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Title: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: timill on August 06, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
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The AFDA have received an inquiry from WFDF to find out if we would be able to send teams to an u23 World Championships in Europe next year. The proposed dates for the tournament are 17-24 July, which places it about 2 weeks after World Clubs in Prague. The proposed divisions are Open, Women and Mixed.

I am writing to you to gauge how much interest there is for this event. I would really appreciate if you could take a few moments and write to me and let me know if you are interested (or not). In fact negative replies are as useful as positive replies. It would help me to respond to WFDF if you could get back to me ASAP. Bear in mind that you would need to be 23 years of age or younger in 2010 to be able to participate.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Piers Truter (AFDA Director, High Performance)


Discuss:


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on August 07, 2009, 12:30:48 AM
This concept gives me a mild erection.

Not a full blown rock hard woodie.

But a half mast meatstick.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Tiger on August 07, 2009, 08:48:09 PM
As long as none of those pesky u19's take our spots, right guys??


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: The Brucemaster on August 07, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Sounds like a fudgin' good idea to me.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Lex on August 08, 2009, 12:01:24 AM
Figgin Junior worlds...


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: JMc on August 08, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
(News update: there's now an AFDA rego page for putting up your interest, as well as an email group to keep up to date with what's happening... if you don't have the details, ask someone)

I'll be very interested to see what the campaign looks like, if this goes ahead. Obviously for WUGC, we've moved towards a long, structured preparation phase to get the best possible teams. Same with World Games - our prep is pretty good.
This tourney presents some different challenges though...
1) Closeness to WUCC = less support staff for the team, divided interest for many team members
2) Closeness to WJUC = less support staff for the team
3) Small selection pool, most likely
4) Late announcement (it's in 11 months from the time we've first heard of it)

Wonder what that means for selection process, training camps, coaching/leadership of the team, admin/managerial support, etc?

Either way, I'm pretty keen on this.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on August 09, 2009, 03:22:50 AM
Upon further thought, this is farkin awesome. List making time!

I agree with Jmac's sentiments in regards to the lead times, however;

I would assume that the under 19's and the under 23's would be mutually exclusive campaigns, eg. If you're playing U/19's, you aren't playing U/23's. It's a big ask to get players to play two (or possibly three) large tournies within a month (Would be sick though!). I think Piers' thoughts were that the two groups would train together though.

In regards to the support staff, I think it could go either way. Some who may be in Europe for WUCC may tag this on to the end of their trip, when if it was just U23WC, they may not have made the trip. Same with WJUC.

The selection pool is mid 40's the last I asked. My lists show 48 people eligable between 06, 08 juniors and a couple of ring ins like the eley boys (not that they'll make it).


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: simmo on August 09, 2009, 05:26:25 AM
I'd be interest in a manager role. Looking to travel over there around that time anyway.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Frank on August 09, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Why stop there?

I think an under 25, 27 and 29 world champs would also be a great idea.

Everyone's a winner!


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on August 09, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
OOOHH SOMEBODY SOUNDS BITTER!!

GET YOUNGER FRANK.

OH WAIT. YOU CAN'T.

UNLUCKY.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Meegs on August 11, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
No way! In 2004 I was 10 days too old for Junior Worlds and NOW they decide to do this when I'm too old again!! Stupid WFDF. :P


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: The Brucemaster on August 12, 2009, 12:20:36 PM
That's part of my justification for supporting this. I missed out on Junior Worlds by a few months so this is a good chance to get my revenge...


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on August 13, 2009, 01:24:17 AM
So has anyone attempted mocking up a team yet? I jotted a couple of things down but haven't got anything solid as yet I don't think.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: simmo on August 13, 2009, 04:16:51 AM
What you put together isn't solid? Fucking hell Moz, I'd hate to see a 100% effort.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Tiger on August 13, 2009, 10:05:19 PM
In response to that CK guy's thoughts in the shoutbox:

U23 is a pretty good idea for a division. Most people of university age fit into this bracket, and that's where most folk pick up the sport.

I'd have thought America and Canada, who have no shortage of college athletes in this age bracket compared to the rest of the world, would be behind this idea.

Also, it's not like in Australia, where the most promising U23 folk can realistically try out and make the national team - you guys not only have to be good enough, but be on a good enough team.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Henry on August 20, 2009, 08:29:33 AM
Taken from an email from Piers:
"Given the short time frame until  u23 Worlds - the next steps will be appointing selectors, coaches and managers. There will likely be a deposit to be paid (to be included in selection) and selection stuff could start as early as unigames (demo games and stuff). "

Maybe the Green and Gold medals might actually have some purpose this year seeing as U23s are mostly Uni age students?


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Eels 88 on August 23, 2009, 09:41:07 PM
The selection pool is mid 40's the last I asked. My lists show 48 people eligable between 06, 08 juniors and a couple of ring ins like the eley boys (not that they'll make it).

I'll give you ring in....

While you may only be half-mastie, some of us wern't even playing ultimate for '06 WJUC thus throbbing at the prospect...


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: wetnose on August 24, 2009, 09:36:47 PM
So it's under 23, yet the email from Piers said that you have to be 23 or younger in 2010. Does that mean people that are born in 1986 are eligible (they turn 24 in 2010) as long as they don't turn 24 before the tournament or only 1987 and after? Or even 1988 and after?


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Tiger on August 24, 2009, 11:17:42 PM
People born after 31st December, 1986? I don't know. They'd only be holding it every four years anyway, looks like most of us just have this one shot at it.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Meegs on August 25, 2009, 01:34:41 AM
I would imagine it would be the same kind of thing as juniors, which would mean people born in 1987 and later. In 2004 I was 19 while worlds was on, but wasn't eligible because I was turning 20 in late December.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Big Tom on August 25, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
Well i'd be more interested than Brettski about a drunk highschool girl. But seriously can someone post a link to the afda page. My inability to find it is making me angry.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on August 25, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
http://www.afda.com/rego/showdivision.php?divisionid=1181


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: wisey on August 26, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Thanks for posting that mozza... Since your so helpful and have lots of time to check thing... Could you also post me the results from the st kilda - essendon game this year!


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Blink on August 26, 2009, 11:30:35 PM
yes, I am interested in this also


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Big Tom on August 26, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Yes thankyou very much for that. There is now another expression of interest. WooT!!!!


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Henry on August 27, 2009, 12:41:00 AM
Looks like it's going to be a ridiculously hard team to make!  Shame they've shelved the idea for a mixed team at the moment, looks like there would be enough depth in the guys and girls to have 3 competitive teams over there


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Big Tom on August 27, 2009, 12:53:41 AM
Shame they've shelved the idea for a mixed team at the moment, looks like there would be enough depth in the guys and girls to have 3 competitive teams over there

Damn!! Well there goes my chance. I love playing mixed, I get to play with girls ;)

Oh well. Back to the drawing board. How about world champs just for people born in march, who are over 6 foot and 90 kg. I'd make the under 23 team then.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Henry on August 27, 2009, 12:56:50 AM
I think next on the list is the sub-6ft worlds if Rueben has his way :P

If your idea comes to fruition though, let me know Tom.  I just need to add a few kilos and I'm set!


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Ian M on August 27, 2009, 06:47:46 AM
I would watch dwarf ultimate, make it happen for me Henry.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Seppo on August 31, 2009, 08:09:52 PM
I've been told the UPA does not plan to sponsor or send any USA teams for this proposed U23 event.  Does anyone know the validity of this?

- Seppo #22


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: simmo on August 31, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
I know that 10 countries are planning teams. USA is not one of them.

They don't seem to be interested in competitions they know they may not win.

And then they'll moan about adding an asterix to the winner's column because they weren't there.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on September 01, 2009, 06:13:07 PM
I reckon the US will send a team and the tournament is announced. Build it and they will come sorta thing. They won't be able to stand the thought of other countries taking their medals.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: roboguro on September 02, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
Bummer if the US doesn't send a team.
'Cuz I wanted to try out :/


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on September 02, 2009, 08:00:40 PM
Get on to them and get a fist up their arse then.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Tiger on September 02, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
I have a hard time believing that the US wouldn't medal at this proposed tournament.

Sure, maybe the spread of development in high school and college is uneven, but with the kinds of numbers they have playing, sure they could get a skeleton crew.

They'll never get gold though. Australia looks too damn good.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on September 02, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
Way to put the target on the back tiger.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Hugh McCormack on September 02, 2009, 11:18:44 PM
How about world champs just for people born in march, who are over 6 foot and 90 kg. I'd make the under 23 team then.

Goddmmit, I was born 1st of April! now I'll never make worlds


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: NickyD on September 03, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
how many are typically selected?


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: moroney on September 03, 2009, 02:20:40 AM
Depends on the country, but I wouldn't see a team taking less than 17 or more than 25


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: Jangles on September 08, 2009, 11:34:11 PM
No way! In 2004 I was 10 days too old for Junior Worlds and NOW they decide to do this when I'm too old again!! Stupid WFDF. :P

I feel your pain at least i am 2 years to old. But i only started playing at 20 so all these young pups who have been playing just aas long and have bodies that don't suffer as bad the next day.


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: PiersTruter on September 11, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
The plan at the moment for u23 selection in Australia is to announce selectors for the u23 teams in the next few days. There will be a subset of the two selection committees at AUGs and they will be involved in selecting the Green and Gold team. There will also be a mixed exhibition game on Wednesday (North vs South) for u23 team hopefuls.

I expect that the first training camp for the u23 teams will be in January, but we will have to wait for the appointment of the head coaches for that information to be more than speculation. The application process for the head coaches will start in the next week or so.

All we need now is for WFDF to announce the tournament. :-)


Title: Re: Proposed u23 World Championships
Post by: kiely on September 14, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
The plan at the moment for u23 selection in Australia is to announce selectors for the u23 teams in the next few days. There will be a subset of the two selection committees at AUGs and they will be involved in selecting the Green and Gold team. There will also be a mixed exhibition game on Wednesday (North vs South) for u23 team hopefuls.

I expect that the first training camp for the u23 teams will be in January, but we will have to wait for the appointment of the head coaches for that information to be more than speculation. The application process for the head coaches will start in the next week or so.

All we need now is for WFDF to announce the tournament. :-)

if you registered your interest do you have to play in the game at aug's?


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