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Author Topic: New O's and D's  (Read 8036 times)
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« on: April 04, 2011, 11:02:35 PM »

I live in Middle TN and around here we usually run a ho stack, and depending on the weather, a traditional zone D with a 3 man cup.

Recently went to a savage tournament and we modified our cup to run with two defenders on the disc and one person guarding the swing dump.  It worked supremely well for a few games but we ended up falling behind and sucking at it.

This brings me to my question.  Are there any fun new O's and D's being developed and/or already being utilized by top-tier teams?  I'd like to run something that's different than what's being currently used here.  Maybe something that fits our team a little better.

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 12:31:52 PM »

Hey bigalpha,

Have you tried a 4-2-1 zone D?  It works well, and allows for you to put on a crushing trap when the disc is swung to a sideline.  As for O, have you tried the Feldrenner (aka German offense)?  It is great fun and very efficient if run correctly and you have a star player who can fill the role of the Feldrenner.  The Dominator is also great.

See here for more: http://www.ultitalk.com/index.php?topic=508.msg4776#msg4776

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 05:49:01 PM »

Hey bigalpha,

Have you tried a 4-2-1 zone D?  It works well, and allows for you to put on a crushing trap when the disc is swung to a sideline.  As for O, have you tried the Feldrenner (aka German offense)?  It is great fun and very efficient if run correctly and you have a star player who can fill the role of the Feldrenner.  The Dominator is also great.

See here for more: http://www.ultitalk.com/index.php?topic=508.msg4776#msg4776

Cheers!

- Seppo #22

We have discussed running a 4-2-1 but I am not convinced that our team is strong enough to play the 2 mids.  In fact, I was thinking it might work better to run a 2-4-1 as one thing we got beat a lot at was the upfield swings to wings.

As far as German Offense - I do think that we have someone who can fill that spot.  It will be awful weird for us to run it, though, haha. 

Do you know of any O's and/or D's that are being run that aren't of the 'traditional' set up?
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 05:34:51 PM »

San Diego Streetgang runs a junk defense that I refer to as "the box". It's a containment defense that tries to keep everything in front of it, generally conceding lateral or yardage-losing throws between the handlers but clogging the hell out of everything else. It sort of looks like this:

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The 1st line are the markers, the folks defending the handlers. The outside markers force the disc middle, the inside marker forces straight up. The downfield defenders shade toward the middle and more or less surround the stack.

Strengths: If run well, forces tons of throws to score, even on calm days. On windy days against middling teams, this D can be deadly. Last weekend my team ran this in windy conditions and shut out a competent team, 'cuz they hadn't seen it before. By the 2nd half it was in their heads and the turns came quickly and unforced.

Takes very little energy to run, if done right. You are more likely to run out of breath running down field after the pull.

Good against hucking teams. The two deep defenders often sometimes teams from even trying to cut deep. The force-middle and flat marks make good hucks hard to come by.

Unusual. This particular D was pioneered by San Diego teams, and doesn't seem to have spread much beyond the West Coast.

Weaknesses: If the offense sends two players deep to draw away the deep defenders, vulnerable to throws over the top of the middle two defenders. Hammers and such. Those defenders need to be careful not to get sucked too far in.

Teams CAN huck against it if they can break the mark to the sideline to set up an unmarked huck. Or they may be able to fast-break up the sideline.

Teams that can consistently take 30 passes to score by just letting the handlers work may force the markers to poach less and instead sometimes try to deny the swing.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 10:07:19 PM »

The German O is awesome.  My summer league team ran it and dominated.  The 4 handlers should be able to work anything that's thrown at them.  The only real problem that i've found with the German O is the 2 deeps.  They often felt left out.  So, we've basically worked on switches during the play concerning them and "Hitler," as we've called the iso-man.  If the D is shutting down the iso, look for the handlers to make strike cuts for the power position huck.  If the D is shutting down the hucks, look for the under cuts, requiring Hitler to get out of the throwing lane.  Lastly, if the handlers are getting shut down, get new handlers Smiley 

Also, I'm biased because I'm a huck-happy handler  Grin
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