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« on: July 15, 2011, 01:06:19 AM »

hey everyone,
so ive played ultimate for two years and have always had a little trouble getting open in a ho stack. this summer, however, i have found it increasingly harder to be effective. my playing type revolves around speed and cuts. ive never had the best hands, so i really need to step it up in the ho. im usually ok as a middle cutter, but as soon as i have to play outside in the ho i feel lost. its difficult for me to decide when to make a deep cut, when to come in, and when to just jog around while the disc is on the other sideline. some people say always run full-out all the time, and others say i just have to wait for my chance to make a move. right now, im just waiting for the swing and trying to not cut through lanes and make it harder for the middle cutters to get open. tips and comments would be appreciated

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 02:31:38 PM »

Hey Aero,

Welcome to UT! Smiley

There has been a lot of talk recently on UT about the horizontal stack.  It seems the concept is alluding a few people.  It can be a somewhat difficult transition to move from a vertical orientation to a horizontal one.  What I've found is that in a horizontal formation, communication is key (more visible than verbal).  You have to see and somewhat know where your fellow cutters are going to run.  For example, if you are on the inside of the ho stack, you need to know where your fellow teammate who is also on the inside is going to cut.  If he/she is going to fake deep and cut in, then you need to fake in and cut deep for a potential continuation.  Another point to this fact is where the defenders are lined up against you.  If you're defender is playing deep (behind) against you, then it's obvious your cut should be made towards the disc.  And vice versa if he/she is playing shallow (in front) of you.

As for viable cuts, I've found that it's best to make a strong fake, then a strong cut.  If that doesn't work, a good hard plant and then a cut in the opposite direction should usually get you open.  If not, then you are more than likely spent and need some time to recoup some energy.  That's when it helps to relax for a moment and get ready to do it again.

Another good point is how to make your cut.  If your defender is sticky and doing a good job at shutting you down, you need to initiate your cuts directly towards them.  And when you get close, make your decision and go.  The point is to get them on their heels and/or off balance.  This allows you to get those crucial 1-3 steps on them to get open.

Another thing I've found is that people quite literally "stick to their lane."  This is really not something that should be implemented, especially at a high level.  There needs to be some overlap to allow for some flow and some improvisation.  If you watch elite level teams run the horizontal stack, you will see they never stick to one lane.  They criss-cross in what seems to be organized chaos.  Very efficient.

Good luck Aero!

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 12:25:05 AM »

I 100% agree with Seppo's advice. The only thing i would add to that is that different teams, even different regions run the ho stack differently. Some teams work an in and out system where the 2 and 3 work together and mirror each other and the 1 and 4 do likewise. Other teams run it in a diamond pattern where most of the space they are looking for is on the break side. If you are playing with the same team alot, or even with just the same couple of people. Discuss it with them and determine what your handlers are looking for in your cuts.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 09:39:11 PM »

One other thing to add is watching your handlers for more than just the swing.  If your team has active handlers that are making their strike cuts, watch for those because if the disc is given to them, they're in a power positing to make the huck.  Often times the huck is given to the cutter on the same side as the strike cut, but a great alternative to this is the weak side cutter to make that cut instead.  If this were to happen, the cutter on the disc side should cut towards the middle of the field to stay out of the throwing lane. 

Also, as a O line cutter, realize that your defender is at your mercy.  If they're giving you the under cuts easier that the out cuts, keep taking advantage of that because their team will get frustrated with the 30+ yard completions.  Then, you'll know what to do...fake out, they'll overplay the under cut because they're expecting it, so fake in, then make your deep run.

And initiating the cut towards your defender if he's guarding either a home or away force is probably the best advice.

Just remember to SELL your fakes Smiley
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