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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2007, 09:40:06 PM »

Spirit is a very subjective part of ultimate.  I think we need to learn from Tiger and keep spirit binary.  Either a team was spirited or not.  Spirit is purely and simple 'respecting the game and its players.'  This is all it is about.  The rules are set up so that you have to respect the game and its players.  Now, this just means playing fairly.  If you go for a D and they call foul, if you think you fouled them, uncontest, and if not, contest.  It is simple and that is the heart of spirit.  is it unspirited to celebrate when you score, NO.  It should have no affect on the other team that you are happy with yourselves.  People always construe HoS as unspirited, but htey are actually really enthusiastic, which is great!  They have great spirit.  They respect the game, make fair calls always, and are freaking amazingly passionate about the game too!  

Think about it this way, you play a team who makes BS calls throughout the game and gives you attitude on the field, but afterwards does a spirit circle, gives out MVP prizes, and compliments everyone on your team about something.  Will you consider them spirited?  I don't think I have met someone who would consider them spirited.  Becuase all that other stuff is unecessary, the part of spirit that matters is when you are on the field playing.  If you cheat or make awful calls consistently, give a lot of attitude, you are not respecting the game nor the other players, and inherenlty unspirited.  Lets move away from this, they didn't make any questionable calls, but they had that one guy who was really obnoxious when they scored, spirit score 5.  Spirit isn't a chance to get revenge, or try and alter personality traits, it is pure and simple, did they play fairly?

Moving back to the original focus of this post, Simmo, have you seen this?
http://www.santabarbaraultimate.com/Pg/OpenStandings.html

The yanks have stolen your idea, though they don't weigh them accordingly    
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2007, 10:36:12 PM »

I have created a new topic to deal with the questions about Spirit.

Back to the topic though:

Simmo - have you considered factoring in % of players on the WUGC squad from each region? maybe as a % of the player base?

Could be an interesting addition
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2007, 04:17:43 PM »

Moving back to the original focus of this post, Simmo, have you seen this?
http://www.santabarbaraultimate.com/Pg/OpenStandings.html

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Truth be told, I stole it off them  Grin
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2007, 05:10:43 PM »


Fury always come last in spirit because we win everything...go figure

As has been demonstrated by other people here, it is quite possible to win everything AND win spirit.
Do you think that, possibly, coming last in spirit might have something to do with some other factors?  Like, maybe, chill out a little?

Oh yeah...you don't think it would be to do with the joel P factor do you? Grin I Just think that a few of our players (Joel, Sweet As, Myself) live, breathe and eat frisbee. it's hard to keep control with such a passion! i also think that in SA, Say Fury came last in spirit We'd still probably have a score of around 8...so i guess our spirit is ok but other clubs just go the extra mile. I think that something to remember is that at a NUFL level for example, a poor spirited game will still have a great deal amount more spirit than a football game or soccer game at the same level. Ultimat is just naturally spirited well and that's what i love about the sport and players!
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2007, 12:54:42 AM »

Since this seems to be the thread for math/theory wonks, so I'd invite some independent input on this one.

For the upcoming Qld end of year bash, I'm putting together rules to judge a 'Club of the Year'.  Rather than the AFDA approach, I've started by pinching Pottsy's old points-based Walkabout rules from afda.com, and modified from there.

The full speil is over at http://brisbaneultimatedisc.blogspot.com/2007/11/thunking-up-queensland-club-of-year.html

If you figure its any good, you're welcome to pinch this for your own local state awards if you want - let me know how you go.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2007, 11:57:05 PM »

Really depends on how you define 'club' up there Jase.

In Victoria, here's the criteria (for club funding, hence club status)

- The club must be ongoing and have a leadership structure
- The club must have an open approach to recruiting
- The club must be willing to represent Victoria at a national level (in appropriate division)
- The club must then contribute to developing Ultimate in Victoria by:
  • Running at least one event per year (may include leagues)
  • Providing volunteers to assist the VFDA at least once per year when requested (e.g. Melbourne Hat)
  • Providing a club representative to one of the weekly social competitions each week (to act as a captain)
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« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2008, 08:52:53 AM »

Exciting times here in Casa de Talbot et al. Hence this being updated about 8 hours after Nationals was done.

Men
1. Sydney (84.06)
2. Melbourne (69.16)
3. Brisbane (31.87)
4. Canberra (31.62)
5. Newcastle (27.62)
6. New Zealand (18.25) +4
7. Perth (16.50) -1
8. Adelaide (14.31) -1
9. Wollongong (10.19) -1
10. Byron Bay (3.62) +3
=11. Ballarat (3.37) -2
=11. Manly (3.37) -1
13. Hobart (2.06) -1
14. Townsville (1.87)
15. Hills District (0.62)


Women
1. Sydney (79.25)
2. Melbourne (46.37)
3. New Zealand (29.00) +2
4. Canberra (20.00)
5. Brisbane (14.87) +1
6. Newcastle (13.87) +1
7. Manly (11.31) -4
8. Hobart (10.69) +1
9. Adelaide (6.25) -1
10. Perth (5.75)
11. Wollongong (1.75)
12. Hills District (0.37)


Overall
1. Sydney (233.16)
2. Melbourne (160.84)
3. Brisbane (91.62)
4. Canberra (86.18)
5. Newcastle (61.44)
6. New Zealand (50.50) +2
7. Adelaide (47.28) -1
8. Perth (44.34) -1
9. Hobart (23.43)
10. Wollongong (15.74) +2
11. Manly (15.44) -1
12. Ballarat (12.34) -2
13. Hills District (7.50)
14. Byron Bay (3.62) +2
15. Townsville (1.93)
16. Bathurst (1.37) -2
17. Gold Coast (0.75)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.06)
19. Wodonga (0.06)
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« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2008, 09:01:42 AM »

Couple of notes...
- Points earned by Taipans didn't count towards any city.
- Points earned by Factory Gong at Eastern Regionals were split 50/50 between Wollongong and Canberra.
- NUFL will be counted this year, with a weighting of 75% (that's if they actually settle on a winner this time around)
- Mixed tournaments counting this year will be Stampede (25%), Shenanigans (25%), Halibut (25%), AUG (50%), State Mixed Champs (25%) and Mixed Nationals (75%).
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 03:37:06 AM »

- NUFL will be counted this year, with a weighting of 75% (that's if they actually settle on a winner this time around)

What ratio or system will you be using to allocate the points from NUFL with teams such as "SubFoot" and "FireKarma" playing?
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 05:37:42 AM »

Dunno.
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2008, 01:39:43 AM »

i dont think nufl should really count as it isnt really club based despite its attempt to be some what fixed
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2008, 10:54:04 PM »

I didn't end up counting Halibut and Stampede and whatever else, so here's the Mixed standings following AUG and Mixed Nats 2008...

1. Sydney (149.09) (-)
2. Melbourne (128.06) (-)
3. Brisbane (74.63) (-)
4. Adelaide (74.47) (+2)
5. Canberra (64.81) (-1)
6. Newcastle (49.19) (-1)
7. Perth (37.60) (-)
8. New Zealand (13.75)    (-)
9. Hills District (13.13) (+4)
10. Hobart (12.94) (-1)
11. Ballarat (10.97) (-)
12. Wollongong (6.31) (-)
13. Townsville (3.81) (+2)
14. Gold Coast (2.25) (+2)
15. Bathurst (0.88) (-1)
16. Manly (0.75) (-6)
17. Coffs Harbour (0.06) (-)
18. Wodonga (0.06) (-)



And the Overall standings at the end of 2008...

1. Sydney (312.41) (-)
2. Melbourne (243.60) (-)
3. Brisbane (121.37) (-)
4. Canberra (116.44) (-)
5. Adelaide (95.03) (+2)
6. Newcastle (90.69) (-1)
7. New Zealand (61.00) (-1)
8. Perth (59.84) (-)
9. Hobart (25.69) (-)
10. Wollongong (18.25) (-)
11. Hills District (16.50) (+2)
12. Manly (15.44) (-1)
13. Ballarat (14.34) (-1)
14. Townsville (5.69) (+1)
15. Byron Bay (3.63) (-1)
16. Gold Coast (2.25) (+1)
17. Bathurst (1.37) (-1)
18. Coffs Harbour (0.06) (-)
19. Wodonga (0.06) (-)



And the Per Capita rankings...

1. Manly (-)
2. Canberra (-)
3. Newcastle (+3)
4. Byron Bay (-)
5. Ballarat (-2)
6. Hobart (-1)
7. Adelaide (+3)
8. Sydney (+1)
9. Wollongong (-2)
10. Brisbane (-2)
11. Melbourne (-)
12. Townsville (+2)
13. Perth (-1)
14. Bathurst (-1)
15. New Zealand (-)
16. Gold Coast (-)
17. Coffs Harbour    (-)
18. Wodonga (-)



Couple of notes...
- Points earned in 2006 will expire at the end of the year, so Coffs Harbour and Wodonga will drop off the list.
- There's been some big moves in the Per Capita list because I am using new population figures to calculate the rankings (from the 2006 census).


Sydney still have the stronghold on #1 thanks largely to Wildcard and Fakulti, but they are starting to slip (24 points less than end of 2007). Brisbane are no longer a "clear" 3rd, with Canberra, Newcastle and Adelaide all within striking distance for next year. Hills are the big movers for the year, jumping 5 places for the year. The big losers from the 2006 points expiring at the end of the year are Melbourne and Perth - they're set to lose 15 to 20 points (compared to the start of 2007).
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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2008, 02:54:38 AM »

From Wikipedia

According to the 2006/07 edition of the Yellow Pages Local Directory, the Hills District is home to 245,098 people



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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2008, 04:11:39 PM »

its funny that on the strength of AUG and a decent showing in AMUC, adelaide leapfrogged canberra in the mixed. you'd never have thought that would be the case.
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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2008, 10:58:59 PM »

And if one placing had gone either way (Brisbane down one or Adelaide up one) at either Mixed Nats or AUG, they'd have gone ahead of Brisbane, too.
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