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« on: February 01, 2007, 08:49:45 PM »

Originally posted on aus.sport.frisbee, but I'll post it here as well...

This list ranks cities in Australian ultimate based on results at Nationals (+ regionals), Mixed Nats, World Clubs and AUG (+ regionals) over the last 2-3 years.

Overall rankings (as at 1/1/07)
1. Sydney (144.86)
2. Melbourne (108.38)
3. Brisbane (80.81)
4. Canberra (62.22)
5. Perth (46.88)
6. Adelaide (45.38)
7. Newcastle (40.90)
8. New Zealand (24.50)
9. Ballarat (16.69)
10. Wollongong (11.54)
11. Hobart (10.50)
12. Manly (8.00)
13. Singapore (2.00)
14. Townsville (1.81)
15. Bathurst (1.06)
16. Gold Coast (0.75)
17. Northern Territory (0.25)
18. Byron Bay (0.19)
19. Central Coast (0.13)
20. Coffs Harbour (0.13)
21. Wodonga (0.13)

Open
1. Sydney (69.56)
2. Melbourne (46.31)
3. Brisbane (26.75)
4. Canberra (13.50)
5. Newcastle (9.59)
6. Perth (7.81)
7. New Zealand (6.50)
8. Wollongong (6.04)
9. Hobart (4.63)
10. Adelaide (4.13)
11. Singapore (2.00)
12. Ballarat (1.06)
13. Northern Territory (0.25)
14. Byron Bay (0.19)

Women
1. Sydney (33.63)
2. Melbourne (20.69)
3. New Zealand (18.00)
4. Canberra (10.00)
5. Manly (8.00)
6. Brisbane (5.31)
7. Adelaide (2.56)
8. Newcastle (2.50)
9. Wollongong (2.00)
10. Perth (1.25)

Mixed
1. Brisbane (48.75)
2. Sydney (41.47)
3. Melbourne (41.38)
4. Canberra (38.72)
5. Adelaide (38.69)
6. Perth (37.81)
7. Newcastle (28.81)
8. Ballarat (15.69)
9. Hobart (5.88)
10. Wollongong (3.50)
11. Townsville (1.81)
12. Bathurst (1.06)
13. Gold Coast (0.75)
14. Central Coast (0.13)
15. Coffs Harbour (0.13)
16. Wodonga (0.13)

Per capita
1. Manly
2. Canberra
3. Ballarat
4. Newcastle
5. Hobart
6. Brisbane
7. Wollongong
8. Adelaide
9. Sydney
10. Perth
11. Byron Bay
12. Melbourne
13. Bathurst
14. Townsville
15. New Zealand
16. Coffs Harbour
17. Gold Coast
18. Wodonga
19. Northern Territory
20. Central Coast
21. Singapore


Next update will be after regionals.

*Note - This isn't an official list endorsed by AFDA or anything like that. It was something I did out of interest because I was bored a couple of weeks ago
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 10:07:18 PM »

What do the numbers mean? How have you scored this?
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2007, 01:28:45 AM »

Prepare to be confuddled, Piers...

I'm going to use a mythical tournament with the top 8 cities competing.

1) Take the final standings of the tournament and give teams the number of points inverse to their position.

1st - Sydney (8pts)
2nd - Melbourne (7pts)
3rd - Brisbane (6pts)
4th - Canberra (5pts)
5th - Perth (4pts)
6th - Adelaide (3pts)
7th - Newcastle (2pts)
8th - New Zealand (1pt)


2) The top 4 get bonus points, depending on how many teams are in the tournament. The winner gets 2 points for every four teams in the tournament. 2nd place gets 1 point for every four teams, and 3rd and 4th get half a point.

In this case, Sydney gets 4 extra points (8 teams in the tournament), Melbourne gets 2, and Brisbane and Canberra one each.

1st - Sydney (12pts)
2nd - Melbourne (9pts)
3rd - Brisbane (7pts)
4th - Canberra (6pts)
5th - Perth (4pts)
6th - Adelaide (3pts)
7th - Newcastle (2pts)
8th - New Zealand (1pt)


3) The points are weighted, depending on which tournament they are from.
Nationals - 100%
Mixed Nationals - 75%
AUG - 50%
Qualifying events (Regionals and regional Uni Games) - 25%

I did think about including some of the more regular tournaments (eg: Halibut) but then there would be a case of "why this tourney and not that one", so I've kept it to these four tournaments.


4) To keep the rankings current, points lose half their value each year (for the previous two years).
Current year - 100%
Previous year - 50%
Year before that - 25%

So for the current rankings, they are made up of 50% of points gained in 2006, and 25% from 2005. There are no points for 2007 yet.


Any questions?


A few notes...
- Manly are seperate from Sydney as there a few teams that have been to Nationals that are listed as specifically being Manly-based
- For some teams (Deathstar, Thong, Fear Discinsonia) the points have been divided up between cities
- I was going to have the points expire after each relevant tournament (eg 2004 Nationals points expire at 2007 Nationals), but instead they all just expire at the end of the year. The only change between 31/12/06 (25% of 2004, 50% of 2005, 100% of 2006) and 1/1/07 (25% of 2005, 50% of 2006) is that Hobart went above Manly.
- Per Capita is simply points divided by population.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2007, 06:13:34 AM »

Thank you for the explanation. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 07:50:49 PM »

Wow Simmo, that's some serious mathematics you got working there.   Shocked  Nice work!

When you say "Per Capita", are you referring to the number of players coming from that particular suburb/city?  It's nice to see Manly at the top of the list (my old stomping ground), but is that result actually correct?   Huh

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 06:54:19 AM »

Yeah it's points divided by population (x by 10,000 or so to make the numbers readable). For Manly's population, Wikipedia lists Manly Council's population as 38,868. However I wouldn't expect them to hold that spot for long - probably not beyond Nationals as Canberra isn't far behind (2.058 to 1,916). Ballarat is on 1.88, but there's no open or women's team from us this year.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 09:41:35 PM »

Yeah, nice list, and interesting stats.
Good to see that we (Tassie) can be in the top 5 of something Ulti related.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2007, 06:52:00 AM »

Update after Regionals results from around the country.

Overall
1. Sydney (156.78) (-)
2. Melbourne (116.12) (-)
3. Brisbane (84.06) (-)
4. Canberra (62.72) (-)
5. Perth (46.87) (-)
6. Adelaide (46.75) (-)
7. Newcastle (44.65) (-)
8. New Zealand (24.50) (-)
9. Ballarat (17.44) (-)
10. Wollongong (12.79) (-)
11. Hobart (11.62) (-)
12. Manly (9.87) (-)
13. Townsville (2.31) (+1)
14. Singapore (2.00) (-1)
15. West Sydney (1.25) (New)
16. Bathurst (1.06) (-1)
17. Gold Coast (0.75) (-1)
18. Byron Bay (0.69) (-)
19. Northern Territory (0.25) (-2)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-1)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-1)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-1)


Men
1. Sydney (78.06) (-)
2. Melbourne (50.19) (-)
3. Brisbane (29.25) (-)
4. Canberra (16.25) (-)
5. Newcastle (11.58) (-)
6. Perth (7.81) (-)
7. Wollongong (7.04) (+1)
8. New Zealand (6.50) (-1)
9. Adelaide (5.25) (+1)
10. Hobart (5.12) (-1)
11. Singapore (2.00) (-)
12. Ballarat (1.81) (-)
13. West Sydney (0.75) (New)
14. Byron Bay (0.69) (-)
15. Townsville (0.50) (New)
16. Northern Territory (0.25) (-3)


Women
1. Sydney (37.25) (-)
2. Melbourne (24.56) (-)
3. New Zealand (18.00) (-)
4. Canberra (10.75) (-)
5. Manly (9.12) (-)
6. Brisbane (6.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (4.25) (+1)
8. Adelaide (2.81) (-1)
9. Wollongong (2.25) (-)
10. Perth (1.25) (-)
11. West Sydney (0.50) (New)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (-)
3. Ballarat (-)
4. Byron Bay (+7)
5. Newcastle (-1)
6. Hobart (-1)
7. Brisbane (-1)
8. Wollongong (-1)
9. Adelaide (-1)
10. Sydney (-1)
11. Melbourne (+1)
12. Perth (-2)
13. Townsville (+1)
14. Bathurst (-1)
15. New Zealand
16. Coffs Harbour
17. Gold Coast
18. Wodonga
19. Northern Territory
20. Central Coast
21. Singapore


Notes
- THOR's points are split between Townsville and Byron Bay. Heads Of State are split between Ballarat and Melbourne.
- West Sydney are not in the Per Capita list because it is too difficult to get a population for that region, even at a guess.


Not much shifting, given that points aren't worth much at smaller tournaments, and also only get 25% value. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra aren't likely to shift at Nationals. However with the Southern region looking particularly strong this year, and being on home turf, Melbourne could close the gap on Sydney.

As expected, Byron Bay have leapfrogged most of the pack in the Per Capita list, and will almost certainly top the list after Nationals if THOR can finish better than second last.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2007, 03:45:35 AM »

Do Bathurst gain any points for the people who played for another team in regionals?
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2007, 01:43:31 AM »

No. It all goes by where the teams are based, not where the players are from.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 04:44:27 AM »

Updated after Nationals...

Overall
1. Sydney (220.28) (-)
2. Melbourne (181.12) (-)
3. Brisbane (104.06) (-)
4. Canberra (88.22) (-)
5. Newcastle (64.65) (+2)
6. Perth (61.37) (-1)
7. Adelaide (55.75) (-1)
8. Manly (27.37) (+4)
9. New Zealand (24.5) (-2)
10. Ballarat (22.44) (-1)
11. Wollongong (19.29) (-1)
12. Hobart (16.12) (-1)
13. Townsville (3.31) (-)
14. Singapore (2.00) (-)
15. Byron Bay (1.69) (+3)
16. West Sydney (1.25) (-1)
17. Bathurst (1.06) (-1)
18. Gold Coast (0.75) (-1)
19. Northern Territory (0.25) (-)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-)

...I'll post the Mens, Womens and Per Capita lists later tonight.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2007, 01:31:29 AM »

...or maybe even today.

Men
1. Sydney (109.06) (-)
2. Melbourne (82.19) (-)
3. Brisbane (38.25) (-)
4. Canberra (29.75) (-)
5. Newcastle (23.58) (-)
6. Perth (18.81) (-)
7. Wollongong (12.54) (-)
8. Adelaide (12.25) (+1)
9. Ballarat (6.81) (+3)
10. New Zealand (6.50) (-2)
11. Hobart (6.12) (-1)
12. Singapore (2.00) (-1)
13. Byron Bay (1.69) (+1)
14. Townsville (1.50) (+1)
15. West Sydney (0.75) (-2)
16. Northern Territory (0.25) (-)


Women
1. Sydney (69.75) (-)
2. Melbourne (57.56) (-)
3. Manly (22.62) (+2)
4. Canberra (19.75) (-)
5. New Zealand (18.00) (-2)
6. Brisbane (17.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (12.25) (-)
8. Adelaide (4.81) (-)
9. Perth (4.75) (+1)
10. Wollongong (3.25) (-1)
11. West Sydney (0.50) (-)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Byron Bay (+2)
3. Canberra (-1)
4. Ballarat (-1)
5. Newcastle (-)
6. Hobart (-)
7. Wollongong (+1)
8. Brisbane (-1)
9. Sydney (+1)
10. Melbourne (+1)
11. Adelaide (-2)
12. Perth (-)
13. Townsville (-)
14. Bathurst (-)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Coffs Harbour (-)
17. Gold Coast (-)
18. Wodonga (-)
19. NT (-)
20. Central Coast (-)
21. Singapore (-)


This year I am including NUFL events, with a weighting of 75%. The next update will be in July, after the regional uni events.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2007, 04:51:28 AM »

Thanks Jeremy for pointing out I forgot to put Hobart in the Women's list. Here's the new one.

Women
1. Sydney (69.75) (-)
2. Melbourne (57.56) (-)
3. Manly (22.62) (+2)
4. Canberra (19.75) (-)
5. New Zealand (18.00) (-2)
6. Brisbane (17.06) (-)
7. Newcastle (12.25) (-)
8. Adelaide (4.81) (-)
9. Perth (4.75) (+1)
10. Hobart (4.12) (New)
11. Wollongong (3.25) (-2)
12. West Sydney (0.50) (-1)
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 08:02:00 AM »

It's been a while...

Updated after Uni Games and Mixed Nationals...

Mixed
1. Sydney (157.72) (+1)
2. Melbourne (102.62) (+1)
3. Brisbane (98.75) (-2)
4. Canberra (76.97) (-)
5. Adelaide (62.44) (-)
6. Perth (46.32) (-)
7. Newcastle (43.81) (-)
8. Hobart (21.37) (+1)
9. Ballarat (19.69) (-1)
10. Wollongong (10.25) (-)
11. Hills (8.25) (New)
12. New Zealand (6.5) (New)
13. Gold Coast (2.25) (-)
14. Bathurst (2.06) (-2)
15. Townsville (1.81) (-4)
16. Manly (1.5) (New)
17. Central Coast (0.12) (-3)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-3)
19. Wodonga (0.12) (-3)


Per Capita
1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (+1)
3. Ballarat (+1)
4. Byron Bay (-2)
5. Hobart (+1)
6. Newcastle (-1)
7. Wollongong (-)
8. Brisbane (-)
9. Sydney (-)
10. Adelaide (+1)
11. Melbourne (-1)
12. Perth (-)
13. Bathurst (+1)
14. Townsville (-1)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Gold Coast (+1)
17. Coffs Harbour (-1)
18. Wodonga (-)
19. NT (-)
20. Central Coast (-)
21. Singapore (-)


Leaving the final standings for 2007 like this...

Overall
1. Sydney (336.53) (-)
2. Melbourne (242.37) (-)
3. Brisbane (154.06) (-)
4. Canberra (126.47) (-)
5. Newcastle (79.65) (-)
6. Adelaide (79.5) (+1)
7. Perth (69.87) (-1)
8. Hobart (31.62) (+4)
9. New Zealand (31.00) (-)
10. Manly (28.87) (-2)
11. Ballarat (26.44) (-1)
12. Wollongong (26.04) (-1)
13. Hills (9.50) (+3)
14. Townsville (3.31) (-1)
15. Gold Coast (2.25) (+3)
16. Bathurst (2.06) (+1)
17. Singapore (2.00) (-3)
18. Byron Bay (1.69) (-3)
19. NT (0.25) (-)
20. Central Coast (0.12) (-)
21. Coffs Harbour (0.12) (-)
22. Wodonga (0.12) (-)
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 09:56:36 AM »

Hey Pissy, explain something to me.

As I recall, Brisbane Mixed results in 2006:
1st at Worlds qualifier (special event)
2nd & 17th? at AUG
2nd & 6-8? at Mixed Nats
9th at WUCC (special event)
And this gave us first place in Mixed... you'd almost say daylight second, with over 7 points lead.

Brisbane Mixed results in 2007:
1st, 10-12? (QUT) and 17-20? (GU) at AUG
1st and 22? at Mixed Nats
Yet Brisbane drops back to #3, with Sydney light-years ahead of everyone.

How does this happen?
Did Worlds qualifier & WUCC hold that much weight in '06?
Was it the contribution of Eastern and Southern Mixed Regionals, and the non-existence of Northern?

I'm just kinda curious how taking out AUG and MN back to back causes us to drop down...
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