had game live, although my bloody work connection was not fast enough, so it kept freezing at key moments!

Everyone I've spoken to had similar problems.  I don't think it was a problem with your network.
Was anyone able to watch the game properly on UltiVillage?

My viewing experience was pretty good.
Only lagged for a short time about 3-4 times in 90+ minutes.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 07, 2008, 02:30:24 AM
I think we might get the Terra v Colombia semi final on UVtv, because that's the Day 6 showcase game (10:15am EST)

But how about tomorrow... four Aussie teams (Dingos, Firetails, Mundis and Thunder) playing against Great Britain for spots in the semis!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Frank on August 07, 2008, 03:30:49 AM
Poor Pommies, gonna cop it sweet I think.

It's 'Ashes Day' at WUGC2008


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 07, 2008, 03:38:36 AM
I've tried 3 different computers for watching the live casts, 2 with normally excellent internet speed, and it all sucked. Audio was fine, but the video lagged considerably.

Note for anyone watching the games, keep your mouse handy... At every call and in between every point, press pause and then play again to catch the video up to the current point in time... of course, this does mean that you miss bits of the game, but unless there are long passages of smooth play, hopefully you'll only be skipping discussions and people standing on the line...
Of course, if you hear exciting commentary, don't do this because then it'll catch the video up to a later point, so you'll miss something exciting.

Speaking of exciting... Nield, hey? Wow.
Wish I'd seen Gus' catch, too... sounded good, we had chronic skipping and pretty much got "before and after" frames...
Tubby, your D was pretty sick too.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on August 07, 2008, 05:12:32 AM
All the teams are going well. All teams are through to the quarters! YEAH!

Come on the Aussies!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 07, 2008, 06:30:19 AM
As I've posted on a mini-blog thingy I've been updating Victorians with....

Dingos - Play the winner of Great Britain/Italy in the Quarter Final. Semi opponent will be Canada or Finland/NZ. Buzz Bullets (Japan) will play (Sockeye) in the other semi (of course assuming they win their quarter finals).

Firetails - Play Great Britain in the Quarter Final. Semi opponent will be Japan or Colombia. Canada v NZ and USA v Germany make up the rest of the quarters.

Barramundis - One more Pool C game against Great Britain. Win, and the Mundis will be in the Semi Final versus either Japan, Canada or USA. Lose, and they drop to the 5th-8th bracket with two of France, Italy and Chinese Taipei.

Taipans - Two pool games to go, versus Canada and New Zealand. Can't miss semis, along with USA and Canada. NZ would need to lose to Germany (9th) to miss out, but even then it's not likely.

Thunder - Play Great Britain for a spot in the Semi Final against Canada (who they beat in pool play). Colombia play Germany for the right to face the US in the other semi.

Terra - Play Colombia in the Semi Final. Japan to play the winner of US v Canada in the other semi.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 07, 2008, 06:15:41 PM
ouch...looks like Jnr Boys conceded the last 4 points to go down 17-15 to the Brits....thats gotta hurt. Got ovr the top of the Brits in womens and mied though


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Staples on August 07, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
ouch... Dingos go down to GB also.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: The Brucemaster on August 07, 2008, 08:55:11 PM
Makes it 2 for the poms in 'Ashes Day'. Terra just scored to make it 8-7 Colombia.

EDIT: Colombia take half 9-7.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: richie on August 07, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
They're talking to Mama, and I don't have sound. Grrr.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 07, 2008, 09:52:28 PM
15-14 colombia V Terra

terra have brought the game alot closer than it was before, common girls you can do it!

-Dave

EDIT - 15-15 WOOOO!

EDIT2 - Soft cap called, girls scored after, so game to 17? (game is currently 16-15 terra up!)


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: richie on August 07, 2008, 10:00:15 PM
W000t. Go Terra. Well done girls. Huge comeback. I suppose I should do some work now :).


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 07, 2008, 10:02:16 PM
Yeahyah!

Terra beat out colombia and are now in the finals!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 07, 2008, 10:03:40 PM
That was a great game to watch.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 07, 2008, 10:06:40 PM
wish i had the Utv thingy so i could of watched the match... ahhh well ill wait for the ultivillage DVD


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 07, 2008, 10:08:24 PM
Fantastic game! And I got a mention on the webcast :D


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 07, 2008, 10:10:23 PM
lolz what did they say about you pissy?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 07, 2008, 10:16:52 PM
wish i had the Utv thingy so i could of watched the match... ahhh well ill wait for the ultivillage DVD

You could access today's showcase game off the Ultivillage homepage.
I think they're only making you pay for the Finals.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 07, 2008, 10:19:59 PM
FUCK!

lolz wish i had known that zzzz


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Joe - Barefoot on August 07, 2008, 10:25:18 PM
Haha, hard luck.

Cat Phillips' unhesitant, uncontested strip call to see the Colombian's to go up 15-14 was extremely spirited.
Aussies rock.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 07, 2008, 10:30:14 PM
i was at work...couldnt watch...did press refresh every 3 seconds! yeah terra! what did they say about you simmo?

i was really suprised about the open result....just lost it in the second half looked like?

still 3 medal contenders


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 07, 2008, 11:11:24 PM
They were talking about the lack of wind and how Aussies were probably used to adverse weather. They got an email from Kristy Greenfield talking about Newcastle so I sent one as well saying that 4 of the Terra girls were from the Ballarat area, where it's always cold and windy.

Ten minutes later, Mama was guest commentating and talking about where in Australia the girls come from and mentioned about 5 or 6 being from Melbourne. It was at that point where they started reading my email - "...four of the girls are from the Ballarat area, where..."

Mama: "Thanks for picking that up Pissy!"


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 08, 2008, 12:17:59 AM
rofl now your known on the world stage as pissy and not simon!

awesome IMO!


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 08, 2008, 02:59:17 AM
(sent this to aus-ultimate as well)

Can anyone set up some kind of chat channel for the next couple of days, where we can have a big group chat while watching score updates/UltiVillage webcasts? I know it was done for the World Games final a couple of years ago (though I didn't find out till afterward... dammit), and everyone said it was awesome. With Dingos and Thunder playing for 5th, Firetails, Mundis and Taipans playing semis, and Terra playing in the final (yeah Terra!), I imagine I won't be the only person glued to their computer...

I found this email from last time with some instructions for users, but I don't know how to set this up: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aus-ultimate/message/2629
Anyone?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 08, 2008, 03:02:14 AM
someone smart prolly knows how to set one up

but ultitalk does have an inbuilt chat already


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 08, 2008, 03:08:18 AM
Update!

30seconds of looking (googled "setting up a public chat room")

and this came up:
http://www.ehow.com/how_12157_make-own-webtv.html

if no one can really be bothered setting on up ill do it
also going to keep looking for a better/easier chatroom feature (havnt rly fully check this one out)
will update when/if i do

-Dave

Update - Also wanted to point out Msn can create chatrooms within your contact lists, as well as Facebook prolly has a chatroom application someone could dig up to do this

Update2 - i created a basic chatroom that anyone can access

link is : http://www.chatzy.com/995609041392
Password is : aussie

once you go to the link its pretty easy to figure out how to log in but if there is any problems ill write somthing up to help you guys


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 08, 2008, 03:19:48 AM
From Simmo:

Hi all,

- Go to http://mibbit.com/
- Under "Connect to IRC", put your Nick (whatever you want it to be), and under channel type "#aussiewugc"
- Hit 'Go' and it should load up a chat window. Grey bar down the bottom is where you enter text.

Give it a try now :)

Cheers,
Simon


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: JMc on August 08, 2008, 03:21:40 AM
@Kablamo: MSN/Facebook both need people to have accounts... was after something public.
Your second update was probably sweet, but already got Simmo's reply, so posted that one. It's also been posted to the aus-ultimate group, so probably will have a lot more people. Cheers though.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Kablamo on August 08, 2008, 03:23:11 AM
Yea IRC is way better anyway, lags way less on responses...infact doesnt delay at all i just hardly ever use IRC and forgot all about it XD



Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on August 08, 2008, 05:24:24 AM
So, what teams are through and what teams are knocked out?

What time is the final?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: suj on August 08, 2008, 06:40:59 AM
so wat's wrong with the ultitalk chat?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 08, 2008, 07:31:49 AM
People are lazy and don't want to register.


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 08, 2008, 08:15:15 AM
will the junior womens final be on ulti village...from the wbesite it looks like it might not


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: simmo on August 08, 2008, 08:33:25 AM
The commentators this morning said they were. WHO TO BELIEVE?


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: a1214 on August 08, 2008, 09:43:29 AM
well uv said that my acct would be activated in 24 hours its been about 6 days now...


Title: Re: WUGC 2008
Post by: MattA on August 08, 2008, 09:43:15 PM
Aus Masters down 15-17 in close bronze medal play off with Kiwis.
bugger,
great effort all week boys.

beers on me.

cheers
mattA


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