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Title: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 12, 2009, 03:28:44 PM
Can anyone recommend a pair of reasonably priced cleats (i'm going to be playing a fair bit more outdoor games over the coming season)? I bought a really cheap pair last year and whilst they got me through they are starting to rub and I came home today with a rather huge and painful blister on my foot, it's time to bin my cheapies and get some fairly decent ones I think.

Unfortunately there aren't too many stores nearby and so I may need to order online. I'll be checking the local Nike store since that's really my only shot without travelling too far.

Thanks for any advice you can offer.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Seppo on July 13, 2009, 09:43:36 AM
I am personally a fan of the Nike Mecurial Vapors.  They are super light and I feel very agile in them. 

(http://www.ransacker.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nike-mercurial-vapor.jpg)

http://store.nike.com/index.jsp?country=US&lang_locale=en_US&l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-100701/pid-167954/pgid-167955#l=shop,pdp,ctr-nikeid/pn-merTal50904/pbid-INSPI_130186_v9_0_20090410/piid-10848/pid-277973/cid-1

They are not cheap though.  I bought a pair last year for $110, and they only lasted one season.

Recently, due to the popularity of them on my current team, I have switched to the Nike Speed TD.

(http://images.eastbay.com/is/image/EB/18724101?wid=300&hei=300)

http://store.nike.com/index.jsp?country=US&lang_locale=en_US&l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-100701/pid-167954/pgid-167955#l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-100701/pid-167954/pgid-167955

They are heavier than the Vapors, but provide more ankle support.  Plus, they have a cleat at the tip of the toe area which my teammates really seem to praise.  It took a while to break them in, and at first they bothered the arches of my feet.  But now they are OK.  Between the two, I would prefer the Vapors.  The TDs, however, cost about $50-70 less (a savings that is tough to ignore).  I got mine from a Nike outlet store for $49.99.

Foot Locker seems to be running a sale on the Speed TDs right now:

http://www.footlocker.com/catalog/advancedSearch/keyword--nike+speed+td+sale+mens/cm--Mens/

Good luck krypt!  8)

- Seppo #22


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 13, 2009, 10:05:45 AM
Thanks Seppo,

I was looking at the "Super" Speed TD II on the nike ID site, $110 doesn't sound too expensive to me assuming that they are comfortable and get the job done. I've never scrimped on footwear before, I tend to spend alot on my basketball boots and next to nothing on vests and shorts, no idea why I scrimped on them last year.

The problem is Nike don't do international shipping and the UK website only stock soccer or rugby shoes, no football cleats. I have basketball training in 4 hours, I might pop into the local nike outlet and see if they can order football cleats in. I think football (not soccer) cleats would be best as they appear lighter due to not having to invest in a kicking surface on the top of the foot.

I'll consider vapors, they look supportive and light, I'll also welcome any other suggestions and let you know how I get on.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on July 13, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
The super speed will be my next cleat purchase, I know several people with them and they all say good things.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 13, 2009, 06:32:09 PM
If I could I'd jump on a pair of Super Speeds, getting them to the UK seems to be the problem. I'll keep an eye on ebay (but then no ID, would be nice for them to match the teams colours). I fell asleep this afternoon so didn't have time to get to the Nike outlet. It'll be unlikely they have any of the shoes mentioned though, they generally stock regular, soccer and basketball shoes only.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 14, 2009, 06:32:13 AM
I've looked at some shoes online, and think I am torn between the Nike Speed D (http://www.footlocker.com/catalog/productdetail/model_nbr--92306/sku--18745116/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20GENERAL%20SEARCH/#sku=18745116&size=13.0) and the Nike Super Speed D (http://www.footlocker.com/catalog/productdetail/model_nbr--70261/sku--13409161/cm--GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH/#sku=13409141&size=13.0)

The only difference I can make out is the height of the ankle and $50. Is that the case, or are there subtle differences I cant see? The Speed TDs that Seppo linked look great, but the soles look more suitable to playing on a hard dry surface. Since most of the outdoor stuff I do is here in the UK and over the winter months I think I'd need fewer but slightly larger grips?

Each of those shoes are joint second choice at the moment. I'm trying to get in touch with a few of my friends working at summer camp/disney in the states to have a pair of Super Speed II TDs sent to them and they could bring them home in September. If that doesn't work out then I'll go for one of the 2 above.

Thanks again,

Nick


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on July 14, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
Have you checked out Nike.com for shipping? I can' imagine a company their size doesn't have facilities all over the world to make shipping reasonable for you.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 14, 2009, 06:56:32 PM
I agree, they really should be able to ship overseas but their online help states domestic only. I might give them a call when i get home since i get free international calls from there.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: A.lieN on July 15, 2009, 12:34:40 AM
Hi,

I personally like (North American) football-styled cleats especially those from Reebok with detachable spikes, as opposed to molded spikes.  Some may say otherwise, but there is no real difference between the two types except that you can replace the spikes if the wear out or break.  You can also switch the standard 1/2" spikes to 3/4", if and when the conditions dictate, but to be honest I've never had the need to do so. 

If I may, I recommend that you check out www.eastbay.com (http://www.eastbay.com) to see the wide variety of Nike cleats and for price comparison.  I live in Canada and there isn't a huge selection of football cleats (mostly soccer) of the sort that I prefer so I have ordered on occasion from this company without hassle (except for customs).  I do believe they have worldwide int'l shipping.

All the best with your cleat search!

Neil.A


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: WrathOfCain on July 15, 2009, 10:25:28 AM
Anyone have thoughts on Soccer(football) vs. Football(football lol) cleats?
I played football in high school and since I started playing ultimate, I found that almost everyone(college, community, back home) uses soccer cleats.  I love the toe spike on the 7-nub football cleats, and can't imagine cutting without it.

I had these for football and now use for practice/pickup:
http://www.modells.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2540110
I liked them so much I got another pair(new model, diff color scheme) for tourneys, with my new school's colors of course:

Soccer cleats do look a LOT lighter, however the ankle support doesn't seem to be there.
Thoughts?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: RayJ on July 15, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
I personally use soccer cleats, but only because I bought them to play soccer :)

The site that most people in Atlanta use (since we are currently a Turfs only league) is www.zappos.com (http://www.zappos.com). They have a wide variety to choose from, ship quickly, and have good return policies.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 15, 2009, 04:52:53 PM
I think low cut football cleats would be alot more suitable than any soccer shoe. The reason is that soccer shoes have to be designed for both speed and kicking, where as football shoes (particularly runningback or WR specific ones) are designed with movements similar to ultimate cuts in mind.

I really wanted to get pimped out cleats with my initials and team colours (nike ID) and I am sorely stung by their lack of international shipping which was confirmed on the phone today. I might have to resign myself to my second choice :(


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on July 15, 2009, 05:00:39 PM
I think football cleats are/will be better than the soccer cleats I have been using, I have burnt through about 4 or 5 pairs of soccer cleats in the last 3 years. They aren't designed for the kind of cutting and use the way WR cleats for football are.

Kryp you should just get someone to buy them then ship them to you, I'd do it if you paypal in advance to poor to front it.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 15, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
That's pretty decent of you mate. The cleats I want are $122 shipped in the US, any idea how much it'd cost you to send to the UK? I'll obviously bump the price up to cover paypal fees and a general "your awesome" payment.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on July 15, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
Send me an email with your address and I'll check it out on UPS and fedex.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: jeremykanter on July 16, 2009, 04:37:53 PM
Just to add my two cents.

My favorite pair of cleats I've owned have been the Nike Super Speed TD. I came from a series of soccer cleats (including the Adidas Telstar and Nike Ronaldinho) and have found that the comfort and cleat pattern of football cleats is really more ideal for ultimate. Comfort is a huge factor since in a tournament you're playing for two solid days. Soccer cleats are built for kicking and ball control, so the materials end up not being so forgiving over the course of a tournament. Cleat pattern, as was mentioned before, can also provide an edge as the toe cleat will really help with grip when cutting or accelerating.

Anyway, the Super Speed TD is awesome. They run a tad small but are absurdly comfortable. They really just become part of your foot. The other great thing about them is the sole is a little on the soft side and very "low profile," putting your foot low to the ground and making them really comfortable to run in. I've tried cleats where you can just tell that you're standing on cleats, which is no good. With the Super Speed TD, it feels like you're running on the ground.

I loved the Super Speed TD so much when I tried it that I immediately bought a second pair. I've used those two pairs for the last season and unfortunately it looks like the one area that the Super Speed TD lacks in is durability. I exploded one pair at the ball on my right foot, and the second pair is beginning to come apart at the same spot. I've owned them almost exactly one year and was injured for a good portion of the college season.

For replacements, I decided to try out the updated Nike Speed TD (just the "Speed," not the "Super Speed"). So far my experience has been pretty disappointing. The shoe itself is nowhere near as comfortable, with cheaper-feeling, more rigid materials. The cleat pattern has been completely redone, and it's a very nice improvement. I noticed much better grip than with the Super Speeds. The Speed cleats seem perfectly designed for cutting in grass. The biggest issue I have with the Speed TD though is the sole, which has a much higher arch than the Super Speed. The arch is not only high, but very stiff, and you can feel the hard plastic inside the shoe. I've had them for several weeks now, waiting for them to break in, but I'm starting to worry that they won't.

I emailed Eastbay the other day asking if they planned to get any more of the older Super Speeds back in stock (right now they only have them in like sizes 13-15) and they told me that "the item is no longer available." I'm really bummed right now, so I'm going to start looking for an alternative. Of the low-cut football speed cleats that they carry, the Adidas Scorch Competition and Under Armour SoFlo MC looked closest to the Nike Super Speed, so I ordered pairs of those to try out, and I'll give you an update when I do. Another option would be to try the Nike Vapor Jet 4.2, which looks like a higher-end version of the new Speed, and hope that it doesn't have the same cheap feel and high, stiff arch. They're a bit more expensive though, so I'll hold off on that until I try out the Adidas and Under Armour models.

(As a side note, I would recommend molded cleats over detachables. The advantage of detachables is that you can buy different cleat types for different field conditions, but they're disadvantages are far more numerous. First, the cleats can get lost. Second, they often can't provide as effective or dense a pattern as molded cleats. Third, weight and space is wasted on the screws and screw holes, potentially making the cleats heavier and the soles less comfortable. People also say that detachables are good because you can replace the cleats as they wear down. I don't buy it, because with every cleat I've owned, the body has blown well before the cleats have run down. Then again, I've never owned detachables, so feel free to chime in if you disagree with me on any of these assessments.)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: scurry27 on July 16, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
The greatest benefit from soccer cleats is that if you get kangaroo skin leather the sides rarely bust out, it is the wear and tear on a different parts that make you need new cleats.  For me I always seem to wear out my actual cleats way before the leather looks even remotely beat up.

I really wish they would make football cleats from kangaroo skin or somehow make a mistake and make soccer cleats with a toe spike


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: ceemonte on July 16, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
first post but hey
i've been playing in some nike soccer cleats i bought in october of 2007
light and they cut well, the leather is great, even after a muddy game
i just wipe with a cloth and toothbrush
and with the mink oil i rubbed on them they still look amazing
with their age and use

but with recently spraining my ankle, with possible fracture,
i would recommend a football style with better ankle support
 soccer cleats are made to be worn with shin guards that have some ankle support built into them
 


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on July 17, 2009, 09:33:14 AM
Kryp, shipping is a no go cost if extremely prohibitive, I could buy 2 pairs for what it would cost for you to buy 1 pair and ship it.

On what Jeremy said, I would speak against under armour cleats. They are the heaviest cleats I've ever picked up, they make awesome dryfit and all that stuff but they have only been making cleats a couple years and it shows in the end. I also would speak in favor of detachable cleats because the ability to switch stud lengths for soft and hard ground is huge. Also if you think you'll lose studs just got buy a little tube of thread lock from the auto parts store for $2 and put a drop on each stud when you put it in, it sets in like 30 min.



Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 17, 2009, 09:56:47 AM
No worries Rrudnic, thanks for checking for me, seems I'll need to suck it up and get some lesser cleats. I'll probably wait a few weeks now since the nike ID cleats take about 2-4 weeks longer than any others, and I'm in no particular rush this side of september.

I like the look of the Vapor Jet 4.2 D, and the speed D looks pretty cool. I'm still shocked and surprised that Nike don't ship outside of the US. It's not too much of a surprise that their UK site doesnt stock football cleats though it's still annoying!


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on July 17, 2009, 10:37:31 AM
I have worn soccer cleats my whole life and when I started with Ultimate. I never thought of any other cleat for a couple of years. I would pick up pairs for $25 and go through them like candy. Some of my elite friends starting talking to me about the Nike Speed TD and how much better they were to play in. I thought they looked good but wasnt willing to put the price down for them around $85 at the time. But eventually I did and its been the best thing Ive done for my game since. The comfort is what first hit me, soccer cleats feel like your running on boards sometimes(not the weight but the insole comfort-no arch support). In my TD's i feel supported when I run and especially when I cut and change direction.(no more rolling ankles) The next thing I noticed was when I took my cleats off after a tourney I no longer felt like my feet were going to fall off, I actually didnt mind keeping my cleats on. The added support in the arch, ankle, and the fact that the cleats felt like they were designed to fit feet and not boards. Another huge thing is the toe cleat. This def. helps in start/stops of cuts and in laying out extension. The cleat pattern is great as it provides for good traction.

Overall Ratings: Out of 5 (cuz I want to act like im an authority on this)
Look:5 (large variety of colors and looks)
Support:4 (great arch and ankle support, also come in 3/4 high)
Comfort:4 (tournament comfort, tongue is made of polyester/nylon therefore very soft and doesnt dig in to the foot like some leather ones)
Cleat Pattern:5 (best ive seen)
Durability:3 (havent seen wear in mine but based on others opinions)
Weight:5 (very light)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: chargeorge on July 23, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
Awesome thread everyone.

I've gone through a few different sets of cleats, I started with Gaia Ultimate cleats, which were nice, but fell apart in about 6 months.  i then went to a basic soccer cleat, which lasted a year, and gave me ankle pain.  My next purchase was a linebacker cleat, which had great ankle support, but they were like running in concrete boots. Bleh.

Now I've mostly been playing in Adidas soccer cleats, which do okay, they've lasted about 2.5 years without busting, so I give them a lot of credit for that.  Though the arch support isn't great anymore which is leading to shin splints.  I'll look into that nike speed TD, or super speed. 

Though now I'm more in need of Turf Cleats, the parks department in NYC restrics the primary field we play on in NYC to turf cleats (even though it's an outdoor grass field).  I just grabbed a pair at modells after searching about 5 stores trying to find a pair, and I'm not a big fan.  does anyone have any suggestions for turfers?  It needs to be the nubbly kind, not the short spike kind. http://www.manhattanultimate.com/turf.php


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: s0urce on July 24, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
I am stupidly a fan of Gaia's.  They seem to fit my feet the best although I've busted the same rear-right cleat on two separate pairs.

DON'T buy Nike SuperBads... worst mistake ever.  The ankle support thing felt more restrictive than helpful and the material even seemed to shrink at the toe as opposed to stretch.  Definitely not worth the big bucks I paid for them.

I find most Nike products too narrow at the toe for my taste.  The Vapour's in particular were way too narrow.

I've been recommend to try the New Balance football mid-cut cleats when these (probably last) pair of Gaia's die.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on July 24, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
due to a slight financial hiccup (equally my and the university's fault) I cant afford to spend big bucks on a new pair until september, so i'm waiting until then before I splash out


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: matt.h on July 29, 2009, 03:28:41 AM
I like the look of the Vapor Jet 4.2 D, and the speed D looks pretty cool. I'm still shocked and surprised that Nike don't ship outside of the US. It's not too much of a surprise that their UK site doesnt stock football cleats though it's still annoying!

Eastbay.com ships to the UK for a flat fee of USD$30

I normally keep an eye on their website as they often have sales. I bought a pair of Nike Speed TDs when they were having a 30% off sale - essentially made it free shipping (to Australia)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Roundabout on July 30, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
I got myself a pair of Nike Total 90 Shoot cleats. They're working great so far, excellent cleat pattern, they're fairly light and relatively cheap, got my pair for about $100 CDN after tax. They've yet to give me a single blister, even though they're not fully broken in. The only issue I seem to have, is it seems that I develop some plantar fascitis after my two weekend games. I play friday and sunday, but I only seem to have pain or soreness after the sunday game. It then goes away during the week.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: AndyHarry on August 03, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
Generally speaking, a football cleat will offer more protection than a soccer cleat, while a soccer cleat will offer more mobility. I favor the mobility of the soccer cleat. I like the thinner skin of the upper and the thinner cushioning of the footbed. It allows me to 'feel' the ground better, resulting in a more efficient transfer of energy from foot to shoe to ground and thus, greater agility and quicker movement. That feedback from the ground is essential to me. I feel very sluggish in a football cleat. The extra padding and the higher profile of the upper around my ankle sometimes make getting started or changing direction feel very slow. That's a personal issue, though.

The popular Nike football cleats, the Vapor Jet and the Speed TD, are nice cleats, but I've tried both of them and ran into the same problem: the toe box of the size 9.5 absolutely crushed my toes, rendering them unwearable due to the extreme discomfort, and the size 10.0 had far too much room in it, resulting in a looser fit than I like and a lot of foot motion inside the shoe. The rougher texture of the insole also tore up my feet a bit.

As far as soccer cleats go, I've tried many. Nike Vapors, Adidas Tunits, you name it. My favorite shoe, though, with all things considered, is the Nike Tiempo (I have the Legend III now). It's a classic, and it's everything all in one. The kangaroo leather is comfortable, and it has some extra padding in the toe area. The construction is very old school, and all my Tiempos have been really durable for me. Performance-wise, it's Nike's top-of-the-line flagship for people who like a classic shoe and people who don't want to shell out $300 for Vapors or other 'advanced' performance-driven items. The new Tiempo Legend III has some nice features, too. The classic Tiempo fold-over tongue with velcro closure eliminates 'tongue dig-in' at the ankle. The sole actually has separate cleat plates for the ball and heel of the foot, saving weight from a full length sole plate. Nicely cushioned insole. Really nice cleat. I'd recommend it. Still a little steep at $130, It's quite a value considering what you'll pay for a lot of lesser-quality shoes, and it's probably available in the UK somewhere.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: samdinning on August 04, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
A nice balance between soccer and football cleats that I've found is lacrosse cleats.  They have the same benefits of football cleats in that they are slightly more rigid and designed for movements similar to those of ultimate, but they are also less bulky and often have a lower cut around the ankle. 

I'm sure that they are similar to many of the football cleats out there, but if you're looking for something a little different they are definitely worth checking out.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: jimmycaps on August 06, 2009, 12:23:16 AM
just so ya know,

eastbay.com has lowerd the prices of Nike Vapor Jet 4.2 from $120 down to $100, and the Nike Speed TDs(molded) from $85 down to $60...just throwin that out there


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on August 06, 2009, 05:13:31 AM
The drop to $60 essentially makes it free shipping to the UK.

I hope the discount continues into september, I cant really afford to buy anything until I pay my university fees at the end of this month.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: s0urce on August 12, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
A nice balance between soccer and football cleats that I've found is lacrosse cleats. 

Hmmm, the Warrior Speed Burn low's look very interesting!  Look's like they have a comfortable toe-box and a nice cleat pattern.

I am a fan of round cleats as opposed to flats.

(http://www.laxshopper.com/equipment/news/2006/Warrior_SpeedBurnLow.jpg)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on August 12, 2009, 02:21:23 PM
I've decided upon the Nike Speed Ds, but I am also buying a new bike shortly, that'll be like £600 + pedals etc and I still owe uni £1200, so it'll be a month or so before I get the cash together.

Those warriors do look pretty cool though.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on August 12, 2009, 02:27:47 PM
my friend recently purchased these.
he really likes them, they are similar to the Speed TD's and Super Speeds.
only 12 ounces

they are about 20 bucks cheaper as well :)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: jimmycaps on August 24, 2009, 11:32:37 AM
I took advantage of the eastbay sale and bought the Nike Vapor 4.2s, and with a coupon code got free shipping.
They are worth the extra money in my opinion. Those babies feel and play like a dream. Super light, and snug fit(run a half size small)

The shoes don't have a tongue, which seems a little weird until you try them on. Then it makes sence. I'm hooked.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: witterbug on August 29, 2009, 01:18:11 PM
my friend recently purchased these.
he really likes them, they are similar to the Speed TD's and Super Speeds.
only 12 ounces

they are about 20 bucks cheaper as well :)

I'm that friend and yes I like them. Now that they are broken in they are serving me quite well. We'll see how they hold up through a few tournaments. I purchased them for something around 50 bucks from a lacrosse website.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on August 29, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
Which cleats are you talking about, those Warriors?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on September 03, 2009, 10:25:51 AM
yea hes talking about the warriors


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: s0urce on September 03, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
can you link to the site?

Any clue if they ship to Canada?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: fourgon on September 03, 2009, 11:57:53 PM
Does anyone own a pair of Nike Speed D's?  I was thinking about buying a pair, but I haven't been able to find one in a store.  Just wondering if anyone could comment on how they fit.  The last time I bought a pair of cleats sight-unseen, they ended up being too small, tight and painful.

Also, are the insoles removable? 

thanks!



Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Seppo on September 04, 2009, 12:46:02 AM
Does anyone own a pair of Nike Speed D's?  I was thinking about buying a pair, but I haven't been able to find one in a store.  Just wondering if anyone could comment on how they fit.  The last time I bought a pair of cleats sight-unseen, they ended up being too small, tight and painful.

Also, are the insoles removable? 

thanks!

Fourgon, Did you mean the Nike Speed TD?

(http://images.eastbay.com/is/image/EB/18724141?wid=300&hei=300)

If so, I have a pair right now.  Beware though, this is not the cleat for you if you have flat arches like me.  I bought these cleats a few months ago.  They hurt my arches.  I was told by teammates to "break" them in.  I did and it got a bit better.  However, I think I am now suffering from some sort of stress injury on the bottom of my right foot because of these cleats.  I'm not saying it's a bad cleat, it's just not right for me.  My previous pair of cleats were Nike Mercurial Vapors and they were GREAT!  I just wish they weren't $200 USD.  Ouch!  :o

As for removable insoles, the Nike Speed TDs do have them.

Good luck!

- Seppo #22


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on September 04, 2009, 02:03:50 AM
as far as I can tell the difference between the TD and D shoes lie in the sole of the shoe different "studs" or cleats.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: ash_5 on September 04, 2009, 08:35:18 AM
I had a pair of american football cleats, and they were great, however they gave me blisters on my heels, i found the traction in them sweet. However i've recently been turned onto Puma V1.08 Cleats, they're soccer shoes but the front studs are fairly far forward. They're super light (weight about 8 ounces) and after a few sessions in them they moulded to my feet perfectly and i havent had a problem with them since. They're available throught eastbay for about $140 but theres a site in the UK called www.lovellrugby.co.uk that also sells them and i think theyre about £50+ shipping which is about £10.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Seppo on September 04, 2009, 10:40:19 AM
OH!  Apologies Fourgon.  I didn't know Nike made a Speed D shoe.  I simply thought you had inadvertently left out the "T" in your post.  Oops  :-\

I see this is the Nike Speed D:

(http://www.footlocker.com/images/products/large_w/13409141_w.jpg)

A low cut football cleat.  I would think this cleat would only be good in the deepest of turfs/grass or muddy conditions.  Playing on tough to very tough ground would prove painful and traction-less (I would think) in these cleats.   ???

- Seppo #22


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: fourgon on September 04, 2009, 11:44:52 AM
Hi Seppo,

Thanks for your responses!  Yeah, i was talking about the Nike Speed D.  But thanks for your input on the TD's too. 

I'd love to get the Nike Mercurial Vapors like you mentioned, but also like you, it's a bit out of my price range!



OH!  Apologies Fourgon.  I didn't know Nike made a Speed D shoe.  I simply thought you had inadvertently left out the "T" in your post.  Oops  :-\

I see this is the Nike Speed D:

(http://www.footlocker.com/images/products/large_w/13409141_w.jpg)

A low cut football cleat.  I would think this cleat would only be good in the deepest of turfs/grass or muddy conditions.  Playing on tough to very tough ground would prove painful and traction-less (I would think) in these cleats.   ???

- Seppo #22


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: witterbug on September 04, 2009, 12:34:06 PM
can you link to the site?

Any clue if they ship to Canada?

http://www.lacrosse.com/Navigation.process?Ne=178&Srp=24&N=4294959025+730 (http://www.lacrosse.com/Navigation.process?Ne=178&Srp=24&N=4294959025+730)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Vano on September 04, 2009, 04:05:31 PM
Fourgon, Did you mean the Nike Speed TD?

(http://images.eastbay.com/is/image/EB/18724141?wid=300&hei=300)

If so, I have a pair right now.  Beware though, this is not the cleat for you if you have flat arches like me.  I bought these cleats a few months ago.  They hurt my arches.  I was told by teammates to "break" them in.  I did and it got a bit better.  However, I think I am now suffering from some sort of stress injury on the bottom of my right foot because of these cleats.  I'm not saying it's a bad cleat, it's just not right for me.  My previous pair of cleats were Nike Mercurial Vapors and they were GREAT!  I just wish they weren't $200 USD.  Ouch!  :o

As for removable insoles, the Nike Speed TDs do have them.

Good luck!

- Seppo #22

Would removing the arches and replacing them with flat ones fix the problem? Other than the arches how good of a cleat are they? Everyone raves about them.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: s0urce on September 04, 2009, 04:45:57 PM
nice, thanks.

Looks like the 3.0 model won't be out until November, and they don't have the 2.0 in my size... the 3.0's look pretty sweet though.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on September 09, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
Fourgon, Did you mean the Nike Speed TD?

(http://images.eastbay.com/is/image/EB/18724141?wid=300&hei=300)

If so, I have a pair right now.  Beware though, this is not the cleat for you if you have flat arches like me.  I bought these cleats a few months ago.  They hurt my arches.  I was told by teammates to "break" them in.  I did and it got a bit better.  However, I think I am now suffering from some sort of stress injury on the bottom of my right foot because of these cleats.  I'm not saying it's a bad cleat, it's just not right for me.  My previous pair of cleats were Nike Mercurial Vapors and they were GREAT!  I just wish they weren't $200 USD.  Ouch!  :o

As for removable insoles, the Nike Speed TDs do have them.

Good luck!

- Seppo #22

Would removing the arches and replacing them with flat ones fix the problem? Other than the arches how good of a cleat are they? Everyone raves about them.

I love this cleat, although I have a normal arch, not flat footed. i can see how this would be a problem though if you do have flat feet.
the arch is something i love about this cleat to be honest with you, its the main reason why these cleats are so comfortable. ive never had cleats with this nice of a support.
i can see why they would hurt you. i would try removing the arch support and replacing them with something else.

i love the Speed TD, i wont buy anything else unless something unexpected happens to mine.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on September 12, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
Just ordered a pair of Speed TDs this week, shipping across the pond might take weeks unfortunately, I wish they'd just shove them on a plane! $85 delivered to Scotland isn't too bad though, really looking forward to trying them out.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on September 12, 2009, 07:58:22 PM
Dont feel bad about the shipping time I ordered them and its supposed to take 18-22 days shippin gin the US, they will be sweet though. I just hope the size is right I went and tried on some other Nike's at a store.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on September 13, 2009, 06:36:56 AM
I didn't really have the option of trying them on, football cleats don't really get sold over here. I play a lot of basketball and exclusively use nike shoes (jordans) for that, I went with the sizing for those and for nikes soccer shoes to make a reasonable guess at the size. I went with a 13, if they don't fit I can always buy a new set and sell my first set to one of the football teams in the UK, I'm sure they'd sell pretty easily.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on September 13, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
I have a question about the Nike Vapor 4.2's for anyone who has tried them. I can't seem to find any in stores near me, so my only option is to order online. I don't really want to do this if there is a chance they won't fit though. Would you say they fit like a Super Speed would, size wise? So I could go try on one of those shoes, find the right size, and get that size in Vapors. Anybody know?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on September 14, 2009, 10:24:46 AM
I didn't really have the option of trying them on, football cleats don't really get sold over here. I play a lot of basketball and exclusively use nike shoes (jordans) for that, I went with the sizing for those and for nikes soccer shoes to make a reasonable guess at the size. I went with a 13, if they don't fit I can always buy a new set and sell my first set to one of the football teams in the UK, I'm sure they'd sell pretty easily.

I ordered my usual size in these (Nike Speed TDs) and I had to take them back at first. I ordered a 10.5 (which I usually where in non-Nike cleats) and they were too small.
So I then bumped my order up to 11.5 and they fit great. I probably could have squeezed in a 11 but I went ahead and skipped a size. So yeah Nike run small normally.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on September 14, 2009, 02:05:15 PM
Oh, I'm a bit worried about the sizing now, but like I say a 13 is what I wear in my basketball shoe and in my soccer shoe, both made by Nike. It's not the end of the world if they don't fit, but I really don't want to have to wait another 6 weeks for a 2nd delivery.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: evanhp on September 14, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Oh, I'm a bit worried about the sizing now, but like I say a 13 is what I wear in my basketball shoe and in my soccer shoe, both made by Nike. It's not the end of the world if they don't fit, but I really don't want to have to wait another 6 weeks for a 2nd delivery.
youre probably good if you kept it consistant with Nike sizing
i hadnt had Nike cleats in a while


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on September 14, 2009, 08:14:38 PM
Anybody have experience with the Underarmor SoFlos? According to Eastbay they are just .1 ounces heavier than the Vapor 4.2's, I just can't find much in the way of reviews.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: JSnyder517 on September 14, 2009, 09:37:47 PM
I don't have any real reviews as I've never used them, but a guy on my team who's apparently a very well-respected college player in the southwest U.S. transferred to UF and is on my intramural team wears them. That's something, I guess.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: s0urce on September 15, 2009, 12:54:44 PM
Nike's are narrow, so if you have wide feet you usually have to bump up a half or full size.  I just avoid them


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: jimmycaps on September 21, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
I have a question about the Nike Vapor 4.2's for anyone who has tried them. I can't seem to find any in stores near me, so my only option is to order online. I don't really want to do this if there is a chance they won't fit though. Would you say they fit like a Super Speed would, size wise? So I could go try on one of those shoes, find the right size, and get that size in Vapors. Anybody know?

I say get them a half size biger than you normally would. If you live near a Nike Town store, they will have them there to try on. I drove about ahalf hour to find a store to try them on first, but it was worth it. they're amazing


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Vano on September 22, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
So I just got my Speed TD's delivered yesterday. For anyone who wanted another review of these cleats (or even if you didn't) here goes: I usually wear sz 12 or 12.5. I got a 13 in these and they fit perfectly with some fairly thin athletic socks. I would consider my feet to be more on the wide side and these are a great fit. I have normal arches which are more on the flat arch side. The shoes are great, I don't anticipate the arch being a problem, it's not really that high in the shoe. Of course I haven't played in them yet but these cleats look amazing. Can't wait to get out there.



Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Vano on September 22, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
How is the fitting of the mercurial vapors?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: theSILENTruner68 on September 22, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
so what I am getting from these posts is that soccer cleats are ok and that light football cleats are better? Because my ankles are ok, its just that in the running shoes I have I can't cut at all, I like fall down or slip every time in the grass. What would you guys suggest?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on September 22, 2009, 06:58:05 PM
I'd suggest anything with cleats to be honest! I've played a variety of sports on grass before Ultimate (mainly rugby and soccer) and cleated shoes help in all sports on grass. Nike Speed TD is only $60 on eastbay.com, as is the "Speed D Low" both of which I have been told are amazing. As I said earlier, I'm waiting for my TDs to arrive, I think they are coming by a pidgeon via Australia....


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Vano on September 24, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
So today was a very good day. I bought a pair of Speed TD's on ebay ($25.50 shipped) and they arrived promptly a few days later. Then today out of nowhere another pair arrived. Apparently the guy I bought it from screwed up and now I got a free pair of sick cleats!


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on September 24, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
Oooh, what size? Any chance you'd part with them at a nice price?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Vano on September 25, 2009, 04:19:03 PM
13's.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: theSILENTruner68 on September 26, 2009, 01:06:29 PM
http://www.footlocker.com/product/model:105146/sku:902207/adidas%20Corner%20Blitz%208%20MD%20Mid%20-%20Men%27s?supercat=mens&size=10.5&cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH

THese are the adidas Corner Blitz 8 MD Mid. anyone buy these and can tell me how they are?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: JCoWslinger on September 27, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
Might as well throw in my 2 cents.
I used to play ice hockey, and as a product of that, I have extremely strong ankles.  I also used to play soccer and when I first bought cleats to play higher level ultimate in, I went soccer.  I have friends that played football that went the football route.  It really comes down to what YOU want in a cleat and what your ankles are capable of taking.  I know guys who can cut like champs in soccer cleats, I also know guys who handle in football studs.  Whatever you feel comfortable in, is what you should play in.  I need the lightest cleats available because I'm a smidge better than average in terms of speed, so I need all the help I can get.  I just recently bought some cleats for a good price that are very comfy and I feel are going to last a good while.  Here's a linky http://www.motorcitysoccer.com/browse.cfm/4,1370.html


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: jimmycaps on September 30, 2009, 03:06:41 AM
http://www.footlocker.com/product/model:105146/sku:902207/adidas%20Corner%20Blitz%208%20MD%20Mid%20-%20Men%27s?supercat=mens&size=10.5&cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH

THese are the adidas Corner Blitz 8 MD Mid. anyone buy these and can tell me how they are?

I've never had 'em, but I'd say stay away. Those things look heavy and horrible to cut in. Look for reciever cleats or soccer cleats.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on October 01, 2009, 06:24:32 AM
I just got my Nike Speeds, they are amazing, I used them outdoors yesterday and they were incredibly comfortable. Due to the great indoor surface we have at uni I will try them indoors tonight to see what they are like there too.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on October 01, 2009, 10:13:25 PM
This is only mildly related, but I suppose it is about cleats. I, for whatever reason, enjoy having very unorthodox, yet practical shoes in my various sports. I'll be buying a pair of Nike Speeds soon, and want to make them something different and eyecatching. Would it at all hurt the shoe to use spray paints on it do you think?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: kryptonick on October 02, 2009, 07:37:14 AM
I would simply use nike ID for them to be honest.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on October 02, 2009, 08:55:12 AM
I would simply use nike ID for them to be honest.

I agree, thats what I did, its free just take an extra month to get your cleats, I'm 2 weeks into the wait now.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on October 02, 2009, 05:19:45 PM
Who did you do this through? I just looked on the nike id website and they didn't offer the Speed TD in ID.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: rrudnic on October 02, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
Guess its just the Super Speed on Nike Id.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on October 02, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on October 05, 2009, 07:15:18 AM
....I'm really not sure what was up with the almost word for word repost of my question, but in case anybody else wanted to do something like it, I did find some information about painting the shoes. You have to use acetone to rub the protectant off the leather first, then use something like Angelus leather paints on them. I'll probably do this over the winter, and show you folks how it turns out.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on August 16, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
Not to necropost, but I figured since this is sorta the go-to thread for cleats questions and such I would post it here.

Has anybody tried any of this year's models of cleats? I'd love to hear what you think! I just ordered some Adizero Scorches from Eastbay's Amazon store (free shipping and a $10 off deal ;D ), so I'll be sure to pop in here and let you guys know what I think!


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: AndyHarry on August 16, 2010, 09:24:30 PM
The adizero Scorches are nice and quite comfortable, but they seem very flexible and soft when compared to the Nike Vapor Carbon Fly, which is an improvement over the Vapor Jet 4.2 in every way. The carbon fiber sole plate is very rigid, which I find gives me an extra spring in my step and takeoff. Adidas shoes generally run large though, while Nikes run small. I generally wear a 9 in Adidas product and a 10 in Nike product.

If you like soccer cleats, the adizero F50 is extremely light, as in, nearly track spike-esque (5.8-6.2 oz.), and they feel like a glove on your foot. I find them very comfortable even thought they are extremely minimal and look like they'd give you blisters. I even wear them barefoot sometimes. There's a leather version (which I think is more comfortable, also has a snugger fit and better long-term break-in, if you ask me) and a synthetic version (a fraction of an ounce lighter, also has a little less protection and more room inside).


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ben-I on August 17, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
I have to say, the nike Carbons were VERY comfortable when I tried them on, however I just couldn't find a good size. I tried a 9, which felt perfect except for an overly small toe box. the 9.5 though had a perfect to box, but was a tad too big in the rest of the shoe


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: gaz on August 24, 2010, 03:27:05 AM
Seems like mostly NFL cleats have been treated...I've exclusively used soccer cleats for ulti. That's not to say that one variety is worse/better - that's just the way I roll  :) A quick bit of context: I'm 6', ~70kg, play predominantly on firm grass, slight pronator with narrow feet, have been involved in track athletics and am not nearly as good a player as I would like to think I am. Am also a shoe slut, so can give a quick rundown (disclaimer: opinionated and biased) of a variety of relatively recent soccer shoes.

Note that the Nike & Adidas shoes have no toe cleat - there is about a 1/2"-1" clear space at the front of the soleplate with no cleat. Some players swear by the toe cleat; one of the best players I know does perfectly well without it.

Mercurial Vapor IV FG: Took a long time to break in, still give blisters on both sides of the heel. Reasonably lightweight, narrow, provides minimal impact cushioning and support, relatively flat fitting sole/contour, fairly rigid upper reduces rolling sensation when changing direction. Love the cleat pattern (which has now changed in the forefoot for the Vapor VI's...), forget about wearing them if playing in puddles – watertightness due to lace cover means they fill up like gumboots and won’t drain. Otherwise, responsive feel and quite stable.

Mercurial Vapor SL: As above, but lighter, run 1/2 size large, stiffer sole plate, lovely big heel cleats that dig into the grass something chronic, doesn't have an inner cleat under the ball of the foot which can be noticeable when trying to accelerate and turn simultaneously, relatively rigid soleplate (carbon fibre) for good toe-off, watertight again. Provide great feel of the ground underneath and grip very well.

Mercurial Superfly: 1/2 size large, even longer time to break in, wider and taller around the forefoot, tongue is annoyingly short such that the top row of laces often slips over the tongue, top points of sides dig into ankles on inside and outside as they are slightly high compared to rest of shoe opening, got rid of those stupid pads inside the heel but still rubs worse than the SL’s and IV’s, also a fairly firm carbon fibre soleplate, heel cleats again, feels very plastic-y (like hard Tupperware plastic, not cling wrap plastic). Typical Mercurial responsiveness/feel but the upper is too rigid and uncomfortable for the $$$.

Nike Total 90 II K-FG (note the current T90 III's are quite different): Kangaroo leather provides for a nice snug fit all around the foot, cleat pattern is solid and individual cleats are large and well-defined, very little impact support and resulted in me developing severe and lasting plantar fasciitis, frustrating dual lacing system to facilitate striker's pad where the laces would usually be, very heavy upper due to rubber striker’s pad, very flexible soleplate, get a strange feeling of the shoe upper ‘sliding’ over the top of the soleplate when changing direction hard. Great traction but less lateral stability – for the extra weight I’d recommend the Asics...

Asics Tigreor 3 IT: raised heel with associated cushioning and support does wonders to reduce impact injuries & soreness, kangaroo leather provides for great fit, cleats too shallow/small esp. under forefoot, slightly angled cleats (i.e. from base of soleplate to tip of cleat) don't stick into the grass as well as a straight cut – appreciably more slips while wearing these, smallish toe cleat/accumulation of plastic, more contoured sole provides good arch support, raised heel (patented...booo!!!) feels phenomenal. Great training/general use cleat, but lacks traction performance that I would like for a high-level tournament.

Adidas adiZero F50 FG: ‘tis new so not had much time in it, very light indeed, smallish cleats provide surprisingly good traction, narrow rearfoot but widens significantly through the mid- and forefoot, tall through the midfoot although a higher arch than I expected, large uncleated area at toe of soleplate, soft in the forefoot but rigid midfoot, surprisingly secure rearfoot locks the heel in nicely, counterintuitive asymmetric lacing for soccer strikers slightly restricts tightening around the midfoot. Early signs seem very positive...

General comments: kangaroo leather provides a more contoured fit around the foot as it tends to mould into shape, there is a very noticeable difference between the weight of the leather shoes and the lighter synthetic shoes – even the difference between the Superfly & adiZero is noticeable – particularly when chasing a long disc, never assume that just because one size works for you in one type of shoe that it is applicable to another type (soccer or NFL cleats) by the same manufacturer, my method is usually to try a shoe on at a store and then order from Eastbay, I get over the absence of a toe cleat when throwing by rolling onto the top of my toe but not dragging (interpret the rules as you may...WFDF 18.2.6.4), lightweight soccer boots are generally lighter than lightweight NFL boots but have lower cut ankles, only the Asics provide any real support/cushioning, I find that most of the aforementioned boots accommodate my own capabilities in terms of cutting/handling/top end running – the SL’s or perhaps F50’s are my top pick due to traction, lightweight and feel at the sacrifice of a bit of comfort.

Remember, this is all just an opinion  :) Hope it helps some of you - sorry about the length.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Pepper on September 11, 2010, 05:41:21 AM
I recently ordered ASICS Gel Lethal Ultimate IGS 5 cleats, which are basically rugby/lacrosse shoes. I read about many world class referees having these shoes as well as players of all levels. Since lacrosse/rugby and ultimate have in common that you don't actually use your feet (that much) for controlling the playing object (disc, (rugby) ball), the focus of these shoes is more on being lightweight and providing good grip.

I would recommend these to everyone playing ultimate. In the European Union they are hard to come by, since rugby/football (i.e. not meaning soccer) isn't a big sport in many countries. So look for a UK online shop and try the size of the shoe with Asics running shoes, since they have the same sizes as the rugby shoes.

Meanwhile, a new version is available in the US and Australia: Asics Gel Lethal Ultimate IGS 6:

(http://www.asics.com.au/getattachment/7ca19073-6d1b-4614-836b-b273fe1b397a/GEL-LETHAL-ULTIMATE-IGS-6.aspx)


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ka-ching on September 29, 2010, 09:34:07 AM
Anyone here ever try the Warrior Men's Burn Speed 3.0 Low (http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3743164&cp=2367438.2367454.2866814.2866815) cleats? It looks like Dicks Sporting Goods is having a sale and I can get them for $30 with free shipping.

Anyone know how they fit, and if they're any good? Also if you have a pair, how do they fit size wise? I know Nike runs about a size smaller than most other shoes, but anyone know how the Warrior's sizes are?


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Seppo on September 29, 2010, 10:49:31 AM
Hmmm, never heard of those Warrior cleats before.  Not a bad price (from $90 to $30).  Makes em a little suspect though.  Nothing good in life ever gets less expensive.  ;)

But, seeing as how Dick's will take merchandise back, it can't hurt to order a pair and see how they fit.

Let us know how they work out.


Title: Re: Cleats
Post by: Ka-ching on October 06, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
I just got my Warrior Burn Speeds today and after trying them out, my first impression is pretty good. They fit me quite well, and are comfortable enough right out of the box, which I hope will be better once they're broken in. I don't have much experience with cleats, but they are a HUGE improvement over my baseball cleats. They're lightweight and have a nice cleat pattern with good grip. However, they do have a "cheaper" feel about them, I'm interested in seeing how long they'll hold up.

Summing it up, I like them a lot, and I think they're a good buy for the $30 dollars I paid for them. :)


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