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Title: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: JdR on June 10, 2008, 06:44:17 PM
So, time to start the Mixed Nats 2008 thread.

Brisbane, Saturday 18 to Monday 20 October.

AFDA have just released the updated allocation/rostering/seeding/procedures policy at www.afda.com.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: gref on June 10, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Looks like South Queensland could be getting 4 teams... if places like NT and North Western Australia don't represent.

What's the thoughts? Who are this year's hot favourites?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on June 10, 2008, 11:57:29 PM
Hard to go past Bootius on home turf, especially with Worlds taking out a lot of strong players from interstate. Trouble is with Mixed Nats is that there's not many teams that are the same from year to year. I can only think of Bootius, Evolution, Scapegoats and Honey Badgers.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rjhberg on June 11, 2008, 12:40:41 AM
From what I've heard Booty aren't around anymore.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Brettski on June 11, 2008, 12:52:25 AM
RuBi RuBi RuBi RuBi!!!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on June 11, 2008, 04:10:53 AM
From what I've heard Booty aren't around anymore.
Looks like they're nothing without you, champ.

I'll back whatever comes out of Canberra. They're due.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: thebozzman on June 11, 2008, 04:41:55 AM
Whats the go with the BrisVegas Theme... It's sooo been done this year :-P

I'll even bring up my Bathvegas stubby holder :)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Pallen on June 12, 2008, 02:24:22 AM
Could be some interesting teams from Brissy this year, is Halibut counting as a qualifying event?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: JdR on June 12, 2008, 06:42:58 PM
Announcement about Brisbane Mixed Season happening in the next few days, Mr Pallen.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Chris on June 16, 2008, 11:23:46 PM
Yeah Bootius, if it happens, will be a skeleton crew, considering that Al Don and J Mac are venturing off to play for chumpish southern teams, not to mention Matzuka/Pottsy/JD have moved on to greener pastures...

There has been discussion that UQ might try put some sort of team together, and I'm certain there will be one or two other reasonably strong Brisbane teams. Though I don't think we will have a team that is genuinely a title contender, which is a bit of a shame.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Jangles on June 18, 2008, 11:47:26 PM
meh i am still looking for a team not too worried about who i play for as long as it is fun. Some from brissie will step up eventually to form a good team. i aint gonna be me i am enjoying my new found graduate status.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: JdR on June 19, 2008, 11:45:15 PM
Jangles, have you regoed for Halibut yet?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tarny on June 24, 2008, 12:50:20 AM
RuBi RuBi RuBi RuBi!!!

watch this simmo!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Jangles on June 24, 2008, 10:35:29 PM
Jangles, have you regoed for Halibut yet?
that is an affirmative

Who needs a team to play a tournie i am going stag  ;)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on July 10, 2008, 01:43:55 AM
I'll back whatever comes out of Canberra. They're due.
After looking at what teams are registering so far, I'm changing my mind.

Vintage.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Chris L on July 25, 2008, 05:15:53 AM

If you play on a team at mixed nats regionals that doesn't want to / doesn't qualify, are you free to switch to a team that has qualified? Also are there any restrictions on how many such players a team that has qualified can pick up?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on July 27, 2008, 06:22:54 AM
Yeah,

If you play at regionals in one team, that doesnt qualify or go to nats for whatever reason, you can pickup with another team from that region or a team from another region that you have previously played with that year.

I think there is a limit of 1 out of region player that a team can pick up. Also, a limit of three moving for teams within a region, for clubs that send two teams and want flexibility to move players between teams.

Its all listed in the mixed nats policy on AFDA.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tiger on August 26, 2008, 12:18:59 AM
have we done predictions yet?

Spider-Pig
Newcastle (if stacked)
FAF
RuBi

Scapegoats
Wollongong
D-Rex
Hills (the good one)

Special Sauce
Hills (the Lee Coady Experience)
Newcastle (not stacked)

are my rough predictions based pretty much on how much i like the team's name or shirts.

cannon fodder is up in the air, i have no idea how we'll place until after this weekend


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on August 26, 2008, 07:18:36 AM
Thats an interesting prediction saying the Newcastle B team is going to come last......


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 26, 2008, 09:56:31 AM
itll have you on it wont it dan?

....its inevitable then

seriously, do you guys never put up your team lists.

judging on th strength and depth of Ibeam, id say the newcastle B team should finish top 8 or just outisde....with no Tim Booth or Big Steve Wollongong dont look as strong. Hills are prob better than goats, i reckon D Rex, Goats and Gong will battle it out for possibl 8th spot.

Go Rubi!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on August 31, 2008, 04:24:49 AM
what were the results from the queensland qualifier...who gets top seed?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on August 31, 2008, 10:26:25 PM
Queensland results, from http://www.brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/

1. Mind the Gap
2. Great!Sugoi!
3. Lounge Lizards
4. UQ Lovers

Newwie lists are up and they have split X/Y, which will ensure qualification for both teams. The rumour is they are considering sending a team to World Clubs and thus this X/Y move will be an attempt to develop the player base towards that goal.

For similar reasons Canberra will be development focused this year and won't have the strongest/most prepared team possible.

Any team with the Gak on it is a threat to the championship. Of course, it'll all be decided in the heat of things at the tournament and just perhaps the Gak doesn't have the support that will take him to victory.

I think Spider Pig will struggle compared to last year without having the twin element to the Dowle factor. That said, there are a lot unusual combinations on the teams so who knows who'll come out on top.

-Tom


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Chris L on September 01, 2008, 01:04:12 AM
Newcastle have actually split A/B. There are just a few people who asked to play on the B team to be with friends/partners.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 01, 2008, 01:48:01 AM
I was going to say that United look stronger than City.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Chris L on September 01, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
Looking at the team lists for NSW mixed regionals this weekend it seems to me to be a much weaker field than last year. Is this just because lots of worlds players aren't playing mixed nationals? Where are last years padlock and whatever Abra's team was called? And what are Canberra doing? Are they sending teams agian this year like they did last year just for the practice?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 01, 2008, 09:34:44 PM
can someone post the official seedings and draw (or at least draw stucture/pools)....my copy is corrputed (or my computer sucks)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: suj on September 01, 2008, 09:47:04 PM
it's just you maple, it's just you


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on September 01, 2008, 10:15:20 PM
can someone post the official seedings and draw (or at least draw stucture/pools)....my copy is corrputed (or my computer sucks)

Seeding   
1   FAF
2   Spider Pig
3   Newc A
4   Newc B
5   Hills A
6   Gong
7   Rubi
8   D Rex
9   Scapegoats
10   Special sauce
11   Hills B
12   Cannon Fodder


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on September 01, 2008, 10:16:14 PM
can someone post the official seedings and draw (or at least draw stucture/pools)....my copy is corrputed (or my computer sucks)

Pool A         
A1   1   FAF   
A2   4   Newc B   
A3   5   Hills A   
A4   8   D Rex   
A5   9   Scapegoats   
A6   12   Cannon Fodder   

Pool B         
B1   2   Spider Pig   
B2   3   Newc A   
B3   6   Gong   
B4   7   Rubi   
B5   10   Special sauce   
B6   11   Hills B   


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on September 01, 2008, 10:23:06 PM
can someone post the official seedings and draw (or at least draw stucture/pools)....my copy is corrputed (or my computer sucks)

Saturday   Field 1        Field 2      Field 3    Field 4     Field 5      Field 6      Byes
9am            A3 v A4       A1 v A5   B3 v B4    B1 v B5    B2 v B6     A2 v A6   
10.45am         A2 v A5     A1 v A4    B2 v B5   B1 v B4    B3 v B6    A3 v A6   
1.30pm          A1 v A3     A2 v A4   B1 v B3   B2 v B4   B5 v B6     A5 v A6   
3.15pm          A1v A2     A3 v A5    B1 v B2   B3 v B5     B4 v B6      A4 v A6   

Sunday          Field 1        Field 2       Field 3        Field 4        Field 5       Field 6          Byes
8.30am         A2 v A3      A4 v A5     B2 v B3        B4 v B5      B1 v B6   A1 v A6   
10.15am       z:a2 v b3    y:a3 v b2   x:a4 v b5     w:a5 v b4                                    a1 b1 a6 b6
1.00pm       v:a1 v Wy    u:b1 v Wz   t:Ly v Wx    s:Lz v Ww   r:Lw v b6  q:Lx v a6   
2.45pm       o:Lv v Lu      n:Wt vWs    m:Lt v Ls   k:Wr v Wq    j:Lr v Lq   
3.30 pm        p:Wv v Wu                  


Maple, hope it all makes sense to you.
Cheers
Stafa

edit...sorry, original post was the preliminary draw...didnt see game changes, just checked the seedings were all the same. Cheers


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: wally on September 01, 2008, 10:42:38 PM
Yes it would be because lots of worlds players aren't so keen atm.  A few remained overseas and many just need a rest.  They been working hard over the last few months, the poor petals.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 02, 2008, 12:42:02 AM
Canberra was considering going to newwie but a week ago we received the first email about the comp and it said that registration had closed...so we won't bother. Is suspect many emails were sent out...but only to the NSWFA lists...

The cores of both the padlock and toot sweet teams are still OS or are injured etc. I hear Pete Gardner is out with an ACL injury

Sorry about the X/Y call, I just had a brief brief look. Need to catch up on the Newwie gossip ;)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 02, 2008, 01:35:17 AM
cheers staf.

now i cant wait to bitch that seed.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Henry on September 02, 2008, 04:02:29 AM
Our first match this year is the same as last year...  Don't worry we'll beat Spider Pig this time! :P

Maple, it's not corrupt.  The file was saved in office 2007 which you obviously don't have


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tanty on September 02, 2008, 05:38:14 AM
Sorry to break it to you Henry, but my read of the draw puts us (Sauce- B5) vs B6 (453 Hills players... all on the one team, whom will be there sober and unhungover because they're weenies) first game at 9am. And our Spiderpig game B5 vs B1) at 315... I may be wrong but how about you humour me and turn up in time for a 9am game? If you don't show until quarter past three I'm pretty sure I will hurt you... You have to be tall and mark the good players, so I can be fat unfit and tired on the sideline.

Love Hugs and Kisses
ANt

*Edit* Apparently the draw has changed and Henry/Suj are correct... Damn them

That means Stafs posted draw has changed too


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: suj on September 02, 2008, 08:25:12 AM
So Tanty, in conclusion, Henry and I are right and you're wrong.
Have I missed anything?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Henry on September 02, 2008, 08:32:28 AM
*basks in the glory of being right*

Tanty I think I'll just stick to being tall, unfit and on the sideline.  You can mark the good players ;)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tanty on September 03, 2008, 05:36:39 AM
So Tanty, in conclusion, Henry and I are right and you're wrong.
Have I missed anything?
Damn you

And Henry if YOU'RE on the sideline and I'M on the sideline and CAM is on the sideline (assumed) what're we going to do?
Got it.. "DAAAANNNN? NAAATHAAAN? See that? That's spiderpig... get on the field and deal with it"


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Henry on September 03, 2008, 07:11:11 PM
I thought that was the plan from the beginning?  What else are they on the team for?!

In fact I like the plan so much we should extend it to all the games...wanna bring a chair and down a few beers instead tanty? :P


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tanty on September 04, 2008, 07:05:57 AM
wanna bring a chair and down a few beers instead tanty? :P
Chair is packed, as is the groundsheet, sleeping bag and gaffa taped ugg boots... now I've just got to find my inflatable pillow...


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 06, 2008, 02:37:55 AM
well, that was a fun round trip to newcastle.

NSW regionals cancelled due to rain.

wish i hadnt gotten up at 6am to drive there.

looks like top 4 seeds go through automatically as they are, and they are trying to find a ground either sunday in sydney or next weekend to work out who the rest of the qualifiers are.

i know its not the TD's fault...but sending out an email stating "it will not be cancelled under any circumstances" despite rain was kinda misleading.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 06, 2008, 04:09:58 AM
NSW regionals cancelled due to rain.
Wow. Surely they could have decided last night before, considering 80% of players were traveling for the tournament.

-edit- In comes Rach to show me up once again.


looks like top 4 seeds go through automatically as they are, and they are trying to find a ground either sunday in sydney or next weekend to work out who the rest of the qualifiers are.
Huh? Why are the top 4 automatically going through? Can't be based on last year's results otherwise Scapegoats would be ahead of Newc B.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 06, 2008, 06:08:23 AM
The TD had been told that the university would not close the grounds under any circumstance - hence the email to everyone saying that. It was the University who did the backflip this morning and closed the grounds due to standing water.

No fields for tomorrow so trying to find something for next weekend.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: pookie on September 06, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
Thats truly lame for everyone involved.



Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: thebozzman on September 07, 2008, 02:30:34 AM
Just wondering what people think of the alternatives due to the wash-out?
At this stage we are now looking for ovals for next weekend. We are uncertain what combination we will be holding. So teams need to be prepared for:
- all 12 teams over 2 days;
- the bottom 8 seeded teams over 2 days (if we have limited oval space)
- the bottom 8 seeded teams over 1 day;


Also, wondering on if the top 4 go through, are participants happy with the four that get through and their seeding?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: wally on September 07, 2008, 04:50:20 AM
Yeah Bozza I think the four teams are OK, and really don't care about their seeding beyond they're the top four.  If it's going to be a one day tournament 12 teams would just be silly.

When do we find out if our region gets a ninth spot?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 07, 2008, 04:52:03 AM
- all 12 teams over 2 days;
- the bottom 8 seeded teams over 2 days (if we have limited oval space)
- the bottom 8 seeded teams over 1 day;[/i]

Ideally i think you would want all 12 teams...just sucks considering we have already put aside last weekend, and i spent it hungover instead of playing ultimate so didnt get anything done. Oh well.

If we only have the bottom 8 seeded teams then id rather it over 1 day than 2 though.

Also, wondering on if the top 4 go through, are participants happy with the four that get through and their seeding?

Personally...no.

I think Spider Pig were going to go through definately in the top 4, as FAF and Newcastle A were likely to as well (although looking at FAFs roster pre tounrament it became alot shorter, with some big players not going to playing who were on th roster earlier, likely when the seedings were done. Didnt think they were unbeatable, just very good.)

Whether Newcastle B were going to be automatically in the top 4 i think was doubtful. Again, some strong players, but its not really a satisfactory way of doing it just having them qualify automatically. Especially since the seedings were done by Newcastle people (not suggesting anything dodgy) but they were more likely to know thier players and less likely to know Sydney ones who havent been arround for ages, and the tendancy with names you dont know is to assume they are better rather than worse players.

But then, what do you do when you have a tournamnt rained out?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 07, 2008, 08:00:31 AM
I might be very wrong but I would have thought that the seedings would have been done by NSWFDA, since it is their regional tournament.

its a sucky situation.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 07, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
I might be very wrong but I would have thought that the seedings would have been done by NSWFDA, since it is their regional tournament.

could be, i was just assuming newcastle people did the seedings.

bet your glad canberra didnt make the trip this year though :)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tanty on September 07, 2008, 08:54:19 AM
its a sucky situation.

yes

Love Hugs and Kisses
ANt
(1 word)

ps when are we likely to hear what the replacement arrangement will be? I ask because a few players from Sauce (and other teams I'm sure) shifted around their work rosters etc to make it to Newie and won't be likely to do it again (particularly on short notice)... And while most people (except us) seemed to have written off Sauce's chances (I think we would've surprised a few teams) any attempt to surprise ambush some of the higher seeds would kinda require our whole roster... which may not now be possible, especially with short notice... And I'm sure there are a lot of other teams in the same boat...


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 07, 2008, 08:54:58 AM
Vintage (2005's "Point Of Entry" +/- a couple), Brown Chicken Brown Cow (HoS boys and some 06/08 Terra), and Tribe Of Minature Horses (Rueben, aL, Hussey, Joy Lee, among others) qualified from Victoria today.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: pookie on September 07, 2008, 09:46:05 AM
In that order simmo?

Yeah we are quite lucky we were organised enough to head up to newwie. Saved by our own ineptness.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 07, 2008, 10:25:15 AM
No idea. I'm going off a text message because I didn't end up playing (was going to be playing with Melbourne Uni).


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: JMc on September 07, 2008, 12:01:21 PM
Brown Chicken Brown Cow were 3rd, don't know about the top 2.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 07, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
I might be very wrong but I would have thought that the seedings would have been done by NSWFDA, since it is their regional tournament.

could be, i was just assuming newcastle people did the seedings.

bet your glad canberra didnt make the trip this year though :)

Similar to most tournaments the captains were provided with some preliminary seedings done to by the organising committee for State Regionals. The captains provided feedback and seedings were adjusted. This is how the current seeding list to came to exist.

It is NSWFDA's responsibility to provide the seedings for mixed nationals. If the tournament had gone ahead as scheduled the seedings for mixed nats would be the order the teams finished in.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: thebozzman on September 07, 2008, 07:19:01 PM
Just thinking about the tourney when it goes ahead...
As Hills B aren't looking for qualification, what if they drop out and Newcastle B play in the qualifier?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rjhberg on September 07, 2008, 09:46:56 PM
Vintage won over The Tribe of Miniature Horse

We had a lead at the start, Vintage took over, then we bought it back to 8 all.

But Vintage ran away with it. That Tom guy is pretty good  ;)

MUCUS were unlucky not to make mixed nats (1 dingo, 2 mundis)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: pookie on September 07, 2008, 10:58:11 PM
Bozz I think you're option makes the most sense.

Tough result for the MUCUS kids. Certainly a tough zone.

-Littletom


ps: if you haven't worked it out already, I can't be bothered to login under my real account...stupid housemates!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: suj on September 07, 2008, 11:26:10 PM
Mr Vice President,

So do we have to keep the same roster or can we add people? Like Tanty said, some people won't be able to get themselves out of commitments 2 weekends in a row.
And there's a rumor going around that we'd have to pay some fees again (which if it's true, is kinda ridiculous)



Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: mole on September 07, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that FAF, Spiderpig and Newc A were definately going to be top 3, but I tend to agree with some of the comments that it isn't really ideal for Newc B to automatically get a spot.

Then again there's nothing ideal about the entire situation :p


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on September 23, 2008, 07:59:34 AM
Quote
The TD had been told that the university would not close the grounds under any circumstance - hence the email to everyone saying that. It was the University who did the backflip this morning and closed the grounds due to standing water.

That is NUSport for you.

I did the lunches for the Qualifiers in Newcastle. I had spent two hours shopping the night before on the TD's email on the advice from Nusport that the tourny was on. I had to give away $600 of perishables because they could not be returned. (I brought alot to the party, if you missed out on some vegies, then you weren't talking to the right people)

I was ready to headbutt someone when I found out Nusport had called them off.

Anyway, we have qualifications and seedings now (partially). Who is odds on to win Mixed Nats this year?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tiger on September 23, 2008, 09:48:27 AM
Vintage.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on September 23, 2008, 07:12:01 PM
Vintage.

lulwat?  ??? :)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 23, 2008, 10:06:09 PM
Tiger's right. Vintage FTW.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 24, 2008, 12:53:52 AM
Vintage is a relatively unassuming team from Victoria. With the Gak on it.....

 It sees the Gak's return to the national stage after a 16-18 month break.

Its great to have a front runner to chase after :)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 24, 2008, 02:12:48 AM
Are we just going to forget about the other 8 current/former Australian representatives on that team?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: moroney on September 24, 2008, 02:20:41 AM
When they're standing on the line with the Gak, Yes.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 24, 2008, 07:47:19 AM
Oh dear, they have Shane V as well....just like the old chilly days


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: JMc on September 24, 2008, 08:35:21 AM
Who's "the Gak"?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on September 24, 2008, 08:38:32 AM
isnt that some green goo that is a kids toy....thats all i know...probably a rubbish frisbee player...green good hasnt been renowned for having great athletic ability


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Brettski on September 24, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
Well if there is already a 'Gak' out there, I suggest a nickname change to 'A Gak' rather than 'The Gak' - too much confusion....


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 24, 2008, 10:02:20 PM
Vintage.

Hard to really see other teams giving Vintage much of a run. Spider-Pig seems to be the best male match-ups. (though Newcastle A & Mind the Gap don't have their full rosters up)

I'll put it out there early my pick is a Vintage v Spider Pig final. Vintage winning reasonably comfortably.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tiger on September 25, 2008, 01:27:47 AM
Fresh off the press (RSD): Vintage are picking up Ben Wiggins and Gwen Ambler!

Gak is confused because usually the rumours are about him.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: woodie13 on September 25, 2008, 04:34:11 AM
FAF is my dark horse - very  very STRONG on the Womens roster all Worlds players ( and about 1,000,000 years experience) Oh and they have Tiger as well.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 25, 2008, 05:46:46 AM
See that's exactly why I don't rate them.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 25, 2008, 09:37:37 AM
FAF is my dark horse - very  very STRONG on the Womens roster all Worlds players ( and about 1,000,000 years experience) Oh and they have Tiger as well.

Unfortunately in mixed ultimate:
best women + good men < best men + good women


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Henry on September 25, 2008, 07:14:37 PM
Tiger to outsky the gak in the final to win.  That's my prediction!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on September 25, 2008, 07:52:50 PM
 ;D Now I catch up.

Quote from: rachelg
best women + good men < best men + good women

A good team uses all their players and in mixed ultimate, i find its the girls that make a bigger difference than the guys.

Except for the gak....


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 25, 2008, 09:46:02 PM
Good girls often does show up as the difference. This is because the depth of ability in mens in Australia, meaning their is less different between the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc ranked men than the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc ranked women. The 4th ranks guys can still cut it with the top guys but the 4th girls probably can't.

Of course, all of our discussions have completely ignored team chemistry. Don't forget the results from this years nationals. Barefoot had a slew of good players and did poorly. FU took several people to their first nationals and then on to the final and we don't have many stars. Some parallels exist with the underperforming Newcastle in the Women and the Factory Girls managing to beat Team Box in the 5th/6th play off.

Of course, we know that the Gak, Shane and Scamby chemistry is well entrenched.

Scamby catches pull. Throw to the Gak. Shane runs around in the outfield. Gak sighs, throws to Scamby and runs to the stack. Shane lumbers into the dump position and catches a throw from Scamby. By this time the Gak has proceeded past the stack on his way to the endzone. Shane throws a 40 metre leading hammer where a backhand would have done. The Gak scores.

Its that easy!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on September 25, 2008, 10:17:52 PM
Good girls often does show up as the difference. This is because the depth of ability in mens in Australia, meaning their is less different between the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc ranked men than the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc ranked women. The 4th ranks guys can still cut it with the top guys but the 4th girls probably can't.

Yes, good girls can show up as the difference where the guys can match up. As Tom rightly says there is far more depth amongst the guys so that matching up happens more often than on the female front. However, if the guys can't match up (i.e. a team is struggling to cover say Gak & Shane) then even if your women were far superior you are unlikely to win.

Put another way, a team with the best guys and mediocre women can win a tournament, but it would be unlikely that a team with the best women and mediocre guys would win a tournament.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on September 25, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
Of course, we know that the Gak, Shane and Scamby chemistry is well entrenched.

Scamby catches pull. Throw to the Gak. Shane runs around in the outfield. Gak sighs, throws to Scamby and runs to the stack. Shane lumbers into the dump position and catches a throw from Scamby. By this time the Gak has proceeded past the stack on his way to the endzone. Shane throws a 40 metre leading hammer where a backhand would have done. The Gak scores.

Its that easy!
You forgot to mention Tao laying out into someone, and Sascha on the sidelines making a pseudo-racist remark about Kiwis/Canadians/Polskis in their direction.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Pallen on September 26, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
Well with all this talk about the Gak I think that we are going to start a play called the anti-Gak. Pretty sure whoever it is can be easily taken by one of our team if needs be.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on September 26, 2008, 10:34:05 PM
Of course, we know that the Gak, Shane and Scamby chemistry is well entrenched.

Scamby catches pull. Throw to the Gak. Shane runs around in the outfield. Gak sighs, throws to Scamby and runs to the stack. Shane lumbers into the dump position and catches a throw from Scamby. By this time the Gak has proceeded past the stack on his way to the endzone. Shane throws a 40 metre leading hammer where a backhand would have done. The Gak scores.

Its that easy!
You forgot to mention Tao laying out into someone, and Sascha on the sidelines making a pseudo-racist remark about Kiwis/Canadians/Polskis in their direction.

That usually happens on defence, so i left it out as they were playing O :P

I think its hilarious that mixed nats will be introducing the Gak to a whole new generation of kidlets! Lets hype him up some more!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rjhberg on September 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Tribe of Miniature Horse beat Vintage in a practice game on the weekend
(They did have Gak but not many others)
(Plus I asked them not just to huck it to Gak which the graciously complied with)

I still expect them to make the final.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Frank on September 29, 2008, 02:27:15 AM
Tribe of Miniature Horse beat Vintage in a practice game on the weekend
(They did have Gak but not many others)
(Plus I asked them not just to huck it to Gak which the graciously complied with)


Hahaha.

It's like playing cricket as a little kid in the backyard, bowling against your dad. He would just knock it around for a single each time, when you know he could have smashed every ball over the fence for six if he wanted to.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Chris on September 29, 2008, 07:01:34 AM
Well with all this talk about the Gak I think that we are going to start a play called the anti-Gak. Pretty sure whoever it is can be easily taken by one of our team if needs be.
I'm predicting UQ won't be in the same end of the draw as Vintage, but if we were to cross paths, any anti-Gak defense would have to involve a baseball bat, his knee, and some very poor spirit.

Pete, the best way I could explain Gak to you is he is like Mike Neild on steroids, plus has very tidy throws. He is one of those players that instead of trying to beat him personally, you try to beat the rest of the team instead, ie. he can't receive the disc in the endzone if you hand block every player trying to pass to him.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Pallen on October 14, 2008, 08:58:50 AM
Mike Nield on Steroids...eek.

Alright then, block the rest of the team is a perfectly sound plan then.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: moroney on October 14, 2008, 06:29:14 PM
Quote
It's like playing cricket as a little kid in the backyard, bowling against your dad. He would just knock it around for a single each time, when you know he could have smashed every ball over the fence for six if he wanted to

Haha that's sweet. Quite appropriate.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Frank on October 16, 2008, 07:28:13 AM
I was having a look at the Mixed Nats website, and found something that made me laugh - the info about the party:

SUNDAY night: PAAARRTTYY!! at Uber in Boundary Rd West End. Bring your best gambling, cheesey, chinzy gear - there will be prizes! NOTE, we are required by the establishment to be clothed and to wear closed in shoes.

Funny how there is an explicit warning for people to keep their clothes on. I'm sure this has never been asked before. There can only be one explanation:

HOS MENTALITY


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: ash_5 on October 16, 2008, 10:20:32 AM
I was having a look at the Mixed Nats website, and found something that made me laugh - the info about the party:

SUNDAY night: PAAARRTTYY!! at Uber in Boundary Rd West End. Bring your best gambling, cheesey, chinzy gear - there will be prizes! NOTE, we are required by the establishment to be clothed and to wear closed in shoes.

Funny how there is an explicit warning for people to keep their clothes on. I'm sure this has never been asked before. There can only be one explanation:

HOS MENTALITY


Hahahaha..reminds me of Nationals in Coffs this year, Sublime owned that party...
"Sublime, Can you please put your shirts back on?"


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 16, 2008, 04:22:48 PM
Hahahaha..reminds me of Nationals in Coffs this year, Sublime owned that party...
"Sublime, Can you please put your shirts back on?"

You might call it owned. I'd call it [them] obnoxious and anti-social.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on October 16, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
Youch.

Rachel: 1
Ash and his Sublime Hussys: 0.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on October 16, 2008, 08:27:28 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the draw for the weekend?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on October 18, 2008, 06:34:42 AM
day 1 results?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 18, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
Pool B
1 Mind the Gap
2 Kaboom 1
3 Hand of God
4 sCAPEgoats

Pool C
1 Yooouuuu!
2 Spider-pig
3 Hills A(nti)-social
4 Kaboom 3

Pool D
1 Pie Wagon
2 Flycatchers
3 Discasaurus Rex
4 Kaboom 2

Pool E
1 Vintage
2 SMURF
3 Great! Sugoi!
4 LOG!

Pool F
1 Tribe of Miniature Horses
2 FAF
3 UQ Lovers
4 Wollongong

No news from Pool G (WD, Rubi, Lizards, Sheep)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Henry on October 18, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
Rubi beat lounge lizards and lost the other two.  No idea about the other games in the pool though


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: BJ on October 18, 2008, 09:17:03 PM
so what are the games for 2day?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 19, 2008, 12:30:24 AM
The crossovers, I imagine. If it's the same as last year, it's some sort of mess with pools of 3 or something. I was captaining a team last year and couldn't work it out even when I sat down for 15 minutes to try. All I remember is that winning some crossover game on universe point (8 point comeback) ended up giving us the afternoon bye AND the Sunday morning bye.

So crossovers today and playoffs tomorrow.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: moroney on October 19, 2008, 05:58:05 AM
So from what I can gather (which you will quickly see isn't much).

Sugoi
Vintage (Undefeated)
Faff
Yoooouuu! (Undefeated)
Smurf
Miniature Horses
Kaboom A (ACT - Possibly Undefeated?)
Spider Pig

You will notice number one seeds mind the gap are out. They were beaten by Sugoi by about 5 points. Pie wagon knocked out by faff



Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 19, 2008, 06:32:16 AM
Good stuff. That should earn Victoria a wildcard or two next year.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 19, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
The draw structure was:

1st day: 6 pools of 4, top 2 advance to new pools of 3, bottom 2 go down to new pools of 3
2nd day: play the other 2 teams in your pools of 3. This gives rankings for the pre-quarters (round of 16), so top placed teams from the bottom pools play against the top seeds (sCAPEgoats played YOU, not sure what the other match-ups were). For the teams in the top pools those games were just for ranking going into the pre-quarters.
so final round of day 2 was pre-quarters for top 16, quarters for the 17-24 bracket
3rd day: quarters, semis, finals for 1-8, 9-16, semis & placings games for 17-20, 21-24

Only know all this cause I flew home last night... unfortunately missing the joy of trying to come 17th today.

As the fields were spread out over 3 locations it was hard to catch up on results from anywhere other than your fields so I have very little idea of any results other than RuBi's.

I do know the draw was horrid for us yesterday, we played 3 games from 10:30 - 3:30 with no break longer than 10 minutes. The draw needs to have more time between rounds in the last stages of play, since those games are much more likely to go to time cap.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 19, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
So from what I can gather (which you will quickly see isn't much).

Sugoi
Vintage (Undefeated)
Faff
Yoooouuu! (Undefeated)
Smurf
Miniature Horses
Kaboom A (ACT - Possibly Undefeated?)
Spider Pig

You will notice number one seeds mind the gap are out. They were beaten by Sugoi by about 5 points. Pie wagon knocked out by faff

How sure are you about that? I thought when I was leaving yesterday Vintage was playing Faf in the pre-quarters. If that was the case then both of them can't be in the quarters.... but it was at a distance so I may have not recognised the teams correctly.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 19, 2008, 06:04:33 PM
No news from Pool G (WD, Rubi, Lizards, Sheep)

For completion's sake

1. Sheep (NZ)
2. WD (Newcastle)
3. RuBi (Sydney)
4. Lizards (Brisbane)

Sheep got beaten 15-6 (?) by YOU in the cross-over.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 19, 2008, 06:35:51 PM
How sure are you about that? I thought when I was leaving yesterday Vintage was playing Faf in the pre-quarters. If that was the case then both of them can't be in the quarters.... but it was at a distance so I may have not recognised the teams correctly.
Yooouuuu are playing Faf in the quarters, I've been told.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on October 19, 2008, 10:07:20 PM
Apparently Semi's are Vintage v Spider Pig and Kaboom v FAF. YOUUU lost to FAF in quarters.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 20, 2008, 12:18:13 AM
Apparently Semi's are Vintage v Spider Pig and Kaboom v FAF. YOUUU lost to FAF in quarters.

There goes my Vintage v Spider Pig in the final prediction!

The YOUUUU v Faf game would've been interesting - very much an old v young game and experience won out (perhaps not surprisingly)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 20, 2008, 03:18:49 AM
Apparently Vintage beat Faf in the final...

no other info other than RuBi securing 17th spot :)


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: DaveR on October 20, 2008, 03:27:29 AM
i heard Kaboom and Spider Pig rocked off for third, with Kaboom winning 15-12


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Pallen on October 20, 2008, 04:00:01 AM
Yep Vintage took out the final easy, 15 - 8 or something along those lines.
Roshambo for 3rd/4th.

And yes Rubi beat us in the 17/18th playoff, UQ really didn't have the heart in that game. Although the earlier one vs. hand of god, we had 3 girls fit due to injuries and work commitments and had to play 6 v 7 a large part of the time, but ended up taking it out 15-8. yeah lovers.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on October 20, 2008, 07:06:28 PM
Pie Wagon and Wing Defense duked it out for 9th/10th

 ;D

Pie Wagon came 9th.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: richie on October 21, 2008, 01:05:30 AM
The draw was interesting. We won 1 game on Saturday to finish 2nd in the pool, then had a forfeit Sunday morning to end up in the 9-12 pool and ended up 12th. So we basically won 1 game to finish 12th.

I would like to see 4 pools of 6 to start with, although I'll admit that I haven't thought the entire process through much. A quick go at it ended up with 10 games instead of 9.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: woodie13 on October 21, 2008, 01:55:51 AM
Richie - Flycatchers are the Steven Bradbury of Ultimate!!!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrmNnp0Ef8

Down go DREX
Down Go Mind the Gap

I will ask for draw fedback on aus-ultimate


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 21, 2008, 02:15:57 AM
then had a forfeit Sunday morning

what was the forfeit situation?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on October 21, 2008, 08:39:55 AM
Mind the Gap didn't have enough women show up.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rodes on October 21, 2008, 09:07:57 AM
So from what I can gather (which you will quickly see isn't much).

Sugoi
Vintage (Undefeated)
Faff
Yoooouuu! (Undefeated)
Smurf
Miniature Horses
Kaboom A (ACT - Possibly Undefeated?)
Spider Pig

You will notice number one seeds mind the gap are out. They were beaten by Sugoi by about 5 points. Pie wagon knocked out by faff



*clears throat* Pie Wagon knocked out by SMURF! 15-14 baby!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tenk283 on October 21, 2008, 04:26:39 PM
My younger brother was disappointed with that one. He really wanted to win it. ;D


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 22, 2008, 12:21:05 AM
So I have two questions

1) What were the final standings? (so I can see how wrong my predictions were)
2) If Mixed Nats 09 was in Ballarat, would anyone actually come?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tiger on October 22, 2008, 02:01:26 AM
2) If Mixed Nats 09 was in Ballarat, would anyone actually come?

I'd be in like a shot. Showing ticker for my mates and such...


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: littletom on October 22, 2008, 03:18:59 AM
So I have two questions

1) What were the final standings? (so I can see how wrong my predictions were)
2) If Mixed Nats 09 was in Ballarat, would anyone actually come?

You would get all of the teams trying out for world clubs at least? Canberra would hire a coach and bus down like Coffs this year.



Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 22, 2008, 03:35:30 AM
Well it is South's turn in 2009, and there's thoughts of Ballarat or Geelong putting in a bid. Not sure if SAFDA or TUA are having thoughts.

I thought too many northerners were still scarred from the shithouse weather we put on in 2006.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: rachelg on October 22, 2008, 03:38:36 AM
1) What were the final standings? (so I can see how wrong my predictions were)

Something I would also like to know... so far I have worked out:

1. Vintage
2. Faf
3. Kaboom 1
4. Spider Pig
--
5. Smurf
6. Sugoi
7. Tribe of Miniature Horses
8. YOUUUU
--
9. Pie Wagon
10. Newcastle WD
11.
12. Flycatchers
--
13.
14. Kaboom 2
15.
16. Mind the Gap (due to forfeits)
--
17. RuBi
18. UQ
19. D-Rex or ?
20.
--  
21.
22.
23.
24. Kaboom 3

Which leaves the placings of these teams unknown:
Black Sheep
Hand of God
Hills A(nti)-social
sCAPEgoats
Discasaurus Rex
LOG!
Wollongong
Lounge Lizards


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: suj on October 22, 2008, 06:44:45 AM
I thought too many northerners were still scarred from the shithouse weather we put on in 2006.

Fuck yes, i couldn't close my eyelids, frozen shut.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Stafman on October 22, 2008, 07:28:57 AM
1) What were the final standings? (so I can see how wrong my predictions were)

Something I would also like to know... so far I have worked out:

1. Vintage
2. Faf
3. Kaboom 1
4. Spider Pig
--
5. Smurf
6. Sugoi
7. Tribe of Miniature Horses
8. YOUUUU
--
9. Pie Wagon
10. Newcastle WD
11.
12. Flycatchers
--
13. Hills
14. Kaboom 2
15. Scapegoats
16. Mind the Gap (due to forfeits)
--
17. RuBi
18. UQ
19. D-Rex or ?
20.
-- 
21.
22.
23. Gong
24. Kaboom 3

Which leaves the placings of these teams unknown:
Black Sheep
Hand of God
Hills A(nti)-social (13th)
sCAPEgoats ((15th)
Discasaurus Rex
LOG! (21st or 22nd)
Wollongong (23ed)
Lounge Lizards (21st or 22nd)

Added some detail above.

I think black sheep played flycatchers in final game, but not 100% certain

Which would leave D-Rex vs Hand of God for the 19th/20th playoff


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Brettski on October 22, 2008, 07:22:51 PM

I thought too many northerners were still scarred from the shithouse weather we put on in 2006.

The weather may have been terrible, but that party was absolutely amazing! I have horrible memories from our scapegoat undie points in freezing wind and rain...


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: mole on October 22, 2008, 09:57:05 PM
disc rex 19th


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: carlie on October 22, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
Mixed nats again in ballarat.... noooo.  I lost a couple of toes last time.  There was even sideways rain!  Rates up there with world clubs in hawaii 2002 with worst ever tournament weather.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 22, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
We'll have better weather next time. Promise.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: moroney on October 22, 2008, 11:20:26 PM
I back that promise. Not like it can be worse.

Who would be in line for next region for mixed nats? Southern isn't it?


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: simmo on October 23, 2008, 12:41:28 AM
Yes. That's why I'm thinking of putting together a bid for either B-Town or Geelong.

The weather here is much better in late October than early September. It was high 20s all round on the weekend just gone.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: woodie13 on October 23, 2008, 01:54:13 AM
The AFDA has a rotational policy for Nationals and Mixed Nationals that aims to share the events around Australia in a well-planned way. It is a six year cycle, and commenced in 2007.

If no acceptable EoIs are received from the alloted region, the event will be opened up to all regions and the alloted region will lose its turn in the cycle.

Year Nationals Mixed Nationals
2007 South       East
2008 East         North
2009 West        South
2010 South       East
2011 North        South
2012 East          West

The Regions referred to are:

North - NT, Qld and Northern NSW
East - NSW and ACT
South - Vic, SA & Tas
West - WA


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Frank on October 23, 2008, 06:10:48 AM


The weather here is much better in late October than early September. It was high 20s all round on the weekend just gone.

I'm sorry but I just do not believe that statement.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: wally on October 23, 2008, 05:39:26 PM
1) What were the final standings? (so I can see how wrong my predictions were)

Something I would also like to know... so far I have worked out:

1. Vintage
2. Faf
3. Kaboom 1
4. Spider Pig
--
5. Smurf
6. Sugoi
7. Tribe of Miniature Horses
8. YOUUUU
--
9. Pie Wagon
10. Newcastle WD
11. Black Sheep
12. Flycatchers
--
13. Hills
14. Kaboom 2
15. Scapegoats
16. Mind the Gap (due to forfeits)
--
17. RuBi
18. UQ
19. D-Rex
20. Hand of God
-- 
21.
22.
23. Gong
24. Kaboom 3

Which leaves the placings of these teams unknown:


LOG! (21st or 22nd)
Lounge Lizards (21st or 22nd)

Added some detail above.

I think black sheep played flycatchers in final game, but not 100% certain

Which would leave D-Rex vs Hand of God for the 19th/20th playoff

Someone should post the final results to afda.com or aus-ultimate.


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Jangles on October 23, 2008, 11:56:29 PM
LL beat LOG! 15-8? close to that anyway. stefan was caught red handed on a terrible foul contest by his own teammates camera!!


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: Tanty on October 24, 2008, 03:56:12 AM
2) If Mixed Nats 09 was in Ballarat, would anyone actually come?

I was going to say yes (with the added bonus of other people being soft making it more likely I can get onto a qualifying team =P)

But then I saw this quote

Fuck yes, i couldn't close my eyelids, frozen shut.

So Suj couldn't close his eyes because they had frozen shut... WOW that's some pretty unfortunate weather... Or perhaps next time you should only try to close your eyes from the OPEN position and not try and close them from the SHUT position... but maybe I'm being picky there


Title: Re: Mixed Nationals 2008
Post by: suj on October 24, 2008, 08:04:41 PM

But then I saw this quote

Fuck yes, i couldn't close my eyelids, frozen shut.

So Suj couldn't close his eyes because they had frozen shut... WOW that's some pretty unfortunate weather... Or perhaps next time you should only try to close your eyes from the OPEN position and not try and close them from the SHUT position... but maybe I'm being picky there

Hmm, what i meant was that they were frozen open. ha. um, yeah i couldn't close them. Although I could be thinking about the last game of the Saturday at the Stampede this year. Either way, they were both colllld.


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