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Title: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on September 28, 2008, 11:55:16 PM
http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/index.php

World Games timetable for Aus is out:

http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=571

WFDF has published the rankings that determined entry (Top 5 teams + Host Chinese Taipei)
Germany missed out, but given they made it last time because of host status they can't really complain!
Columbia got pretty close to making it!
Canada   291
USA   286
Japan   281
Australia   258
Great Britain   255
Germany   232
Colombia   229
Finland   227
New Zealand   227
Sweden   227
Italy   226
Switzerland   223
France   216
Ireland   215
Venezuela   214
Chinese Taipei   212
Netherlands   211
Mexico   210
Repub of South Africa   210
Dom Repub   209
Hong Kong   209

Should be a great event - hopefully the crocs can top the silver from last time!


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on September 29, 2008, 12:30:52 AM
And if I remember correctly teams are allowed 13 players this time around, which gives a little more leeway with selections and injuries. Still too small of course but its an improvement.

-Tom


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris on September 29, 2008, 06:54:12 AM
Assuming everyone in Australia is available and interested who do people will think the team? And what do you think the team split will be, 7/6 or 8/5?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Northern Mike on September 29, 2008, 07:13:01 AM
Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/Venues_connect2.php

Ruebes I don't know how to imbed the video into this page mate.

Oh baby.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rachelg on September 29, 2008, 08:08:47 AM
Assuming everyone in Australia is available and interested who do people will think the team? And what do you think the team split will be, 7/6 or 8/5?

I'm pretty sure the split is mandated at 7/6


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: moroney on September 29, 2008, 08:15:22 AM
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Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

Haha Love the Pirates of the Carribean soundtrack.

Stadium is nice too.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: gref on September 29, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sport6_disc.php

Does the way they just say "Flying Disc", and then go on to talk about guts, disc golf and ultimate mean that all three sports are going to be played? Or is the site just foolish, and it's only ultimate?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rachelg on September 29, 2008, 08:39:48 AM
Well if we take stats as the indication of how good a player is (as has been suggested might be a good measure in another thread) then your WG team is:

1. Mike Neild
2. Pete Gardner
3. Timothy Lavis
4. Anthony Dowle
5. Matthew Dowle
6. Angus Keenan
7= Brett Matzuka / Jonno Holmes / Joel Pillar / Gavin Moore

1. Diana Worman
2. Lauren Brown (Mama)
3. Ash Martens
4. Keah Molomby
5. Clare Hussey
6= Vivien Stettner / Belinda Kinneally / Rebecca McKinlay

While this gives up a reasonably strong set of names there are also some glaring omissions e.g. Lisa McGinnigle.

Comments I'd make are on the stats:
1. Some of the stats are straight-out wrong - we (Firetails) took our own stats and there were only 2 people in the entire team who actually had the correct stats on the worlds website
2. Too simple - as Owen has discussed in his blog more useful measures are things like goals/assists scored per O/D points played. And you can extend that again to look at how close the games were (i.e. how hard was it to earn the goals). There is also no consideration of turn over rate and defensive stats aren't included either. (which is why someone like Lisa doesn't show up).


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: woodie13 on September 30, 2008, 08:03:39 AM
Thats correct - all stats are offensive.

Where are the stats for - hand blocks , layout blocks, Hard Disc gets etc.

The stats lie

VOTE 1 GRANNY


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris on September 30, 2008, 09:52:02 AM
I agree that stats can be very deceptive, but short of being there they can definitely give you a rough idea of key players on the team - as is the case with the group of names that just using stats came up with below. Though, you're right that they often don't reward the hardest workers on the team, ie the D team.

Well if we take stats as the indication of how good a player is (as has been suggested might be a good measure in another thread) then your WG team is:

1. Mike Neild
2. Pete Gardner
3. Timothy Lavis
4. Anthony Dowle
5. Matthew Dowle
6. Angus Keenan
7= Brett Matzuka / Jonno Holmes / Joel Pillar / Gavin Moore

1. Diana Worman
2. Lauren Brown (Mama)
3. Ash Martens
4. Keah Molomby
5. Clare Hussey
6= Vivien Stettner / Belinda Kinneally / Rebecca McKinlay

While this gives up a reasonably strong set of names there are also some glaring omissions e.g. Lisa McGinnigle.

Just looking at the 2005 World Games team it doesn't look liked there'd need to be a whole lot of changes on the guy side..

1     Owen Shepherd     NSW
2    Jonathan Potts (c)    NSW
4    Anthony Dowle    NSW
9    Matthew Dowle    NSW
14    Jonathan Holmes    NSW
42    Tom Rogacki    Vic

44    Sarah Wentworth (vc)    NSW
54    Elizabeth Edye    NSW
7    Diana Worman    NSW
20    Lisa McGinnigle    NSW
33    Jane Irving    ACT

On the guy side of things you'd probably argue that the majority of those names will still have their spots if they want them, with the likes of Mike Neild and Pete Gardner having to be strong contenders for slipping into the team as well.

What do other people think?

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Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/Venues_connect2.php
As for the stadium, if playing in that bad boy can't get you excited, then I can't imagine viagra would do the job either.

 :o


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ulty_arnie on October 06, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
It is a sad day when my name makes a list for a good team, let alone the best Australia has got!  hehehe.

In terms of the stats, Rachel is right.  I know I had 4-5 more assists, and 2-3 more goals than given on the site; however, this error is uniform for all players, I assume, so able to be neglected.  That being said, it is interetesting to look at your list of names and compare position/playtime as Owen (or someone else) said.  I believe he said the ratio, but whatever, the statistic will be interesting nonetheless.  Of the people listed by chris (by stats), Brett exclusively played Defense, and I believe Gavin Moore also exclusively played defense.

The fact is, there are a lot of variables you can use to determine who should be selected.  You can analyse the team's performance after specified players were out to injury and see their immediate impact.  This seems like a reasonable metric.  You can use stats, the ratio of points played to points scored, and many other metrics. 

all this being said, I can tell you a few things as a player from the Dingos this year:
1) When Gav got hurt, the D team struggled to get as many Ds and breaks than when he was playing
2) When Pete got hurt, the O team seemed to struggle to work the disc as easily

Personally, I think most of the names from last time are easy to select and some of the new guys are easy to select.
Looking over the past (easy picks):

Tom Rogacki
Matt Dowle
Ant Dowle
Jonno Holmes
   
New guys (easy picks):

Pete Gardner
Mike Nield
Gav Moore

I put JMac as a darkhorse and Pottsy on if he chooses to play.  As I said, these are who impressed me.

All that being said, obviously, Owen, Kenny, Timmy, etc. are amazing players who also have an extremely high chance of making it.  So whoever picks the team, on top of taking points, assists, goals, playtime into consideration, they should consider attitude, comraderie, leadership, and so forth as every factor counts. 

I would also say to actually ask the players themselves, as though I seem to be on the list (theoretically only, of course) in terms of stats, I do not deserve to be on the same list as those mentioned above.  They are standout players who I will constantly look up to and admire! 

BTW, I have started placing bets with people here that Australia takes World Games in '09, so lets do it and put another Gold on the board!  Yay Australia!     


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: moroney on October 06, 2008, 09:22:42 PM
Wow just looking at the names that will have to fight to get a jersey makes me feel really sorry for the selectors! Throwing it out there that this will be the toughest squad ever to be selected in Australian Ultimate due to the limited size and increased depth?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 06, 2008, 10:34:18 PM
Yeah it will be a difficult pick, in part because who ever selects will ultimately have only incomplete information and also that the quality of players is so high.

I suppose there are a few things that would to consider:

-What style of play will the team follow? Will it be focused towards finding good isolations on one player (maximising the gak for example) or moving the disc across the field to maximise everyone's cutting options (maximising the depth and quality of the team)

-Once you determine that (which in part will be determined by the available players), you have to look at team roles and this might be a deciding factor for some players. For example, that list of boys has heaps of big tall guys. A lot of them usually 'strike' (receive) down field. Every team needs handler types, so which of those players could fit into that role or will you need to look at other players to fill those positions? Also, since they are all so big and tall who is going to mark the agility players on other teams? Jonno Holmes (A great defensive all-rounder) and Pete Gardner (if he recovers fast enough) are probably great for this role but having one more agility player should still be on the cards. I suppose one of the toughest male choices will be between Mike Neild, Ant Dowle, Gav and agility player Y/handler player X, selecting three out of that four.

The picks for women on the team will be at least a little more flexible, since they have six players for three positions (90-95% of points) on the field. Diana Worman, Keah Molomby, Ash and 'Mama' Brown would make a great mix of offensive and defensive receivers/strikers, although they might only choose one out of Mama and Di since they are quite close in playing style. Lisa G and Liz Edye would be the female handlers if they both put their hand up.

The selections I think won't be the hardest overall. Biggest teams require more factors, such as variety of team roles, playing style, sub numbers, team chemistry, individual chemistry, etc to consider when balancing a team. These selections might include the hardest single decisions; the decision about last dingo/firetail pick would not be as hard as the last croc male/croc female pick and they will probably turn away a *lot* of deserving and good players but overall it will be a quicker and simpler affair. Thats my thoughts anyway.

-Tom


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Jangles on October 07, 2008, 02:59:12 AM
is it too early to put a hand up to manage the team? since i have no chance of making it and intend to go to china next year anyway.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 07, 2008, 04:56:48 AM
No, I think there was something on afda about the timeline for the whole World Games lead in.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Skippy on October 07, 2008, 06:24:53 AM
The Huss.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 07, 2008, 07:34:59 AM
I love your indepth contributions Mish, always welcome.

Who would the the Huss replace? Mish you play with Liz and Huss, what are their respective strengths?

Or would you replace a receiver with Huss?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: mattdowle on October 07, 2008, 08:01:48 PM
A point regarding the stats for the dingos - obviously not entirely correct like Brett and others have said. I mean, I don't know how many times they thought I was Anthony....lol.

In our team it seemed the boys high on the list of stats were getting injured.

The D team was nailing the stats especially early on because they played heaps more points. If Gav didn't get injured he would have wiped the floor with the stats and he played only D. So for the dingos it was more the offense of the D team raking it in (contributions from Mike, Pete and Tim who also played O). The other guy on our team who would have killed the stats was Glover. He played less than half the games. He scored 6 goals in the first game alone. Similar story was for Tats who wasn't able to play all the games.

To me the world games team is less about handler types and receiver types, but more about speed, agility and play makers. Don't really need a team that is consistent and safe. At that level, all receivers can handle. If you have speed and agility you can mark both receivers and handlers and get free more easily on offense. For me also, these days I prefer to mark handlers - requires less running (yeah O handlers - haha) and although I don't have the agility of Owen or the likes, my reach can help make up for it a bit.

There are ten guys on my list who are the front runners and can be easily picked. Haven't thought about the girls yet.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Jangles on October 07, 2008, 08:19:03 PM
strike one up for the little fast guys ;D good points matt and another point do you pick someone who gets injured easily or the work horse that never breaks down. It would be good to make the final and still have all 13 player still fit but that is highly unlikely.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: mattdowle on October 07, 2008, 08:30:54 PM
Tough choice with the workhorse or gets easily injured one? In 2005, noone got injured (even me who would be classed in the injured easily category, so thankfull the selections had faith, or crossed their fingers - haha). We only had 11 and were expecting something much more brutal. I think with 13 players even less chance of injury. Games to 13 helped and brilliant soft field were a blessing. It was a weird tournament because I think only 1 person from the 6 teams couldn't play on the last day (Canadian bloke who rolled his ankle badly). The higher the squad numbers the more you go the gets injured easily (presuming they offer more than workhorse - if even, easy choice), but the lower squad numbers I'd go for the work horse.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on October 07, 2008, 10:12:15 PM
I don't know anything about the girls but assuming all guys are fit and available I'd pick

Tom Rogacki
Matt Dowle
Ant Dowle
Mike Nield
Pete Gardiner
Jonno Holmes
Tim Lavis (or mum would kill me) / Gavin Moore

Which I guess means Pottsy and Owen are cut


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 07, 2008, 10:50:46 PM
I'm also curious as to who the coach will be...

Will Wavey Dave come back for another stab at it? Will Pottsy want to lead from the sidelines instead of onfield (unlikely, since normally he seems to go a little stir-crazy watching and not playing) I suppose Piers and to a lesser extent Fatty/Nikki have experience coaching at the Aus national junior level, would this be an opportunity for them to take their coaching to the Aus senior level?

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I mean, I don't know how many times they thought I was Anthony....lol.
maybe this World Games the other teams will have figured out there are two of you.... :P



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: mattdowle on October 08, 2008, 12:14:22 AM
Tom, you might be jumping the gun a bit there. We both have to put our hands up for selection and then we would have to be picked - and with the calibre of people out there. Nothing is a safe bet


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 08, 2008, 12:33:29 AM
Nah, I've been to Taiwan buddy, they have dirty bird. Thus the selectors should have no worries with your performance at the tournament!

But of course, you're right. I'm pretty sure Jonno is keen but aside from that I've no firm idea on who is interested. I did hear that almost none of '05s girls has thought much about it, so they might be a completely new line up. At times hard to predict what frisbee players will do. Being the team manager for 45 or so at mixed nats this year has been (and will continue to be) like herding cats. I hear your career might be pulling you out of Sydney, perhaps into the wilds of Western NSW?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: oshep on October 08, 2008, 01:19:31 AM
I don't know anything about the girls but assuming all guys are fit and available I'd pick

Tom Rogacki
Matt Dowle
Ant Dowle
Mike Nield
Pete Gardiner
Jonno Holmes
Tim Lavis (or mum would kill me) / Gavin Moore

Which I guess means Pottsy and Owen are cut

i talk up Chris on my blog, so he cuts me from his fantasy team - some gratitude ;)

at least Lavis can spell his own name correctly, if not others... ;)


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on October 08, 2008, 01:57:51 AM
Don't worry Owen, I'm sure they'll let you tag along in an official "knowing the rules" position. Then whenever there's confusion you can come in and explain it to everyone in that special way you have that leaves everyone still confused, but happy to just let you tell them what should happen so they don't have to listen to any further explanation.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: oshep on October 08, 2008, 02:03:28 AM
Don't worry Owen, I'm sure they'll let you tag along in an official "knowing the rules" position. Then whenever there's confusion you can come in and explain it to everyone in that special way you have that leaves everyone still confused, but happy to just let you tell them what should happen so they don't have to listen to any further explanation.

sweet burn. i had a shocker during that rule discussion - got totally confused by a foul call (offensive?) mixed with a stall.

that's why i made sure my teammates had copies of the rules - they've got to use them and keep me quiet.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on October 09, 2008, 12:05:35 AM
I think it was a pick ;D .

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Nothing is a safe bet

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Nah, I've been to Taiwan buddy, they have dirty bird.

From what I heard,

Dowle + dirty bird = unstoppable.....

I think there are a few players that would be high on the list just by putting there hands up. Indeed, almost selected by saying they want to play....


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: carlie on October 09, 2008, 11:47:19 PM
1. Diana Worman
2. Lauren Brown (Mama)
3. Ash Martens
4. Keah Molomby
5. Clare Hussey
6= Vivien Stettner / Belinda Kinneally / Rebecca McKinlay

Interesting because
Di - who knows if she wants to come back to Australia to train again
Mama - is she even going to be back from travelling the world by nationals and if so will she have done more than sprint for a bus or two (maybe that is probably enough)
Ash - i think she is interested and if injury free is a good pick
Keah - she's in, hopefully Johnno make the mens
Huss - will she be allowed to play? She largely Australian now
Viv - i see the same problem as last world games
Bel - not interested, she could end up with Viv's problme
Bec - not sure what her plans are

Then there are plenty of others missing including previous players - granny, winke, liz

I am wondering who has put their name into the hat....



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: carlie on October 14, 2008, 06:23:22 PM
"The AFDA board also voted to create an appointment panel that will consider the applications for coach, selectors and manager. This panel consists of;

Piers Truter - CHAIR
Mel Gangemi
Dave O'Brien
Sarah Wentworth

A condition of being on this appointment panel is that none of these people can apply to be coach, selector, manager or a player."

Well, that means Sarah will not be playing and neither Dave nor Piers will be coaching.  Interesting.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on October 15, 2008, 01:36:23 AM
Woah, that puts some significant names out of the hat.

The Plot thickens!

Tom Brennan for coach? Pottsy (despite his dislike of being on sidelines)? Fatty? Ruebs? Nikki Shires?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on November 16, 2008, 06:50:35 PM
World Games support team announced:

http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=588

Fatty for Coach
Ruebs is the Assistant Coach

Tim Gee and Rosalie Ashe are the team managers

Selectors are:
Pete Gardner
Matt Dowle
Fatty
Lisa McGinnigle

Matt Dowle getting onboard as a selector is a little funny considering his earlier comments about never wanting to be a selector...

I presume Pete will be rehabing hard to be back in action for World Games but can anyone confirm his intention to play?

It will be interesting to see how Fatty handles the transition from junior womens ultimate to small roster all-star mixed. Some big challenges there but also I imagine the team should be very easy to work with.

I imagine that when it comes down to the tougher selections that there will effectively be three votes for each gender instead of four (with not tie-breaker), with Matt and Lisa only voting for their respective genders.

I watch on with great interest as the players of the team and the coaching plan are revealed. Maybe I'll go to the selection camp and heckle


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on December 26, 2008, 04:13:32 PM
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Hi and merry christmas to you all,

The Selectors of the World Games team are pleased to announce the following players have asked to attend the Selection Camp, which will take place in Sydney on 31 January/1 February 2009.

Women
Katie Bradstock
Lauren Brown
Bec Carman
Liz Edye
Megan Gamble
Tania King
Ash Martens
Fiona Macrae
Keah Molomby
Michelle Phillips
Vickie Saye
Diana Worman
Lisi Jarrott
Cat Phillips (non selection)

Men
Peter Blakeley
Matt Dowle
Anthony Dowle
Peter Gardner
Jonno Holmes
Brett Middleton
Mike Neild
Joel Pillar
Tom Rogacki
Ken Shepherd
Owen Shepherd
Mark Taylor
Chris Warris
Max Wheeler
Jonathan Tatham
Tim Lavis
Gavin Moore
Jonathan Potts

Congratulations to everyone on their selection, and looking forward to seing you in January



Thanks,
Lisa
On behalf of Matt, Pete and Fatt
y


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on December 26, 2008, 06:14:44 PM
Wow.... Thats a pretty strong list.

its going to be tough to get on that side....


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tiger on December 28, 2008, 10:35:42 AM
nah i reckon you've got a pretty good shot


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris on January 06, 2009, 03:03:35 AM
I hate to have to pick the players for the 7th and 8th spots for the male portion of the team.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on January 06, 2009, 05:16:16 AM
yeah for sure...
what's going to happen now that Matt and Pete are both trying out, yet both are selectors?

one things for sure, the team is going to be competitive


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: carlie on January 06, 2009, 06:22:43 PM
Made more interesting by the fact that Pete has just had surgery and won't be playing by Feb (as far as I am aware).  Selecting will not be an easy task with so many talented players.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on January 07, 2009, 02:06:17 AM
Pete and Matt were both considered to fall into the "So good they were effectively shoe-ins" category of selectors. You either had to be that or not be trying out.

Having chatted with some Fak kidlets, Pete plans to be operational and playing at Nationals in Perth, although that would be a fairly stunning recovery. Best of luck to him.

Selections will be a bitch. Should be fun

-Tom


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on January 23, 2009, 05:24:17 AM
nah i reckon you've got a pretty good shot

Me?

I think you were having a fairly wild wet dream.

With me in it.... Curiouser and curiouser.  :D

Noobie question: what does it mean by "non selection" next to cat phillips' name? Does that mean she is just going to the camp to train with them?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: BJ on January 25, 2009, 04:16:42 AM
She's definitely going to be in the fold for such teams in the future so I can only gather that is correct. I would love to have seen some 06 and 08 juniors guys thrown in the mix with the same tag of 'non selection'. I would definitely have registered if I knew such spots were being handed out.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on February 15, 2009, 06:03:32 PM
Worlds Games Team Announced!

Team:
Diana Worman
Liz Edye
Keah Molomby
Lauren Brown
Katie Bradstock
Ash Martens
Jonathan Holmes
Matthew Dowle
Anthony Dowle
Pete Gardner
Mike Neild
Tim Lavis
Peter Blakeley

Reserves:
Lisi Jarrott
Fiona Macrae
Megan Gamble
Gavin Moore
Owen Shepherd
Jonathan Tatham

Congrats to those who made the team. I'm impressed the selectors picked Peter Blakely and Katie Bradstock...you can't teach speed!


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: uraok on February 15, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
For those heading to Kaohsiung (and congrats to those who made team - it looks an impressive line up) make sure you check out Dog Pig Art.

(http://khh.travel/upload/FineFood/Pic/722/633676293284062500.jpg)
http://khh.travel/en/food/FoodList1.aspx (http://khh.travel/en/food/FoodList1.aspx)

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You can feel the art while eating here.



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on February 16, 2009, 02:19:46 AM
thats a very strong team, Good pick on Tex and Katie...very hard to teach speed.

Whats with Pottsy not being selected? Did he choose not to play?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on February 16, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
Nah, he just didn't get picked.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on February 16, 2009, 05:56:13 PM
Anyone that knows katie and plays with her/against her has seen how good she is. She throws like a dude and she is fast (you wouldn't catch half the newcastle guys wanting to have a footrace with her with me at the top of that list). Problem is, most selectors won't have seen that, or don't see it at the try outs. So well done to them.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on February 19, 2009, 06:22:35 AM
I don't know, its a big call but I reckon that the selectors are generally aware of relative abilities of the players...

Shall be interesting to see how the team performs. Can't wait to see the footage


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: shoggy on February 20, 2009, 12:24:30 PM
pity we wont get to see matty, gack and mike all together again.

also, http://www.the-huddle.org/weblog/2009/02/20/japanese-worlds-team-announced/



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Meegs on February 21, 2009, 05:42:10 AM
She throws like a dude and she is fast (you wouldn't catch half the newcastle guys wanting to have a footrace with her with me at the top of that list).

Fuck off. She's throws like a woman who is awesome, which she is. You don't need to compare her to a man to justify that she's good. And if you respond with some patronising comment I will personally throttle you.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on February 21, 2009, 05:52:06 AM
Looking at her style, it is something you see in common with the better male handlers.

Girls throw in their own kind of way, i'll put that down to being physically different.

However, you compare Katie Bradstock to Leanne King (Or many, many top flight female throwers) and there are subtle differences in weight displacement, throwing action and follow through that is just different. Not good, not bad. Just a style more common in males than females.

I'll point it out to you at league if you like.

I wasn't being patronising. Nor was I comparing her with guys to justify the fact that she is good.... Of that I can assure you. Katie has her own unique style. I was just pointing out some similarities.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on February 21, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
She throws like a dude and she is fast (you wouldn't catch half the newcastle guys wanting to have a footrace with her with me at the top of that list).

Fuck off. She's throws like a woman who is awesome, which she is. You don't need to compare her to a man to justify that she's good. And if you respond with some patronising comment I will personally throttle you.
Dan runs like a girl, so I think it's fine for him to use such a comparison.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: timill on February 22, 2009, 03:52:20 AM
..and he talks more than a girl.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on February 22, 2009, 09:18:58 AM
pretty sure he throws like a girl too...


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on February 23, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: simmo
Dan runs like a girl, so I think it's fine for him to use such a comparison.

I can run faster than you!

..and he talks more than a girl.

Who breaks an ankle at a wedding?

pretty sure he throws like a girl too...

Lets not even get started with you.....


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on February 23, 2009, 08:59:55 PM
I can run faster than you!
Big deal. So can everyone.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Jangles on February 23, 2009, 10:48:50 PM
I can run faster than you!
Big deal. So can everyone.
i contest!!!!!!!!! i have seen pissy fly sure it was too the bar and there were free drinks on offer.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on February 23, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
pretty sure he throws like a girl too...

Lets not even get started with you.....

Oi...don't go picking on the token black guy...thats just not nice :P


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tiger on February 24, 2009, 02:05:57 AM
She throws like a dude and she is fast (you wouldn't catch half the newcastle guys wanting to have a footrace with her with me at the top of that list).

Fuck off. She's throws like a woman who is awesome, which she is. You don't need to compare her to a man to justify that she's good. And if you respond with some patronising comment I will personally throttle you.

Wow.

Just... wow.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Eels 88 on February 24, 2009, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: simmo
Dan runs like a girl, so I think it's fine for him to use such a comparison.

I can run faster than you!

..and he talks more than a girl.

Who breaks an ankle at a wedding?

pretty sure he throws like a girl too...

Lets not even get started with you.....

And you wonder why people wanna beat you?

Sexism and racism all rolled into one. Now thats the real deal...

Whats coming next? Let me guess, your a homophobe too?



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Cino on February 25, 2009, 12:23:02 AM
Oh come on Ash, you do throw like a girl!
No need to be self-conscious about it.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on February 25, 2009, 08:55:28 AM
yeah, thats why i don't handle...im there specifically for running and filling the black man quota :P


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tanty on February 26, 2009, 07:08:09 AM
Fuck off. She's throws like a woman who is awesome, which she is. You don't need to compare her to a man to justify that she's good. And if you respond with some patronising comment I will personally throttle you.

yay "Meegs"


Wow.

Just... wow.

Yay "tiger"

yeah, thats why i don't handle...im there specifically for running and filling the black man quota :P

And that's an important role too... "To a white person, having a diverse Ultimate team is almost as good as winning the championship.  Almost." (Direct quote from http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/09/23/110-frisbee-sports/)


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on February 27, 2009, 04:29:56 AM
Quote
Whats coming next? Let me guess, your a homophobe too?

Now you mention it....

What is going on with that profile picture of yours?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: ash_5 on February 27, 2009, 11:29:44 AM
personally, i love it and will be looking to recreate such moments at 09 AUC's


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Eels 88 on March 02, 2009, 08:46:17 AM
Quote
Whats coming next? Let me guess, your a homophobe too?

Now you mention it....

What is going on with that profile picture of yours?

Clearly never made it to Nationals... Or more importantly, the Nats party....


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on March 02, 2009, 06:58:59 PM
So back to actually talking about world games...Pete Gardiner re-injured his recently reconstructed knee at the BC invitational on the weekend. I'm not sure how serious it is and hopefully he'll be fine by the time world games comes around. If not who do you think his replacement will be?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on March 02, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
The reserves are Gav Moore, Oash and Tats. Depends what role they had slated for Pete (probably handler), but at a guess I'd say Owen.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on March 02, 2009, 11:28:38 PM
with such a short roster I'm not sure if they would pick Owen just because he's 'a handler.' At that level everyone can catch and throw. I think they're more likely to go with Tats or Gav, whoever they think is the least injury prone (which doesn't look good for tats...)


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on March 03, 2009, 02:07:04 AM
tats can't have much left to break.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on March 03, 2009, 02:27:14 AM
with such a short roster I'm not sure if they would pick Owen just because he's 'a handler.' At that level everyone can catch and throw. I think they're more likely to go with Tats or Gav, whoever they think is the least injury prone (which doesn't look good for tats...)
"Handler" probably isn't the right word. "Playmaker" perhaps? Tats' game is similar to the Dowles or Neild or even Jonno. I haven't seen Gav play much since WUCC, so I couldn't confidently compare him to anyone on the list. I just figured Owen's style is closer to Pete's than the other two.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: wally on March 03, 2009, 06:06:02 AM
"Handler" probably isn't the right word. "Playmaker" perhaps? Tats' game is similar to the Dowles or Neild or even Jonno. I haven't seen Gav play much since WUCC, so I couldn't confidently compare him to anyone on the list. I just figured Owen's style is closer to Pete's than the other two.
Yeah Owen is a playmaker, and it looks as though the team could do with one if they lose Pete.  I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to stack the team with players who play big though.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tiger on March 03, 2009, 07:26:02 AM
I thought that at a World Games level, Owen's strength would fall more into the 'agile' and 'defender' boxes rather than just the 'handler' box.

What sort of role does PG play? I've really only seen him after he did his ACL: nice guy, walks like an AT-ST, no idea what he does onfield.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: wally on March 03, 2009, 07:58:10 AM
I think everyone is overlooking the most important issue surrounding all this.  Who else is going to be there in the crowd to support the crocs?

The World Games will be a completely fantastic event, and more Australian crowd support could never go amiss.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tanty on March 04, 2009, 07:34:06 AM
What sort of role does PG play? I've really only seen him after he did his ACL: nice guy, walks like an AT-ST, no idea what he does onfield.

Tigsie... you trained an entire nationals season with him last year... You know what he does...
He runs lots/fast, gets free seemingly at will, catches the disc effortlessly and then throws a long backhand to score... that about sums up my observations

But I'll let you off the hook because I like you and you put in a star wars reference...


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Eels 88 on March 04, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
What sort of role does PG play? I've really only seen him after he did his ACL: nice guy, walks like an AT-ST, no idea what he does onfield.

As a another ACL-lacking type, I take offence good sir! But again, the Star Wars quote was well praid. Respect.

I heard PG hurt himself again at Canberra?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: timill on March 04, 2009, 10:24:16 PM
I heard PG hurt himself again at Canberra?

Incorrect, it was against Heads of State. And before you ask if it was an attempt from Owen to get his way onto the team, he wasn't involved.

If PG can't play I bet they pick Owen.

Also, some food for thought.. I've heard PG wasn't picked as a handler.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Eels 88 on March 05, 2009, 06:44:51 AM
I heard PG hurt himself again at Canberra?

Incorrect, it was against Heads of State. And before you ask if it was an attempt from Owen to get his way onto the team, he wasn't involved.


"At Canberra" not "against Canberra"!

Which of the HoS boys laid the smack down then?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: timill on March 10, 2009, 07:40:09 AM
woops..


It was DK.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: uraok on June 17, 2009, 03:01:12 AM
There hasn't been much talk of late about this tournament. With only a month to go, have all the players selected shrugged their respective injuries?

Some 360 photos of the stadium have been put up on the web, it looks pretty cool. http://www.360cities.net/image/090429-0918w6000cl (http://www.360cities.net/image/090429-0918w6000cl).


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: suj on June 17, 2009, 04:07:15 AM
Lol, on Twitter today (http://www.twitter.com/vcultimate):

vcultimateJason here. Working on the print forms for the Aussies for the world games. Good ol' green and gold. - jloabout 14 hours ago from web


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JdR on June 17, 2009, 06:39:55 PM
Is the draw out?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on June 17, 2009, 07:14:45 PM
Draft Draw:

Country   Seed
CAN   1
USA   2
JPN   3
AUS   4
GBR   5
TPE   6


Day 1      Field 1 (Stadium)   
8:30 AM   9:50 AM   1 v 5   
10:00 AM   11:20 AM   3 v 6   
11:30 AM   12:50 PM   2 v 4   
Mid-Day Break         
3:40 PM   3:50 PM   Opening Ceremony   
4:10 PM   5:30 PM   3 v 5   
5:40 PM   7:00 PM   4 v 6   
7:10 PM   8:30 PM   1 v 2   
         
Day 2      Field 1 (Stadium)
8:30 AM   9:50 AM   4 v 5   
10:00 AM   11:20 AM   2 v 6   
11:30 AM   12:50 PM   1 v 3   
Mid-Day Break         
4:10 PM   5:30 PM   2 v 5   
5:40 PM   7:00 PM   1 v 6   
7:10 PM   8:30 PM   3 v 4   
      
Day 3      Field 1 (Stadium)   
8:30 AM   9:50 AM   5 v 6   
10:00 AM   11:20 AM   1 v 4   
11:30 AM   12:50 PM   2 v 3   
Mid-Day Break         
4:10 PM   5:30 PM   5/6 Game   
5:40 PM   7:00 PM   Bronze   
7:10 PM   8:30 PM   Gold   


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Chris L on June 17, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
I think that they are still a bunch of busted arses...or at least Ant, Matt and Pete are. There's a training camp this weekend so surely if people aren't fit now it's time to call on those reserves??


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: DaveR on June 17, 2009, 08:38:18 PM
Ant didnt play league on Monday cos of a quad strain. Dont know how serious it is. Pete said he was feeling pretty fit, feeling the best he has for a long time, almost back to 100%. Tex was playing again aftr some time off for shin splints, and looked predicatbly ridiculously quick.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JdR on June 17, 2009, 09:59:06 PM
Thanks Rubes.

So the Aussies have USA first up, then Taiwan to finish day 1.

Day 2 is GB then Japan.

Day 3 to finish is Canada, then a playoff.

Very exciting.  Can they repeat 2005 by knocking off the USA to make the Final against Canada?  Go Aussie.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: oshep on June 17, 2009, 11:41:07 PM
Thanks Rubes.

So the Aussies have USA first up, then Taiwan to finish day 1.

Day 2 is GB then Japan.

Day 3 to finish is Canada, then a playoff.

Very exciting.  Can they repeat 2005 by knocking off the USA to make the Final against Canada?  Go Aussie.
In 2005, Australia beat Canada to then meet USA in the final.

Also Di has arrived in the country for the last 2 training camps, so everyone is on board the team now.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JdR on June 18, 2009, 12:47:49 AM
Sorry Oshep - the memory is a goin'


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tenk283 on June 18, 2009, 02:26:39 AM
Rookie question: why are there only 6 teams?

My prediction: the aussies will get to the final against canada and go down...

I think canada will make it a double (plus whatever they won at worlds), Opens World Title and World Games Gold.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: DaveR on June 18, 2009, 05:33:05 AM
from what i know, the canadian team is missing Mike Grant and Andrew Lugsdin, top scorer for canada at worlds and their captain respecitvly.  Not that their team still isnt full of monstorously good players. Sam Kennedy didnt play with Furious at Worlds, but i have seen him play, he is a freak, brings down the most massive grabs, and all the rest of the guys on the team played on the gold medal winning team. US team seemed to have a pretty exhaustive try out process...and the names are pretty good. id back the US to make the final, with a shitfight between the rest (except taipei...sorry to any taipei ultimate fans out there) the rest of the way. The fact the aussies have probably played together in various capacities may be in their advantage if they can get 13 fit players out there.

The reason there are onyl 6 teams as far as i know is to do with the fact its not an ultimate tournament alone as such. Top 5 countires from worlds qualify, plus the hosts.

Would be sick if ultivillage got out there...but thats not gonna happen.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on June 18, 2009, 07:00:46 AM
All five non-Aussie teams played at Poultry Days (I think - Ruebs will confirm) the other week, so they have the "familiarity" factor of both themselves and their opponents.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on June 18, 2009, 08:16:37 AM
Matt is fit, did a sprint session before we all watched Timmy Cahill beat up Japan.

I'm sure Jonno will have Winnie filming all the important games :)


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on June 18, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
Local station PTS (from what I can gather is their incarnation of SBS) is providing coverage (not live) of the semis and finals.

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/info_press2.php


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JdR on June 18, 2009, 07:06:19 PM
The 6 team limit (and the reason its Mixed rather than Open/Women) is because the World Games (like the Olympics) is a frickin' huge event.  Everyone wants to be there - 1000s and 1000s of athletes, officials, etc.  So they have to draw the line somewhere.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Henry on June 18, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
And they draw the line at ultimate instead of kite flying :P


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: TG28 on June 19, 2009, 07:00:47 AM
All five non-Aussie teams played at Poultry Days (I think - Ruebs will confirm) the other week, so they have the "familiarity" factor of both themselves and their opponents.

or simmo have we all now have watched them play on film and they havent seen a thing??

crocs prefer an ambush attack... slowly cruising up with just the eyes and snout out... then BAM!


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JMc on June 19, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
I heard rumour of this footage, but haven't seen it yet... can anyone give us a link?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: wally on June 20, 2009, 03:58:28 AM
And they draw the line at ultimate instead of kite flying :P

I'm a bit disappointed they're not having fly casting this year.  That was a highlight from Duisburg.  At least there's still fin swimming.  Damn that's going to off.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: DaveR on June 21, 2009, 07:09:55 AM
i like that on the world games website it is listed as a "trend sport"

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sports.php?sn=31

there is a sweet clip, mostly of australia from 05, with some nice layouts and grabs by the aussies.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Tiger on June 21, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sports.php?sn=31

That has got to be some of the most inappropriately cheesy music I have ever heard.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on June 21, 2009, 09:22:40 PM
Quote
I heard rumour of this footage, but haven't seen it yet... can anyone give us a link?

http://college2009.upa.org/video/showcase-game


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: BJ on June 22, 2009, 04:06:25 AM
What was the calibre of the Alumni team? They got chumped...

That said, US got a little sloppy in the second half.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rachelg on June 22, 2009, 04:27:51 AM
did the weather affect the training camp on the weekend? fields open? did the games against the Irukandji go ahead? Results? who played?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on June 22, 2009, 05:07:58 AM
I've played with two of the alumni team, Ryan Purcell and Rob Dulabon and they are both top notch players that any nats team would gladly have by their side.

-Tom


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on June 22, 2009, 07:04:08 PM
Quote
did the weather affect the training camp on the weekend? fields open? did the games against the Irukandji go ahead? Results? who played?

Rain wasn't too bad.
Very dodgy fields day 1, but day 2 was OK.

Salt Crocs won all 3 games against the Irukandji: (score in brackets is half time score)
13(7) - 11(3)
13(7) - 8(5) (after a 0-3 start)
13(7) - 5(3)

Crocs were without either Dowle, and Ash.

26 days to go and the Crocs are looking good.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Henry on June 23, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
Who represented for the Irukandjis?


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on June 23, 2009, 01:21:34 AM
From memory:
Kenny
Owen (played 2 games with crocs)
Pottsy
Gus
Hobbit
Gav (played 1 game with crocs)

Nicky Shires
Viv
Gamble
Snail
Vicky
Lisi



Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: Skippy on June 23, 2009, 11:02:50 AM
+ James Yorston and Dave Jarrott for a game each.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on July 05, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
Results from the last training camp:

Salts - Irukandji

13(7) - 7(2)
13(7) - 12(4)
13(3) - 11(7) - great comeback from the Crocs

Both teams were almost the same as last camp, but Crocs had Ash and both Dowles, while Irukandji added Gak.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: JdR on July 06, 2009, 08:39:14 PM
Mike Neild will be interviewed on ABC Brisbane Radio on Thursday morning @6.20am (Mike will have already completed his 24 km morning run, no doubt).

Will post links as they come to hand.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: BJ on July 11, 2009, 01:41:57 AM
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2009/07/this-may-come-as-a-surprise-but-a-member-of-the-australian-frisbee-team-is-from-brisbane---the-australian-ultimate-frisbee.html?program=612_breakfast


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: simmo on July 20, 2009, 01:08:43 AM
Found a couple of short clips posted by a spectator from the Japan/CT game. Not much action but gives an idea of the atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJP26pNhD80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sAnp5rHyug


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: wally on July 20, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
Whenever there's a Chinese Taipei game happening we get a few thousand people in the stadium.  They seem to be able to follow the game and known when to cheer, so it's a good crowd.


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rodes on July 20, 2009, 10:06:19 AM
Crocs intercept, huck and score vs USA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJ-SHeHo9Y


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: rjhberg on July 31, 2009, 06:30:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/uR3WP8V-gHY


Title: Re: World Games 09
Post by: littletom on July 31, 2009, 07:46:27 PM
Lolz! I love how the youtube video has frozen on a snapshot of what looks like a (Matt) Dowle having assumed the 'position' with Mike Neild walking up behind him. Good times, good times. 

Twas a nice high lights reel, thanks Ruebs. When will the players get their DVDs of the games? We are planning a movie night here in Canberra.


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