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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2007, 12:03:15 PM »

chris the way we can handle the training camps is, the really awesome players may dominate us.  But as long as we get one good grab or one sweet break throw on them, then when they make the squad we can simply say "are you serious i skyed the shit out of him he isn't even that good"  haha.  victory is all ours my friend
You're implying that we can get "one" sweet grab or D over some of these guys. There in lies a problem. Nah, see we gotta be smart about this.

What we need to do is mark up on each other, say I mark up on you while you are on O and we let the play progress a bit down the field and then while we are in the stack I let you peal long for an easy score (maybe off a Matzuka huck) and you can parade around and I'll stand next to the man that Gak is marking then I will slyly yell so the sideline can here "oi Gak mate! I know you made the team in 04 and 05 all, but you gotta keep up with ya man mate! Wood has been scoring on you all day!" Then you can do the same for me, and then if we get some third parties to stand near some of the selectors and just have a loud conversation between themselves saying shit like "Wow man you know someone that has really impressed me at this training camp that Isherwood guy from Ballarat he dishing out some lesson to some of Australia best, they can't even keep within 20 metres of him."

It will be gold mate - pure gold!


A lot of guys like Dan Rule aren't going to play if they don't make open.  I have heard that from multiple people such as Abra.  Plus, the guys who barely miss out of Dingos and want to play mixed seem like they should be sweet.  And as for people purely trying out for mixed, there seem to be only a small number and they are either highly likelies or very unlikelies from what I saw.  People like Adam mortimer and Reuban Berg seem like highly likelies.  Anyways, I honestly don't know much.  I started playing when I got here and that was 3.5 years ago, so yeah.  Good Luck everyone and sign up for Worlds, if you are posting here, you are passionate enough to be there!
It's a shame that guys won't represent Australia in Mixed if they don't make open... Dan and Abra are the sort of guys that could make a massive impact in the Mixed level, though I'm sure both will have a fair crack at making the Open team anyway. Assuming you still in Australia (I really hope you are) would you play Mixed if you didn't make the Dingoes?

Do you think people that only put down Mixed will get preference over those that are trying for both?


i think pulling a jersey on for dingos or the mundies is unreal, and i would never turn down a green and gold jersey, no matter what category.
The women's have green and gold jersey's team are looking for players. All you'd need is the sex change because you already have a pussy attitude!

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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2007, 07:17:00 PM »

Well I am certainly trying out and I am one of those who have only selected the mixed team instead of both mixed/open.

This isn't because I see myself as a mixed specialist. And its not because of how I see myself in terms of ability. I do realistically think that if I continue to improve my game and focus and train well, then I would in the future be able to play for any Australian team for which I was eligible. However, I do recognise how other people see me and how that will impact on my chances for selection.

At the moment, there are dozens of players that have a head-start on me. They have played for better or more competitive teams and they have naturally had more time in the limelight and under intense game pressure, whether those teams have been the Dingos, Mundies, Fak, Chilly or etc. Even if I dominate at NUFL, mixed nats and the training camps, it is unlikely that I will be able to close that ground enough to get on to the Open team. But I think that the distance isn't too big to make it on to the mixed team. Of course, it will require me to perform well and play to my ability at these events and even then there will undoubtably be lots of other people in the mix. Also, for the time being, I'd prefer the mixed team over the open team because I suspect I would get a greater variety of roles and tasks on the mixed team over the open team. With mixed, you have less room for specialising into certain roles then a single sex team, so I think it would be better for me then playing my typical unflashy defensive runner like on deathstar, where I would run a fuck load to shut down my player and then on the rare occassion we got the disc, make boring cuts, catch the disc and have no one cut for me...dump, resume.

And I really hope that those people that don't want to play mixed, don't end up playing mixed. I think its fine to shoot for the open team and get on the mixed team, thats what I might be doing in future years but it sucks having bitter players on the team.

But we will see. I am looking forward to NUFL. I hope I get to play with a non-canberra team. It would be cool to play with all these people that I have lined up against in the past few years.

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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2007, 08:36:07 PM »

Brett - you better put your name down for the Dingoes otherwise i'm going to slap you silly!!!!!

it's ok, i understand there might be a few things to consider before putting ones name down.

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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2007, 10:41:27 PM »

So Matt Dowle joins the ranks of us lowly ultitalkers...NICE!!!  It is good to see more and more people joining the group!

It seems people are starting to encourage the short, crazy-haired, wiley, obnoxious Hawaiian, no good can come from this!

I see myself putting my name down for the team, but then I look at the names and feel out of my league a fair bit.  But heck, that has never ever stopped me before  Smiley.  I guess a big thing is the resentment I feel I might get if I did actually make it and was not even Australian, but has happened in the past with Seppo on mixed and didn't seem to be a problem i guess, who knows...I surely don't
Brett <---stupid

Wood, I have faith in you for Mixed with Tommy boy and Reubs and the rest of the group.  Don't sell yourself short Mate, if you think I am so freaking good, you must be amazing cause I recall looking up on the last game of nationals expecting to see the sun and disc, and instead seeing a menacing figure, snagging the disc above me before I even got the chance to jump! Yay wood!  And I am sure that was one of many skies you had over people that tournament, so have a little confidence, I believe you in (says in inspirational voice) hehehe!

Anyways, I see no one has posted on the World Ultimate Beach Championships and also see that a lot of you haven't even signed up with interest, what is with that?  I expected to see Wood and Tom and Reubs and a bunch of you studs, but obviously you are too cool for Beach!  You all want a chance to represent Australia, WUBC 2007 in Brazil is a meaningful tournament and I would love to see anyone of you on the team in Brazil, so seriously consider Beach Worlds because there will be real competition from the top teams of the world.  Well, I am going to lunch so PEACE!
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2007, 04:05:48 AM »

hey brett,
i agree with matty on that one - sign up!

you'd take billy over JD? hmm..
to make the argument more interesting, do you wanna assign approx. O/D, handler/receiver roles to your team? for balance. just for fun...

oh, btw drule's name is down for mixed selection. make of that what you will.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2007, 08:03:23 AM »

Hey Shoggy, not sure who you are but will try and clarify my squad. 

I did have one wildcard which could definitely go to JD, he is a very solid player and definitely worthy of Dingos, just thought I heard he prefers to play Mixed.  Pottsy and I hung out this weekend and he criticized my team a little, saying it was good but missing people to an extent.  He thought Chris Burwell, Piers, and JD could be on it, let alone some of hte Vets such as Tubby, Gav, and Timmy Booth.  As I said, I haven't been here that long nor playing very long but based it upon knowledge of players and who impressed me at Nationals.  I did leave 2 spots for unknown Sydney players and 3 for Melbourne, and a wildcard. 
The list below of who will play what position will deal with all people that are on my team and others that are in the competition to make it, so more than the 24.

Defense:
Brett Matzuka - Handler (this is just for Wood and Reuben, everyone else can laugh)
Abra Garfield - Handler
Chris Warrus - Handler
Dan Rule - Handler
John Liddacoat - Cutter
Jonathon Potts - Cutter
Tim Lavis - Cutter
Ken Shepard - Cutter
Tubby - Cutter
Gavin Moore- Cutter
Joel Pillar - Cutter
Lee Baker - Cutter
Gus Keenan - Cutter
Tao Browne - Cutter
jimmy tod-Hill - Cutter


Offense:
Billy Alexander - Handler
Owen Shepard - Handler
John McNaughton - Handler ( I know you would rather play Primary Wing, but oh well)
John Damiani - Handler
Chris Burwell - Handler
Pete Gardner - Cutter/Handler
Matt Dowle - Cutter
Ant Dowle - Cutter
Mike Nield - Cutter
Tom Rogacki - Cutter
Jonathon Holmes - Cutter
Piers Truter - Cutter

Looking over it, I feel a lot of places can be changed such as Johnny Mac from Handler to Cutter, Mike Nield from Offense to Defense, but that all depends on how people mesh and what people prefer.  I haven't played with most of htese people, so not sure what position they are best at or prefer.  I have only played decently with johnny mac, Pottsy and Piers.  So not sure what people prefer, but there you go for a list.  I tried to stack my offense with solid players who play really smart, conventional ultimate and stack it with height.  I would want my offense to be a machine that would score every time they have the disc.  As for D, I put leftovers and people who are riskier players.  I put the hardcore, aggro, Ferocious beast players, hungry for every chance to get the disc.  With that, I also put people who I don't know very well that I thought would make the team.  People like Abra and Chris have been defenders before and I believe they prefer Defense.  I would have to say I am fairly happy with my lines, but would have to really see people are camps and talk to more people and the players themselves to really get the lines concrete, but you guys can all tell me what you think and what you would change.  I am sure I have forgotten people, I added Piers, JD, Chris Burwell, Tao, Jimmy Tod-Hill, and to be pompous and humor you all, Myself.  This adds the total team to 27 which means 3 would be cut.  I would say that I would cut Tao and Piers and then would be hard to decide, probably myself as I never really planned to put myself on.  Though in reality, don't know how serious some people are, haven't heard if Chris Burwell is actually trying out and have heard that Chris Warris isn't completely serious with open and might prefer Masters or something, and not sure Jmac can afford it.  But there you go, there is my specific team.  Tell me what you think!!!





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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2007, 09:08:25 AM »

Brett - you better put your name down for the Dingoes otherwise i'm going to slap you silly!!!!!
Brett don't pay any attention to these sorts of comments...

...because to be completely honest if you don't put your name down and hang around for the next 18 months being "slapped silly" by Matt will be the least of your worries after I get a hold of you, because I'll be slapping you with a closed fist and it will be to a point a little further than "silly".

...but I still wub you!

 Kiss

I guess a big thing is the resentment I feel I might get if I did actually make it and was not even Australian.
I would have thought you would have been used to everyone not liking you.

At least if you made the Dingoes you could say to yourself that they only don't like you because you made the Dingoes and ignore the reality of they don't like you because they don't like you.... kidding... we all wub you...  Kiss, plus if you have been in playing Ultimate in Australia for 4 years come Worlds that's like double the length of the average Australian Ultimate career - so you have done your time in the Australian Ultimate world, so when it comes to Ultimate - your Australian, but when it comes to anything else - I'm pretty sure no country would take ownership of you anyway.

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Wood, I have faith in you for Mixed with Tommy boy and Reubs and the rest of the group.  Don't sell yourself short Mate, if you think I am so freaking good, you must be amazing cause I recall looking up on the last game of nationals expecting to see the sun and disc, and instead seeing a menacing figure, snagging the disc above me before I even got the chance to jump! Yay wood!  And I am sure that was one of many skies you had over people that tournament, so have a little confidence, I believe you in (says in inspirational voice) hehehe!
Aww... come on Brett - don't encourage Wood and make him feel like he can make team the old fashioned way (by being good) - I need him for my plan to work.  Grin. Kidding, go for it Wood - I'll just have to find myself some new partners in crime... where's Jangles and Wetnose...?


Pottsy and I hung out this weekend and he criticized my team a little, saying it was good but missing people to an extent.  He thought Chris Burwell, Piers, and JD could be on it, let alone some of hte Vets such as Tubby, Gav, and Timmy Booth.
Ahahaha - of course Pottsy is rooting for the vets! He has a vested interest in old school vets being considered...  Roll Eyes. (I have a bad feeling I may have some extra sprints waiting for me on Tuesday because of these comments? )

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Looking over it, I feel a lot of places can be changed such as Johnny Mac from Handler to Cutter, Mike Nield from Offense to Defense, but that all depends on how people mesh and what people prefer.
I think the O line could probably use another cutter or two, especially if you feel a guy like Peirs won't make it. I'd be suggesting someone like Joel Pillar and I think he is more suited to O anyway and I also think that Pottsy despite the suggestion of being a receiver is probably more valuable to the team as an O handler - but then again this is the opinion of someone that can only claim to "know of" most of these players not necessarily have "seen" a lot of them play.

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Though in reality, don't know how serious some people are, haven't heard if Chris Burwell is actually trying out and have heard that Chris Warris isn't completely serious with open and might prefer Masters or something, and not sure Jmac can afford it.  But there you go, there is my specific team.  Tell me what you think!!!
I well I was running some laps with Chris "Buzz' Burwell last Tuesday and he is definitely trotting about and seeing if the old body will give him 18 more months.

So I get the impression that he is semi-serious, and will probably attempt to attend NUFL and will probably gauge it from there, but if I was a betting man I'd be betting that Buzz has got more fight to give and will be doing he best to be in fine form come WUGC.
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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2007, 11:39:07 AM »

Hey bretty i have only played one nationals so far, so my opinion on all the players you listed are quite vague considering i don't know some of them.

Your first change is obviously switching owen shephard to the d team - considering he is the best d player in australia, maybe you and him should swap.

Secondly i am not so comfortable with your choice of todd-hill in the dingoes, for me i think there are few players who can fill his position much better.  I would definatly put al from firestorm before him.

Also piers should really be playing aswell, no doubts.  He has game, experience, awesome vibe and if he made himself injury free would rip it up at worlds for sure.

otherwise i am quite happy that everyone on that team is awesome.
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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2007, 11:46:49 AM »

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The women's have green and gold jersey's team are looking for players. All you'd need is the sex change because you already have a pussy attitude!

So the smack starts does it chris, here we gooo!

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What we need to do is mark up on each other, say I mark up on you while you are on O and we let the play progress a bit down the field and then while we are in the stack I let you peal long for an easy score

hahaha, as if i need your help to score on your slow ass.  it's quite easy to score on you really considering you do have the disc reading ability of about an 8th grader, get to the library mate and get yourself a new library card.

 
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« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2007, 09:23:14 PM »

Your first change is obviously switching owen shephard to the d team - considering he is the best d player in australia, maybe you and him should swap.
I'd tend agree about the Owen being on the D team, but would suggest Pottsy move to O instead of Brett. But I mean at the end of the day I think almost all the players on the Dingoes should be capable of comfortably slipping into a D line. 


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Secondly i am not so comfortable with your choice of todd-hill in the dingoes, for me i think there are few players who can fill his position much better.  I would definatly put al from firestorm before him.
They are very different players, and whilst I can't really speak for Jimmy, because I haven't seen him play that much of him I'd like to think that Al's name will be thrown around even if it's not for Dingoes, but definitely for Mundis. Like I mean there are guys like Dan Rule, Burwell, and JD that for me don't exhibit skills or a level of game any greater than Al, and well I think he has just as much chance as the guys mentioned above of making the Dingoes, let alone the Mundis.



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hahaha, as if i need your help to score on your slow ass.  it's quite easy to score on you really considering you do have the disc reading ability of about an 8th grader, get to the library mate and get yourself a new library card.
Mate, your smack talk is like your Ultimate skills - lame! I clearly read at University standard - and not any standard - UQ Standard! Which we all know is shit hot!

"as if i need your help to score on your slow ass"

Those a very brave words coming from a man that wears KNEEPADS! I'd give you 10 metres head start and would be comfortable in that fact that your team would still look you off!
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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2007, 10:09:33 PM »

It's all well and good picking the best team in theory - but who is actually planning on going to Canada?

I understand that Gak isn't planning on playing

And neither is Johnny Mac

And as far as I know Dan Rule won't play mixed - but he's not posting on here to confirm/deny that so who knows  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2007, 10:25:21 PM »

I'm surprised at how adamant he is being about that. You'd think that representing your country would be a huge honour, no matter what team* you're on.


*For the purposes of this conversation, Juniors don't count.
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2007, 11:22:50 PM »

In terms of picking the team, I agree that it is just theory, but it is also somewhat in practice too as I put 27 on my last list with the idea of potential people dropping.  I heard this past weekend that Gak wasn't going to play so there is one spot that can be changed, say JD takes his spot.  Also, in terms of jimmy tod-hill, I would tend to agree that I don't believe he is quite there to be on the team, but others seem to really think he is and so I will give him a chance.  I think he is an awesome guy and a great player, got some real aggression, heart, athleticism, and determination, but just doesn't seem to have the throws.  His backhand seems good and fine, but his forehand is really troubling to me, how come no one on Thong or Barefoot has confronted him and told him he looks like a robotic arm from a car manufactoring plant when he throws a flick and that it needs to be better?  I love you jimmy, and if you do fix your flick, than I would definitely put you on my team, but that is my crux on the issue.

As for Dan, I can understand his view, but at the same time, would have to lean towards agreeing with Big T that representing your country is a real honour, and discounting Juniors seems fair enough.  Anywho, I am done here, farewell. 
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2007, 12:16:05 AM »

Jimmy has had major wrist surgeries and issues. bone necrosis (ie a zombie wrist), plus more. probably explains at least part of his action...

here is the 2004 Dingoes team:
Jonathan Potts (c)    OR      NSW
Sacha Vidler       OR      NSW
Matthew Dowle       OR      NSW
Pete Gardner       OR      NSW
Angus Keenan       OR      NSW
Piers Truter       OR      NSW
Tom Rogacki       OR      Vic
John Greenfield    OH      NSW
Ken Shepherd       OH      NSW
Steve Campbell       OH      Vic
David O'Brien       OH      NSW
Anthony Dowle       DR      NSW
Anthony "Sol" Solomon    DR      Qld
Mike Neild       DR      Qld
Jonathan Holmes    DR      NSW
Roger Bralow       DR      Vic
Tim Booth        DH      NSW
Owen Shepherd       DH      NSW
Charles Blumer       DH      NSW
Chris Warris (vc)    DH      WA
Lachlan Yates       DH      NSW

OR = offense receiver 
etc

check out all the history at http://www.afda.com/rep_teams.php ...
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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2007, 12:20:52 AM »

It seems we are all forgetting about the OS based players, like Sol, Roger Bralow and Lachlan Yates for Candada

I'm sure they could make the team if they were interested
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