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16  General / Ulti Talk / Re: Training on: December 01, 2008, 11:42:36 PM

Since nobody knows how to get into perfect shape for any sport, and less research has gone into frisbee than many sports, I doubt anyone here could tell you. 

I think this is true. Sports science is very fuzzy imo. I am very distrustful of people who try and ape other sports when trying to develop a training plan.

I think the best way is to try different things and see what works best for you.
Personally I think plyos and core strengthening are largely a waste of time, particularly if you only have six weeks. They may give you an extra 1 or 2 per cent, but you can make far greater gains elsewhere.

I am a very lazy trainer, so I have next to no authority on this topic, but far and away the most effective thing I have ever done that helped me noticeably when playing, was smashing myself on the track, doing 400m sprints. Also doing intervals, like walk the turns and sprint the straights. About 90 minutes of track work, twice a week, and you'll be flying. Forget everything else (imo).
17  Regional / Australasia / Re: Second tier nationals on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:48 AM
We could just all go to watch Nationals and get smashed every night.

up for it
18  Regional / Australasia / Re: Mixed Nationals 2008 on: October 23, 2008, 06:10:48 AM

The weather here is much better in late October than early September. It was high 20s all round on the weekend just gone.

I'm sorry but I just do not believe that statement.
19  Regional / Australasia / Re: Mixed Nationals 2008 on: October 16, 2008, 07:28:13 AM
I was having a look at the Mixed Nats website, and found something that made me laugh - the info about the party:

SUNDAY night: PAAARRTTYY!! at Uber in Boundary Rd West End. Bring your best gambling, cheesey, chinzy gear - there will be prizes! NOTE, we are required by the establishment to be clothed and to wear closed in shoes.

Funny how there is an explicit warning for people to keep their clothes on. I'm sure this has never been asked before. There can only be one explanation:

20  Regional / Australasia / Re: Mixed Nationals 2008 on: September 29, 2008, 02:27:15 AM
Tribe of Miniature Horse beat Vintage in a practice game on the weekend
(They did have Gak but not many others)
(Plus I asked them not just to huck it to Gak which the graciously complied with)


It's like playing cricket as a little kid in the backyard, bowling against your dad. He would just knock it around for a single each time, when you know he could have smashed every ball over the fence for six if he wanted to.
21  Regional / Australasia / Re: The Road To Melbourne - 2008 university ultimate on: August 25, 2008, 02:59:16 AM
Haha nice one Moz.

22  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: August 07, 2008, 03:30:49 AM
Poor Pommies, gonna cop it sweet I think.

It's 'Ashes Day' at WUGC2008
23  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: August 05, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
Ahh yes now the Open pools make sense. When I last looked GB was in that bottom pool (division 2), that didn't make sense, but it appears to be rectified.

I don't want to be a captain bringdown, but is anyone else a little frustrated at the lack of media coverage of this tournament? At the moment it seems we are relying on score updates, blog posts, and PissyMatic updates on good old Ultitalk. What gives? Not to denigrate these fine sources of information, but this is roughly the same coverage that we get for Aussie Nationals (I even got scores sent to me via sms at the last nationals - TECH!).

IIRC, UPA Nationals always have these massive write ups on their website after each day, on all the games. If they can do it for their national champioships surely we could do something similar for this tournament, considering it is WORLDS and there are plenty of frisbee nerds around the world clicking refresh every 5 minutes to see what the scores are doing.

I did have a look at the daily newsletter, it ain't bad but it's not really scratching my itch.


PS. Go Aussies.
24  Regional / Australasia / Referees in Ultimate - Lessons from the NBA on: June 18, 2008, 12:36:18 AM
The old chestnut...I looked to see if there was another thread I could post this in, but couldn't find anything suitable.

I know in Australia we don't talk about referees/umpires in ultimate that much, at least not as much as they seem to in the US.

But I was looking at some stuff about the NBA Finals today on the internet and found this interesting little article about refs in pro basketball, and I couldn't help but think about how the concepts applied to Ultimate.

Full article is here:


Playground Rules: A Game N.B.A. Players Grasp

'Magic Johnson, the legendary former Los Angeles Laker, was talking about officiating, the theme of the finals, much to the chagrin of the N.B.A.

In the midst of the series, the accusations of collusion between referees and the league will not go away. N.B.A. referees and league officials are being scrutinized. The integrity of the game is being questioned.

Is officiating overrated? Do we really need referees?

“You need referees,” Johnson said. “Somebody has to have control of the situation and of the game.”

But suppose, just suppose, that an N.B.A. officiating crew could not make the game and the players effectively had to police themselves.

Could the game be played?

Johnson made the point that every player in these playoffs and in the N.B.A. grew up playing on playgrounds and in parks, playing pickup games. They played without referees and could certainly manage without them in a pinch, and the results would be surprising.

“The game may be a little longer, some of the calls may be disputed by the other guys, though the superstar calls wouldn’t be disputed,” Johnson said.

“And then there’s going to be more trash-talking: When I bust you, I got to let you know, ‘I got you.’ In that sense, it’d take us a little longer, but I’ll tell you what: The game is still as pure as it is when you have referees.”

Johnson represented the purity of the game, the unbridled passion for the game. In the N.B.A.’s battle against the negative, Tim Donaghy-driven reports, Johnson would be a great ally.

Referees are, in theory, the great equalizers. But even without officials, players early on develop a sense of justice; they know what’s right and what’s wrong.

“On the playground, you knew who the players are,” Johnson said, noting that when a call was made, it was respected because “you had that respect for skills: ‘This guy can shoot,’ or ‘This guy can dribble’ — I respect his talent.”

You also knew when you didn’t make the right call. “Every person on the playground knew when he got fouled, when he didn’t get fouled,” Johnson said. “If you want the reputation that you really want, you know you can’t be calling bogus fouls. Then they’d be talking about you in the worst way. And when you start making bad calls, they don’t pick you. Dudes don’t like the game to get slowed down by bad fouls.”

He added, “Everybody knows when a foul is a foul."

The debate over referees in Ultimate has been doen a few times over, but I think the perspective from another sport is an interesting one. Certainly the absence of officials in ultimate has helped to create a sort of self regulating system whereby players have to be civil towards each other in order for the game to function. Any fundamental change to that system such as the introduction of refs would also alter the dynamics of ultimate quite a lot, in my opinion, changing the nature of the sport somewhat.

Any thoughts? The article brings up some good points:

Would people who whinge about foul calls actually be any happier with referees?
Would the introduction of referees remove any 'sense of justice' that has developed in ultimate as a result of having none? Or is there no such thing as a 'sense of justice'?
Are people scared of making foul calls against the best players?
25  Regional / Australasia / Re: Jangles-Chris-Wood Smack Talk on: March 25, 2008, 10:30:16 PM
P.S. Chris, Of course everyone knows me, according to Frankie on the Mixed Nats Finals video, I am basically the most hated player in Australian Ultimate!  Classic Frankie, classic!

I haven't played for a few months, but at the time I did consider you the most hated. But it's hate with love...always remember that.
26  Regional / Australasia / Re: Jangles-Chris-Wood Smack Talk on: March 25, 2008, 10:20:02 PM
Pfft - that loss to you guys doesn't even register on my "give-a-shit-o-metre" but I'll be happy to get my Firestorm Troopers pumped up to roll you in pool play this year if you want us to restart that QLD owning WA thing we had going.
Haha, you guys didn't even have to beat us, you just had to lose by less than four! But you didn't, and it sent you into 7th/8th instead of 5th/6th... register now?

LOL. That's some quality smack.
27  Regional / Australasia / Re: Ultimate Party Themes on: March 06, 2008, 12:58:52 AM
I think halloween is a good theme - because you can make a costume with very little effort (just the way I like it). A couple of rolls of toilet paper = instant mummy. One roll of aluminum foil = instant tin man.

Too easy.

White party is kinda cool, but it's kind of out of place without a laser show and pumping uplifting trance music.

Personally, themes where you have to make an effort (eg. actually go out and spend time/money) can sometimes be annoying, but that's just me. I do agree though that putting in some effort can sometimes be rewarding...
28  Regional / Australasia / Re: Ultimate Party Themes on: March 06, 2008, 12:51:55 AM
I remember your arse cheeks getting pulverised
29  Regional / Australasia / Re: "The biggest decision we'll ever make" on: February 29, 2008, 01:05:11 AM
For those interested, in 2007...

41 people (23 guys and 18 girls) played both AUG and Nationals.
31 people played both Mixed Nats and AUG.

39 played all three.

216 played Nationals only
265 played either AUG or Mixed Nats only.

That is quite interesting...hmmm. I guess those 39 players are the real keen beans.

So from that I think you could safely take the AUG problem out of the equation, in that the timing of Nationals should not be affected by AUG.

Owen I think you make some good points.
I would question your premise no.2; the assumption that if you relieved all the top players in Australia from their playing duties over the summer months, then they would automatically use that time for grassroots ultimate promotion. I don't think it works that way, but I guess that's difficult to prove one way or the other.
Although having thought about it for the time it took me to write that last sentence, I guess if you consider just playing league etc. as a form of grassroots work, then that premise may be more accurate.

30  Regional / Australasia / Re: "The biggest decision we'll ever make" on: February 28, 2008, 12:51:15 AM
maybe dragon boating's more fun than ultimate


But seriously...
I think looking at some data (as you suggested Simon) would be a very useful starting point to try and answer this question.

A question: there seems to be some implication here that the growth of ultimate has stalled: is this correct? One of the key measures of the AFDA's success is growth in membership - is there any indication that growth is stagnant (this question may have been answered already here but I haven't seen anything beyond the stuff about member retention)

If it hasn't, then I question the need to do anything.

If it has, then you could probably argue that the stalling in growth in numbers has resulted from the increased focus on elite ultimate over the last few years (NUFL). I can't be bothered going into all the details of why that might have happened (to be honest I don't even know), it would probably take a while to figure it all out. But if you are looking for a cause and effect type scenario, the introduction of NUFL is the biggest change that has occured over the least few years - and is the most likely factor imo of why there might have been a stagnation in membership growth.
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