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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2007, 12:45:54 AM »

Well check out the AFDA front page.

The policy is up, albeit without answering all of our questions.

Seems like the thing to do now is to register and get your team mates to register for NUFL.

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2007, 02:41:59 AM »

Howdy all

interesting thoughts, however i've copied a post from Pottsy form NUFL-admin yahoogroup explaining the teory behind NUFL.

it may answer some of your questions, or at least she light on a few areas some of you may not be aware of.

in short NUFL is australias way of maintaining an elite level of competition so that we remain competitive on a world stage. Nationals does not provide this opportunity. in the future (a few years from now) nufl may not be necessary as the sport grows and nationals becomes the true "elite" event we all wish it could be. for now, nufl is necessary (and it's founders should be congratulated for its inception) for elite development/maintenance.

read NUFL -admin for more (there are some great minds at work for our sport).

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Pottsy states:
As part of planning for HP for the next year, I want to revisit and
hopefully gain some agreement on the aims of NUFL.

From some conversations I've had, it appears that
some people aren't clear on why we have NUFL, so I think it's useful for
us to have a clear statement of purpose for NUFL that helps drive our
planning and guides any decision to ditch or retain.

NUFL was born post-2004 worlds, primarily as a realisation that Australia
could only become/remain competitive on the world stage if it could create
a domestic competition which was comparable with the best domestic
competition in the world, which at the moment is the UPA series.

It is also apparent to me that a successful domestic competition can be
achieved
with a modest playing population and despite geographical challenges.

The north west coast of North America is essentially a microcosm of domestic
competition, only competing against teams from the rest of the country
twice a year (Emerald City Classic and Nationals). They have roughly 6
strong teams in both Men's and Women's - Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, 3
from (San Francisco + Santa Cruz + Santa Barbara).

Those cities are a long way apart and expensive to get all those teams
together. It's further between Seattle and San Francisco than Brisbane
and Melbourne and domestic flights in the US are more expensive than
here. It's much easier for teams to travel around on the East Coast and
the population densities are much higher.

However, that "North-West region" has produced most of the semifinalists
and champions of UPA in every division for the past 8 years.

The point of that ramble is that I think it is achievable for us to have
a world-class competition with the resources we have at hand.

To cut to the chase, this is my suggested vision for NUFL:

Vision: NUFL is a world-leading domestic competition, built utilising
our resources as efficiently as possible.

Reasons for doing this:
1. To provide opportunities for our elite players to compete in the most
challenging competition possible without overseas travel.
2. To build a platform as high as possible for our national teams and
club teams to launch their assault on international competition.
3. To provide a competition for our developing players to aspire to.
4. To provide promotional and sponsorship opportunities for our sport and
our players (this is minor compared with the first 3).

Principles:
1. All elite players are treated reasonably equally, regardless of where
they reside (this doesn't necessarily extend to those on the fringe of
NUFL, there will always be easier paths into NUFL and development within
NUFL by being in a major
ultimate centre, but once you are solidly within NUFL-standard you
should be treated equally). NUFL and our national teams will only be
stronger by including the best players from around the country.

I'd also like to point out other advantages the North-West of North
America have over us:
1. Elite players relocate to the NW to play with those super-teams.
2. They train really f&^#ing hard - 2 x 3hrs per week plus both weekend
days when they don't have tournaments (most teams have a break for about
a month in July/August) - they don't play city league in-season!! They just
train and play tournaments.
3. They have a strong youth development program through schools and
college ultimate.

So, I would suggest the following strategies:
1. Embrace overseas players into our competition based purely on merit
(I believe we do this well at the moment)
2. Encourage teams to be able to train together - this suggests
equipping each team with a "core" of players who live close together
enough to train regularly.
3. Promote NUFL with our youth, invite local youth players to train with
NUFL squad, or send NUFL players out to coach local schools, but I think
we should pick players based purely on merit and immediate potential,
not discriminate against older players based on age (yes I'm an older
player).
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as for the expense
this is an area i can talk about with some expertise (as can Lenny/JD/Tas players etc)

living in townsville and playing for Buggers costs a lot, i am willing to bear this cost (as well as the risk of not makiing the team due to distance related training/team development issues). flying to bris for training weekends costs up to $400 each time.
A. the cost sharing has made the playing of NUFL a reachable goal, the amount refunded thru cost sharing has really helped ease the financial burden.
B. Pauls point about "who'd pick up free agents" is valid, yet as pottsy states "all players are treated reasonably equally" based on merit.

given these two points,
if WA players and others in far flung outposts want to play, register as free agents and see what happens. Barefoot/QLD/'Once-Was-Deathstar' may very well pick you up.
NUFL is there for the development of all players, not just clubs.

thanks Brett for reminding us to move forwards. two cents are out of circulation for good reason   Wink

Train hard, play hard, play fair, get dirty.

cheers
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2007, 06:40:55 PM »

Time to get your teams together and start training!
The date for NUFL 1 has been confirmed.

21-22 July - NTC
18-19 August - NUFL 1

. . . both at Mac Uni in Sydney.
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2007, 08:14:31 PM »

So no NUFL 2?
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2007, 08:24:07 PM »

So no NUFL 2?

Well, I'm assuming it'll happen, but the details aren't confirmed yet.
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2007, 08:25:21 PM »

Posted by Piers on the AFDA website . . .

"The dates and location for NUFL 2 are still tentative, but we hope to finalise this shortly. The tentative arrangements are;

15-16 September - Melbourne

More information about these events will be posted to this website by the end of next week (3 June 2007)."

http://afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=438
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2007, 10:22:29 PM »

Bugger... I was really hoping those wouldn't be the dates for NUFL 2.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2007, 06:53:15 AM »

So six teams signed up.  Barefoot, Chilli, Fakulti, Firestorm, Heads of State and Sublime. Sensational.

What about the juicy Free Agent pick ups who will be available now? None of the many strong players from Adelaide, Canberra, Newcastle, the Gong are signed up to a team yet. I know there are a couple of guns who i would love to add to the Firestorm list if I had the chance.

It will be interesting how all these new and established frisbee champions are distributed.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2007, 08:54:32 AM »

Yeah, I think it will be interesting to know which team will have the first 'draft' pick and which Newcastle player (who clearly have at least the highest three demanded free agents) will get woofed up first.

I'm quite curious as to where I will end up. I'm quite excited by the prospect of playing with a non-canberra team, should be a good and different experience.

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 08:32:17 AM »

Will be interesting to see if costs go up to accommodate for the WA's.

I'm glad there's 6 teams, and from 4 states too. It will help improve players from all over Australia and hopefully this will have a flow-on effect to all the rest of the players in each state.
I'm looking forward to playing with some people I've never played with too.

Can't wait to see who we pick up.

Without the freeagents, what order do you think the teams will be from strongest to weakest.

I'm thinking something like..

Fakulti
Barefoot
Chilly
Firestorm
Heads Of State
Sublime
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2007, 10:31:43 AM »

Considering that Chilly are missing pivotal players from their roster (at the moment, The Gak and Shane V) and with Barefoot seemingly down on nummbers, (I only see the rego page, is reality different?) I think both will have strong cases to be moved *down* in the order.

Fakulti is clearly the strongest team and are probably the team least likely to want free agents. Then, I'd go Firestorm, if their numbers hold out, as they are getting reinforced with a *lot* of old hands for NUFL. Then I guess Barefoot, because I have no where else to put them. Sublime and a Gak/Shaneless Chilly have a very similar composition of players (if very different styles) but I'd have to put Chilly next on the provision that they adapt their play and follow that with Sublime. Heads of State come last, simply because they will benefit the most from getting an extra old hand or two and are the great dark horse of the comp. They are certainly untested at this level and may be a bag of surpises at NUFL but we will have to wait till the first day of NUFL to see what happens.

So in summary my top to bottom is:

Fak
Firestorm
Barefoot
Chilly
Sublime
Heads of State
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2007, 09:11:01 PM »

hehe go firestorm. shame i have missed the last 2 training sessions...SO SLACK(bad Jangles)

I must say training with pottsy is fun but who gives out sit ups/fire as a reward?? seriously i think he has a screw loose.

haha love ya pottsy
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2007, 11:06:29 PM »

Push-ups, sit-ups and any form of normal 'punishment' is the perfect reward for any ultimate player. At Barefoot trainings, the punishment for anything is having to watch the rest of the team do a set  Cheesy

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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2007, 11:26:48 PM »

hehe go firestorm. shame i have missed the last 2 training sessions...SO SLACK(bad Jangles)

I must say training with pottsy is fun but who gives out sit ups/fire as a reward?? seriously i think he has a screw loose.
LOL yeah where have you been you bludger - it was pissing down rain at the last session it was glorious! And I'm loving the rewards - there isn't nearly enough rewards!


Push-ups, sit-ups and any form of normal 'punishment' is the perfect reward for any ultimate player. At Barefoot trainings, the punishment for anything is having to watch the rest of the team do a set  Cheesy
You guys are so cruel - you should at least let them get their rewards, but they just have wait to do them at the end of training or something and the rest of the team join in with them, but not letting them get them at some point is just too cruel!

Now considering all the NUFL details are out of the way, I shall initiate the smack talk! NUFL for all the teams is really going to be a competition for 2nd because Firestorm is taking 1st! Rest assured there will be a super shit hot Firestorm team coming to a NUFL near you! Seriously though I'm loving the look of the Firestorm team, definitely are going to be BIG contenders.

Oh and just to spice things up a bit of HoS smack talk - HoS are a deadset certainty for last! The fact you guys haven't cut Isherwood and Moroney yet doesn't help, then there is the issue of Piers jumping from your burning ship to the team that started the fire - you know the one - Firestorm baby!
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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2007, 12:03:46 AM »

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LOL yeah where have you been you bludger - it was pissing down rain at the last session it was glorious! And I'm loving the rewards - there isn't nearly enough rewards!

to be honest my body needed a quick respite to recover, plus uni work was piling up. Dont worry ill be down there next week.

and totally agree with you about HOS cant see them winning a game.
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