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1  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: August 07, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
ouch... Dingos go down to GB also.
2  Regional / Australasia / Re: WWOS on: May 24, 2008, 11:27:47 PM
Wasn't bad. Best line was:

Interviewer (after Piers huck): that's pretty impressive

Piers: yeah
3  Regional / Australasia / WWOS on: May 19, 2008, 03:54:38 AM
Anyone know if the nats segment ever aired on WWOS? They mentioned it during the show 2 weeks ago and said it would be on the following week, but missed it if it did.
4  Regional / Australasia / Re: Looking for clubs in Perth on: April 17, 2008, 10:51:07 PM
Ryan, just take a look at www.wafda.com or post here again if you need anything and we'll hook you up. We have a league with around 12 teams plus some Uni teams and mens (Sublime) and womens nationals teams. There are also a few other uni players here from the states at the moment.
5  Regional / Australasia / Re: Nationals 2008 on: April 17, 2008, 10:37:13 PM
Thanks Tom, you explain it much better than I did!
6  Regional / Australasia / Re: Nationals 2008 on: April 11, 2008, 11:30:53 PM
Newk you make some very good points about what this does to schedule. Owen, yes the seeding is for the most part objective now and as I said I don't have a problem with it - if we have an unbiased draw to go along with it. Also, you can of course accomplish the goals you state with a standard draw format, and in fact there will be a better probablility the best teams will get to where they should be.
7  Regional / Australasia / Re: Nationals 2008 on: April 10, 2008, 08:43:43 PM
Just to clarify my comments, based on my experience, cusp draws are great to delineate and sort close teams when you have pretty accurate seeding (or at least as accurate as you can have in these sorts of events, not everyone will agree). It does have the downside of making it a tougher draw for these close teams and also significantly advantages the top 4 seeds.

I am happy to accept the seeding regime afda has selected, but because we know there are inherent inaccuracies, we should not be using cusp pools. You are just compounding inaccurate seeding with a draw structure that is biased. You do one or the other, not both.
8  Regional / Australasia / Re: Nationals 2008 on: April 10, 2008, 04:24:39 AM
I personally can't believe these draws. I understand the concept of having cusp pools - but only if you are first putting in significant effort to accurately seed the tournament. In that case there is understandable debate and some margin of error in the 6-12 range and the cusp pools make sence. But when seeding is basically based on last years Nationals results, with teams then slotted into those seeds based on this years Regionals, the seeding loses alot of accuracy and you thus introduce a much higher probablility of 3 top 8 teams being in the same cusp pool.

If seeding is done the way it currently is, cusp pools are hurting not helping to ensure a fair draw. In my opinion, the standard 16 team draw should be used.
9  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: November 20, 2007, 10:10:24 PM
Did anyone one else recognise the significance of the fact that a current selector thinks only one of the old bastards will make the team? maybe some new blood for the dingoes is on the cards.........

I think what he said was that only 1 had a first preference for mens. I suspect some are designating mixed as first priority. I'm guessing we won't see JD or Pottsy on the masters team.
10  Regional / Australasia / Re: Road to Kaohsiung City - Asia/Oceania Championships on: August 27, 2007, 10:31:42 PM
We may be able to muster some support within Sublime, we have a history of going to some of the Asian tourneys (Singapore, Bali, Vietnam) and they are lot of fun. Taiwan would be cool and I think they have good facilities. Personally I'd like to see more involvement between asian and aussie ultimate, and being a top tier country, this is certainly a big test of our willingness to support ultimate in this part of the world.

Lets do it.

11  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: May 18, 2007, 04:55:54 AM

I know a lot of people are championing the idea that Nationals ought to be the highest level of competition in Australia but the fact of the matter is that until the general standard of play rises to at least how the top ten teams played, then its never going to be. Chop out the newbs or get more competitive teams (effectively the same thing) It will come in time but it won't happen for a few years more.

Hey Brett, who is Billy Alexander? I'd also suggest that you have missed out Tim Booth (not a certainty for sure) and Wavey Dave O'Brien. I suspect it will be easier to select the men's open team then the boys who are going to make it on to the mixed team! Thats a whole other kettle of fish and one that will be much harder. But I agree on your open list more or less.

We've had how many years of Nationals tradition? And after 2 NUFL's it's all changed? Perhaps I just don't get it, admitantly I have not played NUFL. But in my view they are completely different beasts and the existance of NUFL shouldn't necessarily relegate the National Championships to a second rate development event. This years NUFL is being cobbled together with fairly short notice, many good players will be there and I am sure the overall quality will be high, but is it really a more important, more meaningfull win than Nationals? Or is it really the true "development" event for high level players? I suppose it depends on who you ask. I'd be curious what Chilly thinks.

Billy is the bald bad ass that played for Sublime. He's from Canadia but we hope he will stay in Perth. Look out when we get him and JD on the field together!

12  Regional / Australasia / Re: WUGC 2008 on: May 18, 2007, 01:13:02 AM

In fact, the only good reason I can come up with for going A/B is that you presumably increase your chance of winning Nationals. 

This is a damn good reason.

Who's to say that a Fakulti A team would have done better than 2nd this year or last? 

Well we'll never know Tom. While I understand there are pro's and con's, I personally would have loved the opprtunity to see this match in the Nationals finals.

Well I would argue that nationals is *not * the highest level of competition and has not been intended to be so.

Personally, I am really tired of hearing this.
13  Regional / Australasia / Re: NUFL on: May 07, 2007, 11:57:56 PM
Don't know if we would get a better team to NUFL due to cost but our best player JD was on the sideline at Nats and 6 of 12 men from the Sublime team from WUCC didn't go to Melb.
14  Regional / Australasia / Re: NUFL on: May 07, 2007, 02:00:19 AM
Thanks Tom,
Yeah, I realize there is talk on the HP group but that just raises the question about where we should be discussing all these issues. I guess it will be the HP list so will try and get myself added to that group.
Anyhow, that aside, you answer is about what I expected.

As for not using Nats for NUFL qualification or "there has not been a strong show of support for any... blah blah blah", I find this a bit strange. What's the point of nationals if we don't rank teams using it? As for teams who would have structured their lists differently, yes good point, but I have no understanding of going to Nats with a team other than one structured to get the highest placing possible. You guys chose a different path and that was your option.

Why would QLD/Firestorm get a team and not WA?
15  Regional / Australasia / Re: NUFL on: May 07, 2007, 12:05:17 AM
Jangles mentions in the Nats thread that QLD will be stronger at NUFL.

I'm sure many teams can say that, we only had 6 of 12 men from Sublime WUCC team make the trip to Melb and JD was out injured.
My question is, what is the process for qualifying for NUFL? It must be written somewhere?
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