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Title: City rankings
Post by: simmo on February 01, 2007, 08:49:45 PM
Originally posted on aus.sport.frisbee, but I'll post it here as well...

This list ranks cities in Australian ultimate based on results at Nationals (+ regionals), Mixed Nats, World Clubs and AUG (+ regionals) over the last 2-3 years.

Overall rankings (as at 1/1/07)
1. Sydney (144.86)
2. Melbourne (108.38)
3. Brisbane (80.81)
4. Canberra (62.22)
5. Perth (46.88)
6. Adelaide (45.38)
7. Newcastle (40.90)
8. New Zealand (24.50)
9. Ballarat (16.69)
10. Wollongong (11.54)
11. Hobart (10.50)
12. Manly (8.00)
13. Singapore (2.00)
14. Townsville (1.81)
15. Bathurst (1.06)
16. Gold Coast (0.75)
17. Northern Territory (0.25)
18. Byron Bay (0.19)
19. Central Coast (0.13)
20. Coffs Harbour (0.13)
21. Wodonga (0.13)

Open
1. Sydney (69.56)
2. Melbourne (46.31)
3. Brisbane (26.75)
4. Canberra (13.50)
5. Newcastle (9.59)
6. Perth (7.81)
7. New Zealand (6.50)
8. Wollongong (6.04)
9. Hobart (4.63)
10. Adelaide (4.13)
11. Singapore (2.00)
12. Ballarat (1.06)
13. Northern Territory (0.25)
14. Byron Bay (0.19)

Women
1. Sydney (33.63)
2. Melbourne (20.69)
3. New Zealand (18.00)
4. Canberra (10.00)
5. Manly (8.00)
6. Brisbane (5.31)
7. Adelaide (2.56)
8. Newcastle (2.50)
9. Wollongong (2.00)
10. Perth (1.25)

Mixed
1. Brisbane (48.75)
2. Sydney (41.47)
3. Melbourne (41.38)
4. Canberra (38.72)
5. Adelaide (38.69)
6. Perth (37.81)
7. Newcastle (28.81)
8. Ballarat (15.69)
9. Hobart (5.88)
10. Wollongong (3.50)
11. Townsville (1.81)
12. Bathurst (1.06)
13. Gold Coast (0.75)
14. Central Coast (0.13)
15. Coffs Harbour (0.13)
16. Wodonga (0.13)

Per capita
1. Manly
2. Canberra
3. Ballarat
4. Newcastle
5. Hobart
6. Brisbane
7. Wollongong
8. Adelaide
9. Sydney
10. Perth
11. Byron Bay
12. Melbourne
13. Bathurst
14. Townsville
15. New Zealand
16. Coffs Harbour
17. Gold Coast
18. Wodonga
19. Northern Territory
20. Central Coast
21. Singapore


Next update will be after regionals.

*Note - This isn't an official list endorsed by AFDA or anything like that. It was something I did out of interest because I was bored a couple of weeks ago


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: PiersTruter on February 02, 2007, 10:07:18 PM
What do the numbers mean? How have you scored this?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on February 04, 2007, 01:28:45 AM
Prepare to be confuddled, Piers...

I'm going to use a mythical tournament with the top 8 cities competing.

1) Take the final standings of the tournament and give teams the number of points inverse to their position.

1st - Sydney (8pts)
2nd - Melbourne (7pts)
3rd - Brisbane (6pts)
4th - Canberra (5pts)
5th - Perth (4pts)
6th - Adelaide (3pts)
7th - Newcastle (2pts)
8th - New Zealand (1pt)


2) The top 4 get bonus points, depending on how many teams are in the tournament. The winner gets 2 points for every four teams in the tournament. 2nd place gets 1 point for every four teams, and 3rd and 4th get half a point.

In this case, Sydney gets 4 extra points (8 teams in the tournament), Melbourne gets 2, and Brisbane and Canberra one each.

1st - Sydney (12pts)
2nd - Melbourne (9pts)
3rd - Brisbane (7pts)
4th - Canberra (6pts)
5th - Perth (4pts)
6th - Adelaide (3pts)
7th - Newcastle (2pts)
8th - New Zealand (1pt)


3) The points are weighted, depending on which tournament they are from.
Nationals - 100%
Mixed Nationals - 75%
AUG - 50%
Qualifying events (Regionals and regional Uni Games) - 25%

I did think about including some of the more regular tournaments (eg: Halibut) but then there would be a case of "why this tourney and not that one", so I've kept it to these four tournaments.


4) To keep the rankings current, points lose half their value each year (for the previous two years).
Current year - 100%
Previous year - 50%
Year before that - 25%

So for the current rankings, they are made up of 50% of points gained in 2006, and 25% from 2005. There are no points for 2007 yet.


Any questions?


A few notes...
- Manly are seperate from Sydney as there a few teams that have been to Nationals that are listed as specifically being Manly-based
- For some teams (Deathstar, Thong, Fear Discinsonia) the points have been divided up between cities
- I was going to have the points expire after each relevant tournament (eg 2004 Nationals points expire at 2007 Nationals), but instead they all just expire at the end of the year. The only change between 31/12/06 (25% of 2004, 50% of 2005, 100% of 2006) and 1/1/07 (25% of 2005, 50% of 2006) is that Hobart went above Manly.
- Per Capita is simply points divided by population.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: PiersTruter on February 07, 2007, 06:13:34 AM
Thank you for the explanation. :)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Seppo on February 09, 2007, 07:50:49 PM
Wow Simmo, that's some serious mathematics you got working there.   :o  Nice work!

When you say "Per Capita", are you referring to the number of players coming from that particular suburb/city?  It's nice to see Manly at the top of the list (my old stomping ground), but is that result actually correct?   ???

- Seppo


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on February 11, 2007, 06:54:19 AM
Yeah it's points divided by population (x by 10,000 or so to make the numbers readable). For Manly's population, Wikipedia lists Manly Council's population as 38,868. However I wouldn't expect them to hold that spot for long - probably not beyond Nationals as Canberra isn't far behind (2.058 to 1,916). Ballarat is on 1.88, but there's no open or women's team from us this year.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Tassie Joe on February 12, 2007, 09:41:35 PM
Yeah, nice list, and interesting stats.
Good to see that we (Tassie) can be in the top 5 of something Ulti related.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on March 12, 2007, 06:52:00 AM
Update after Regionals results from around the country.

Overall
1. Sydney (156.78) (-)
2. Melbourne (116.12) (-)
3. Brisbane (84.06) (-)
4. Canberra (62.72) (-)
5. Perth (46.87) (-)
6. Adelaide (46.75) (-)
7. Newcastle (44.65) (-)
8. New Zealand (24.50) (-)
9. Ballarat (17.44) (-)
10. Wollongong (12.79) (-)
11. Hobart (11.62) (-)
12. Manly (9.87) (-)
13. Townsville (2.31) (+1)
14. Singapore (2.00) (-1)
15. West Sydney (1.25) (New)
16. Bathurst (1.06) (-1)
17. Gold Coast (0.75) (-1)
18. Byron Bay (0.69) (-)
19. Northern Territory (0.25) (-2)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-1)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-1)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-1)


Men
1. Sydney (78.06) (-)
2. Melbourne (50.19) (-)
3. Brisbane (29.25) (-)
4. Canberra (16.25) (-)
5. Newcastle (11.58) (-)
6. Perth (7.81) (-)
7. Wollongong (7.04) (+1)
8. New Zealand (6.50) (-1)
9. Adelaide (5.25) (+1)
10. Hobart (5.12) (-1)
11. Singapore (2.00) (-)
12. Ballarat (1.81) (-)
13. West Sydney (0.75) (New)
14. Byron Bay (0.69) (-)
15. Townsville (0.50) (New)
16. Northern Territory (0.25) (-3)


Women
1. Sydney (37.25) (-)
2. Melbourne (24.56) (-)
3. New Zealand (18.00) (-)
4. Canberra (10.75) (-)
5. Manly (9.12) (-)
6. Brisbane (6.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (4.25) (+1)
8. Adelaide (2.81) (-1)
9. Wollongong (2.25) (-)
10. Perth (1.25) (-)
11. West Sydney (0.50) (New)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (-)
3. Ballarat (-)
4. Byron Bay (+7)
5. Newcastle (-1)
6. Hobart (-1)
7. Brisbane (-1)
8. Wollongong (-1)
9. Adelaide (-1)
10. Sydney (-1)
11. Melbourne (+1)
12. Perth (-2)
13. Townsville (+1)
14. Bathurst (-1)
15. New Zealand
16. Coffs Harbour
17. Gold Coast
18. Wodonga
19. Northern Territory
20. Central Coast
21. Singapore


Notes
- THOR's points are split between Townsville and Byron Bay. Heads Of State are split between Ballarat and Melbourne.
- West Sydney are not in the Per Capita list because it is too difficult to get a population for that region, even at a guess.


Not much shifting, given that points aren't worth much at smaller tournaments, and also only get 25% value. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra aren't likely to shift at Nationals. However with the Southern region looking particularly strong this year, and being on home turf, Melbourne could close the gap on Sydney.

As expected, Byron Bay have leapfrogged most of the pack in the Per Capita list, and will almost certainly top the list after Nationals if THOR can finish better than second last.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: thebozzman on March 31, 2007, 03:45:35 AM
Do Bathurst gain any points for the people who played for another team in regionals?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 01, 2007, 01:43:31 AM
No. It all goes by where the teams are based, not where the players are from.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 26, 2007, 04:44:27 AM
Updated after Nationals...

Overall
1. Sydney (220.28) (-)
2. Melbourne (181.12) (-)
3. Brisbane (104.06) (-)
4. Canberra (88.22) (-)
5. Newcastle (64.65) (+2)
6. Perth (61.37) (-1)
7. Adelaide (55.75) (-1)
8. Manly (27.37) (+4)
9. New Zealand (24.5) (-2)
10. Ballarat (22.44) (-1)
11. Wollongong (19.29) (-1)
12. Hobart (16.12) (-1)
13. Townsville (3.31) (-)
14. Singapore (2.00) (-)
15. Byron Bay (1.69) (+3)
16. West Sydney (1.25) (-1)
17. Bathurst (1.06) (-1)
18. Gold Coast (0.75) (-1)
19. Northern Territory (0.25) (-)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-)

...I'll post the Mens, Womens and Per Capita lists later tonight.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 27, 2007, 01:31:29 AM
...or maybe even today.

Men
1. Sydney (109.06) (-)
2. Melbourne (82.19) (-)
3. Brisbane (38.25) (-)
4. Canberra (29.75) (-)
5. Newcastle (23.58) (-)
6. Perth (18.81) (-)
7. Wollongong (12.54) (-)
8. Adelaide (12.25) (+1)
9. Ballarat (6.81) (+3)
10. New Zealand (6.50) (-2)
11. Hobart (6.12) (-1)
12. Singapore (2.00) (-1)
13. Byron Bay (1.69) (+1)
14. Townsville (1.50) (+1)
15. West Sydney (0.75) (-2)
16. Northern Territory (0.25) (-)


Women
1. Sydney (69.75) (-)
2. Melbourne (57.56) (-)
3. Manly (22.62) (+2)
4. Canberra (19.75) (-)
5. New Zealand (18.00) (-2)
6. Brisbane (17.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (12.25) (-)
8. Adelaide (4.81) (-)
9. Perth (4.75) (+1)
10. Wollongong (3.25) (-1)
11. West Sydney (0.50) (-)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Byron Bay (+2)
3. Canberra (-1)
4. Ballarat (-1)
5. Newcastle (-)
6. Hobart (-)
7. Wollongong (+1)
8. Brisbane (-1)
9. Sydney (+1)
10. Melbourne (+1)
11. Adelaide (-2)
12. Perth (-)
13. Townsville (-)
14. Bathurst (-)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Coffs Harbour (-)
17. Gold Coast (-)
18. Wodonga (-)
19. NT (-)
20. Central Coast (-)
21. Singapore (-)


This year I am including NUFL events, with a weighting of 75%. The next update will be in July, after the regional uni events.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 30, 2007, 04:51:28 AM
Thanks Jeremy for pointing out I forgot to put Hobart in the Women's list. Here's the new one.

Women
1. Sydney (69.75) (-)
2. Melbourne (57.56) (-)
3. Manly (22.62) (+2)
4. Canberra (19.75) (-)
5. New Zealand (18.00) (-2)
6. Brisbane (17.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (12.25) (-)
8. Adelaide (4.81) (-)
9. Perth (4.75) (+1)
10. Hobart (4.12) (New)
11. Wollongong (3.25) (-2)
12. West Sydney (0.50) (-1)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 25, 2007, 08:02:00 AM
It's been a while...

Updated after Uni Games and Mixed Nationals...

Mixed
1. Sydney (157.72) (+1)
2. Melbourne (102.62) (+1)
3. Brisbane (98.75) (-2)
4. Canberra (76.97) (-)
5. Adelaide (62.44) (-)
6. Perth (46.32) (-)
7. Newcastle (43.81) (-)
8. Hobart (21.37) (+1)
9. Ballarat (19.69) (-1)
10. Wollongong (10.25) (-)
11. Hills (8.25) (New)
12. New Zealand (6.5) (New)
13. Gold Coast (2.25) (-)
14. Bathurst (2.06) (-2)
15. Townsville (1.81) (-4)
16. Manly (1.5) (New)
17. Central Coast (0.12) (-3)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-3)
19. Wodonga (0.12) (-3)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (+1)
3. Ballarat (+1)
4. Byron Bay (-2)
5. Hobart (+1)
6. Newcastle (-1)
7. Wollongong (-)
8. Brisbane (-)
9. Sydney (-)
10. Adelaide (+1)
11. Melbourne (-1)
12. Perth (-)
13. Bathurst (+1)
14. Townsville (-1)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Gold Coast (+1)
17. Coffs Harbour (-1)
18. Wodonga (-)
19. NT (-)
20. Central Coast (-)
21. Singapore (-)


Leaving the final standings for 2007 like this...

Overall
1. Sydney (336.53) (-)
2. Melbourne (242.37) (-)
3. Brisbane (154.06) (-)
4. Canberra (126.47) (-)
5. Newcastle (79.65) (-)
6. Adelaide (79.5) (+1)
7. Perth (69.87) (-1)
8. Hobart (31.62) (+4)
9. New Zealand (31.00) (-)
10. Manly (28.87) (-2)
11. Ballarat (26.44) (-1)
12. Wollongong (26.04) (-1)
13. Hills (9.50) (+3)
14. Townsville (3.31) (-1)
15. Gold Coast (2.25) (+3)
16. Bathurst (2.06) (+1)
17. Singapore (2.00) (-3)
18. Byron Bay (1.69) (-3)
19. NT (0.25) (-)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: JMc on October 25, 2007, 09:56:36 AM
Hey Pissy, explain something to me.

As I recall, Brisbane Mixed results in 2006:
1st at Worlds qualifier (special event)
2nd & 17th? at AUG
2nd & 6-8? at Mixed Nats
9th at WUCC (special event)
And this gave us first place in Mixed... you'd almost say daylight second, with over 7 points lead.

Brisbane Mixed results in 2007:
1st, 10-12? (QUT) and 17-20? (GU) at AUG
1st and 22? at Mixed Nats
Yet Brisbane drops back to #3, with Sydney light-years ahead of everyone.

How does this happen?
Did Worlds qualifier & WUCC hold that much weight in '06?
Was it the contribution of Eastern and Southern Mixed Regionals, and the non-existence of Northern?

I'm just kinda curious how taking out AUG and MN back to back causes us to drop down...


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: rachelg on October 25, 2007, 05:41:23 PM
I suspect it has more to do with the number of high placings a city gets. e.g. Sydney got 5 teams in the top 8 at mixed nats, whereas Brissie just had 1
Of course I have no idea and could be wrong :)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 25, 2007, 09:14:19 PM
I have to agree with JMac, I was very surprised last time when we were number 1, but after Brisbane's recent Mixed year, for once was thinking we were number 1 on your list hands down.  Don't exactly remember the algorithm you use, but with Sydney getting a lot of middle spots could up their points quickly i assume.  Other htan that, you must change your weightings everytime you run it, lessening the weight of previous events and giving more to more recent.  Anyways, it is cool to see some quantitative analysis done for ulty, so keep it up!


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 25, 2007, 10:51:53 PM
I suspect it has more to do with the number of high placings a city gets. e.g. Sydney got 5 teams in the top 8 at mixed nats, whereas Brissie just had 1
Of course I have no idea and could be wrong :)
You're right on the money Rach. Sydney's poor showing at Mixed Nats 06 (3 teams, highest place was 9th I think) gave them a lower ranking, while Brisbane had two in the top 10. Whereas this year Sydney had 9 teams (with 5 in the top 8) and Brisbane had two again (1st and 21st).

Quote from: ulty_arnie
Other htan that, you must change your weightings everytime you run it, lessening the weight of previous events and giving more to more recent.
Yep. Only 50% of 2006 points and 25% of 2005 points go towards the total. Once 2008 ticks over it'll become 100% of 2008, 50% of 2007 and 25% of 2006.

Next year I'll be including more tournaments that attract traveling teams, such as Halibut, Shenanigans and Stampede.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 26, 2007, 03:07:07 AM
Awesome, that is good stuff Pissy!


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: thebozzman on October 26, 2007, 04:24:24 AM
What about spirit rankings... Only way we'd see bathurst anywhere near the top ;)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Tiger on October 26, 2007, 10:42:18 AM
Or in terms of the party....

Good idea, Simmo. I understand the bias in 'why this tournament, but not that?' style of argument but the fact remains, if any university/state/city is serious about its Ultimate - or really likes getting drunk - Halibut or the Stampede, definitely contenders. I mean, honestly, I knew nobody in the Ultimate community before the 2007 Stampede. Now look at me, I have enemies from coast to coast - if that's not a clear indication of the high level of such tournies, then what is?

T.
ps the best thing I ever did was go to the Stampede... I got held against the wall by SUUFA, flashed by Mac, beaten by Newcastle/Sydney, shut down Chris Warris (although as I understand he hadn't slept/was still drunk) I can't wait until next year!


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Robbie on October 26, 2007, 08:17:30 PM
Wouldn't the spirit rankings just be the other rankings in reverse?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 27, 2007, 12:51:29 AM
Wouldn't the spirit rankings just be the other rankings in reverse?
Hmm...a spirit skeptic are we, Robbie?

Sublime won spirit at 06 Mixed Nats and finished 3rd overall. Fakulti won spirit at WUCC, finishing 6th (?) out of 21. Spider Pig won both spirit and overall at NSWMUC this year. It's not always the chump teams that win spirit  ;D


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: littletom on October 27, 2007, 06:56:38 PM
Just to clarify simmo, it was Pie Wagon that won both the tournament and spirit at the NSWMUC. Barefoot came 2nd in spirit and 3rd overall at nationals.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: thebozzman on October 27, 2007, 08:32:05 PM
Correct if I am wrong too, but didn't Ballarat Uni tie for the spirit prize at AUG's??

Spirit isn't about giving max points to teams that aren't great at Ultimate.

To me, spirit is about trying the hardest and giving props to people doing awesome things. It's about playing for the love of the game, not just to win.

I'd rather lose a competitive game then win a white-wash.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: wetnose on October 27, 2007, 11:24:48 PM
At Halibut 2007, Pie Wagon won the tournament and spirit from memory.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Tiger on October 28, 2007, 05:22:17 AM
Spirit isn't about giving max points to teams that aren't great at Ultimate.

Classic example: NUFL1 in Sydney. Don't know if you juniors with your goldfish memories remember back that far, Robbie, but Firestorm vs Fakulti game had 10 spirit all round.

I dare you to say that either teams are chumps.

Spirit is about respecting the game and its players - not making dodgy calls, appreciating wikkid bids or throws (regardless of which team they come from) and that great feeling you get at the end of a well-Spirited game, win or lose, when everyone circles up and the loser team can't think of what to say because the game was just enjoyable, irrespective of the outcome.

T.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Robbie on October 29, 2007, 05:06:56 PM
And where did Panic! at the Disc Finish at youth nats spirit wise? ;D As for my previous post...i was attempting humor but failed once again. However thats usually the way it works in SA...Fury always come last in spirit because we win everything...go figure (MIXED LEAGUE FINALS TOMORROW!)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Tassie Joe on October 29, 2007, 08:48:52 PM
Fury always come last in spirit because we win everything...go figure

As has been demonstrated by other people here, it is quite possible to win everything AND win spirit.
Do you think that, possibly, coming last in spirit might have something to do with some other factors?  Like, maybe, chill out a little?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 29, 2007, 09:32:11 PM
Fury always come last in spirit because we win everything
I doubt that's the reason.

-edit- or I could've just read Joe's post


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 29, 2007, 09:40:06 PM
Spirit is a very subjective part of ultimate.  I think we need to learn from Tiger and keep spirit binary.  Either a team was spirited or not.  Spirit is purely and simple 'respecting the game and its players.'  This is all it is about.  The rules are set up so that you have to respect the game and its players.  Now, this just means playing fairly.  If you go for a D and they call foul, if you think you fouled them, uncontest, and if not, contest.  It is simple and that is the heart of spirit.  is it unspirited to celebrate when you score, NO.  It should have no affect on the other team that you are happy with yourselves.  People always construe HoS as unspirited, but htey are actually really enthusiastic, which is great!  They have great spirit.  They respect the game, make fair calls always, and are freaking amazingly passionate about the game too!  

Think about it this way, you play a team who makes BS calls throughout the game and gives you attitude on the field, but afterwards does a spirit circle, gives out MVP prizes, and compliments everyone on your team about something.  Will you consider them spirited?  I don't think I have met someone who would consider them spirited.  Becuase all that other stuff is unecessary, the part of spirit that matters is when you are on the field playing.  If you cheat or make awful calls consistently, give a lot of attitude, you are not respecting the game nor the other players, and inherenlty unspirited.  Lets move away from this, they didn't make any questionable calls, but they had that one guy who was really obnoxious when they scored, spirit score 5.  Spirit isn't a chance to get revenge, or try and alter personality traits, it is pure and simple, did they play fairly?

Moving back to the original focus of this post, Simmo, have you seen this?
http://www.santabarbaraultimate.com/Pg/OpenStandings.html

The yanks have stolen your idea, though they don't weigh them accordingly    


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: rjhberg on October 29, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
I have created a new topic to deal with the questions about Spirit.

Back to the topic though:

Simmo - have you considered factoring in % of players on the WUGC squad from each region? maybe as a % of the player base?

Could be an interesting addition


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 30, 2007, 04:17:43 PM
Moving back to the original focus of this post, Simmo, have you seen this?
http://www.santabarbaraultimate.com/Pg/OpenStandings.html

The yanks have stolen your idea, though they don't weigh them accordingly   
Truth be told, I stole it off them  ;D


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Robbie on October 30, 2007, 05:10:43 PM

Fury always come last in spirit because we win everything...go figure

As has been demonstrated by other people here, it is quite possible to win everything AND win spirit.
Do you think that, possibly, coming last in spirit might have something to do with some other factors?  Like, maybe, chill out a little?

Oh yeah...you don't think it would be to do with the joel P factor do you? ;D I Just think that a few of our players (Joel, Sweet As, Myself) live, breathe and eat frisbee. it's hard to keep control with such a passion! i also think that in SA, Say Fury came last in spirit We'd still probably have a score of around 8...so i guess our spirit is ok but other clubs just go the extra mile. I think that something to remember is that at a NUFL level for example, a poor spirited game will still have a great deal amount more spirit than a football game or soccer game at the same level. Ultimat is just naturally spirited well and that's what i love about the sport and players!


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: JdR on November 15, 2007, 12:54:42 AM
Since this seems to be the thread for math/theory wonks, so I'd invite some independent input on this one.

For the upcoming Qld end of year bash, I'm putting together rules to judge a 'Club of the Year'.  Rather than the AFDA approach, I've started by pinching Pottsy's old points-based Walkabout rules from afda.com, and modified from there.

The full speil is over at http://brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/2007/11/thunking-up-queensland-club-of-year.html

If you figure its any good, you're welcome to pinch this for your own local state awards if you want - let me know how you go.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on November 15, 2007, 11:57:05 PM
Really depends on how you define 'club' up there Jase.

In Victoria, here's the criteria (for club funding, hence club status)

- The club must be ongoing and have a leadership structure
- The club must have an open approach to recruiting
- The club must be willing to represent Victoria at a national level (in appropriate division)
- The club must then contribute to developing Ultimate in Victoria by:
  • Running at least one event per year (may include leagues)
  • Providing volunteers to assist the VFDA at least once per year when requested (e.g. Melbourne Hat)
  • Providing a club representative to one of the weekly social competitions each week (to act as a captain)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 27, 2008, 08:52:53 AM
Exciting times here in Casa de Talbot et al. Hence this being updated about 8 hours after Nationals was done.

Men
1. Sydney (84.06)
2. Melbourne (69.16)
3. Brisbane (31.87)
4. Canberra (31.62)
5. Newcastle (27.62)
6. New Zealand (18.25) +4
7. Perth (16.50) -1
8. Adelaide (14.31) -1
9. Wollongong (10.19) -1
10. Byron Bay (3.62) +3
=11. Ballarat (3.37) -2
=11. Manly (3.37) -1
13. Hobart (2.06) -1
14. Townsville (1.87)
15. Hills District (0.62)


Women
1. Sydney (79.25)
2. Melbourne (46.37)
3. New Zealand (29.00) +2
4. Canberra (20.00)
5. Brisbane (14.87) +1
6. Newcastle (13.87) +1
7. Manly (11.31) -4
8. Hobart (10.69) +1
9. Adelaide (6.25) -1
10. Perth (5.75)
11. Wollongong (1.75)
12. Hills District (0.37)


Overall
1. Sydney (233.16)
2. Melbourne (160.84)
3. Brisbane (91.62)
4. Canberra (86.18)
5. Newcastle (61.44)
6. New Zealand (50.50) +2
7. Adelaide (47.28) -1
8. Perth (44.34) -1
9. Hobart (23.43)
10. Wollongong (15.74) +2
11. Manly (15.44) -1
12. Ballarat (12.34) -2
13. Hills District (7.50)
14. Byron Bay (3.62) +2
15. Townsville (1.93)
16. Bathurst (1.37) -2
17. Gold Coast (0.75)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.06)
19. Wodonga (0.06)


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 27, 2008, 09:01:42 AM
Couple of notes...
- Points earned by Taipans didn't count towards any city.
- Points earned by Factory Gong at Eastern Regionals were split 50/50 between Wollongong and Canberra.
- NUFL will be counted this year, with a weighting of 75% (that's if they actually settle on a winner this time around)
- Mixed tournaments counting this year will be Stampede (25%), Shenanigans (25%), Halibut (25%), AUG (50%), State Mixed Champs (25%) and Mixed Nationals (75%).


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: wetnose on April 28, 2008, 03:37:06 AM
- NUFL will be counted this year, with a weighting of 75% (that's if they actually settle on a winner this time around)

What ratio or system will you be using to allocate the points from NUFL with teams such as "SubFoot" and "FireKarma" playing?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on April 28, 2008, 05:37:42 AM
Dunno.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: Jangles on May 02, 2008, 01:39:43 AM
i dont think nufl should really count as it isnt really club based despite its attempt to be some what fixed


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on November 06, 2008, 10:54:04 PM
I didn't end up counting Halibut and Stampede and whatever else, so here's the Mixed standings following AUG and Mixed Nats 2008...

1. Sydney (149.09) (-)
2. Melbourne (128.06) (-)
3. Brisbane (74.63) (-)
4. Adelaide (74.47) (+2)
5. Canberra (64.81) (-1)
6. Newcastle (49.19) (-1)
7. Perth (37.60) (-)
8. New Zealand (13.75)    (-)
9. Hills District (13.13) (+4)
10. Hobart (12.94) (-1)
11. Ballarat (10.97) (-)
12. Wollongong (6.31) (-)
13. Townsville (3.81) (+2)
14. Gold Coast (2.25) (+2)
15. Bathurst (0.88) (-1)
16. Manly (0.75) (-6)
17. Coffs Harbour (0.06) (-)
18. Wodonga (0.06) (-)



And the Overall standings at the end of 2008...

1. Sydney (312.41) (-)
2. Melbourne (243.60) (-)
3. Brisbane (121.37) (-)
4. Canberra (116.44) (-)
5. Adelaide (95.03) (+2)
6. Newcastle (90.69) (-1)
7. New Zealand (61.00) (-1)
8. Perth (59.84) (-)
9. Hobart (25.69) (-)
10. Wollongong (18.25) (-)
11. Hills District (16.50) (+2)
12. Manly (15.44) (-1)
13. Ballarat (14.34) (-1)
14. Townsville (5.69) (+1)
15. Byron Bay (3.63) (-1)
16. Gold Coast (2.25) (+1)
17. Bathurst (1.37) (-1)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.06) (-)
19. Wodonga (0.06) (-)



And the Per Capita rankings...

1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (-)
3. Newcastle (+3)
4. Byron Bay (-)
5. Ballarat (-2)
6. Hobart (-1)
7. Adelaide (+3)
8. Sydney (+1)
9. Wollongong (-2)
10. Brisbane (-2)
11. Melbourne (-)
12. Townsville (+2)
13. Perth (-1)
14. Bathurst (-1)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Gold Coast (-)
17. Coffs Harbour    (-)
18. Wodonga (-)



Couple of notes...
- Points earned in 2006 will expire at the end of the year, so Coffs Harbour and Wodonga will drop off the list.
- There's been some big moves in the Per Capita list because I am using new population figures to calculate the rankings (from the 2006 census).


Sydney still have the stronghold on #1 thanks largely to Wildcard and Fakulti, but they are starting to slip (24 points less than end of 2007). Brisbane are no longer a "clear" 3rd, with Canberra, Newcastle and Adelaide all within striking distance for next year. Hills are the big movers for the year, jumping 5 places for the year. The big losers from the 2006 points expiring at the end of the year are Melbourne and Perth - they're set to lose 15 to 20 points (compared to the start of 2007).


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: woodie13 on November 07, 2008, 02:54:38 AM
From Wikipedia

According to the 2006/07 edition of the Yellow Pages Local Directory, the Hills District is home to 245,098 people





Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: shoggy on November 12, 2008, 04:11:39 PM
its funny that on the strength of AUG and a decent showing in AMUC, adelaide leapfrogged canberra in the mixed. you'd never have thought that would be the case.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on November 12, 2008, 10:58:59 PM
And if one placing had gone either way (Brisbane down one or Adelaide up one) at either Mixed Nats or AUG, they'd have gone ahead of Brisbane, too.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: vpasian on November 13, 2008, 04:29:21 PM
Shoggy we always knew Adelaide was better than Canberra :)
Huy...


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: littletom on November 13, 2008, 09:30:55 PM
Its primarily due to the relative pounding the SA teams conducted at AUGs this year


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: AlecD on October 16, 2009, 01:33:04 AM
It's that time of year again.

Simmo, do you have time to crunch the numbers and give us an update?


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 17, 2009, 03:01:34 AM
Righto. It'll give me something to do tonight.


Title: Re: City rankings
Post by: simmo on October 17, 2009, 05:38:35 AM
New leader!

Open
1. Melbourne (79.88) +1
2. Sydney (59.5) -1
3. Canberra (38.13) +1
4. Newcastle (31.75) +1
5. Perth (31.5) +2
6. Brisbane (28.75) -3
7. Adelaide (19.13) +1
8. New Zealand (7.5) -1
9. Wollongong (6.0) -
=10. Ballarat (2.88) +1
=10. Manly (2.88) +1
11. Byron Bay (2.19) -2
12. Townsville (1.94) +1
13. Hobart (1.25) -1
14. Hills District (1.25) -
15. Bathurst (0.75) new
16. Geelong (0.75) new
17. Gold Coast (0.25) new


Women
1. Sydney (60.81) -
2. Melbourne (53.06) -
3. Newcastle (19.25) +3
4. Perth (18.25) +6
5. Canberra (16.44) -1
6. Brisbane (15.75) -1
7. New Zealand (10.0) -4
8. Manly (9.06) -1
9. Hobart (8.75) -1
10. Adelaide (5.82) -1
11. West Sydney (1.75) +1
12. Wollongong (0.69) -1
13. Geelong (0.13) new


Mixed
1. Sydney (184.75) -
2. Melbourne (142.00) -
3. Adelaide (82.38) +1
4. Brisbane (72.38) -1
5. Canberra (55.75) -
6. Newcastle (49.25) -
7. Hills District (28.88) +2
8. Perth (22.25) -1
9. Hobart (20.13) +1
10. New Zealand (14.0) -2
11. Ballarat (12.0) -
12. Singapore (11.25) new
13. Gold Coast (7.5) +1
14. Wollongong (6.63) -2
15. Geelong (5.25) new
16. Bathurst (4.5) -1
17. Townsville (1.88) -4
18. Manly (0.75) -2
19. Armidale (0.5) new


Overall
1. Sydney (305.06) -
2. Melbourne (274.94) -
3. Brisbane (116.88) -
4. Canberra (110.31) -
5. Adelaide (107.32) -
6. Newcastle (100.25) -
7. Perth (72.00) +1
8. Hills District (31.88) +3
9. New Zealand (31.5) -2
10. Hobart (29.0) -1
11. Ballarat (14.88) +2
12. Wollongong (13.31) -2
13. Manly (12.69) -1
14. Singapore (11.25) new
15. Gold Coast (7.75) +1
16. Geelong (6.13   ) new
17. Bathurst (5.25) -
18. Townsville (3.81) -4
19. Byron Bay (2.19 -4
20. Armidale (0.5) new


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Newcastle (+1)
3. Canberra (-1)
4. Byron Bay (-)
5. Ballarat (-)
6. Bathurst   (+8)
7. Hobart (-1)
8. Adelaide (-1)
9 .Sydney (-1)
10. Melbourne (+1)
11. Brisbane (-1)
12. Wollongong (-3)
13. Perth (-)
14. Geelong    (new)
15. Armidale (new)
16. Townsville (-4)
17. Gold Coast (-1)
18. New Zealand (-3)
19. Singapore (new)


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