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« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2008, 12:57:16 AM »

You can't call a violation on yourself.

Why is this? I've called quite a few fouls on myself when I've gone up for a contested disc and fouled somebody. I consider it good spirit, but it would technically be bad spirit as I am "intentionally violating the rules" (1.2).

Personally, I think you should be able to call fouls on yourself. In the lower divisions, newer players are sometimes hesitant to call fouls and it's a good way for them to learn if you call the foul on yourself and then explain why.
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« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2008, 01:48:54 AM »

I guess the rules as they are v.2008 help the game flow better, and reduce the amount of bogus calls that might stop or slow the game to the disadvantage of a team (i.e. the opposition).

The 2002 rules were different:
404.16 Violations: B. ...A violation may be called by any player who recognizes that a violation has occurred.

But in the 2008 rules there are various definitions as to who can call infractions, (I think these are the only relevant references):
15.1.3. Only the player fouled may claim a foul, by calling “Foul”.
16.1.2. Any opposing player may claim a violation, by calling the specific name of the
violation or "Violation", unless specified otherwise by the particular rule.
16.4.1. If a defensive player is within five (5) metres of an offensive player they are
actively covering and they are prevented from moving towards/with that player
by another player, that defensive player may call “Pick”.

But players must:
1.3.2. be fair-minded and objective;
1.3.3. be truthful;

And this could include informing a opposition player you just fouled them or whatever, and then it's up to them to 'call it' (the game shouldn't stop until they do though).  I doubt anyone would EVER label you poor Spirited Richie  Smiley
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« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2008, 02:02:41 AM »

You are brave people disagreeing with Rueben. My interpretation of the rules read that the disc goes back irrespective of whether you called a violation of travel on yourself. You weren't set, therefore disc can't be checked in.

16.1.2 just says, that any opposing player may claim a violation.

It doesn't specify that you who committed the violation can't call it. Where as in 16.1.1, it clearly states the only person able to claim a foul
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« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2008, 06:26:31 PM »

I followed up the last discussion on the google forum, because I think the words used in the rules in relation to this are a bit ambiguous.
http://groups.google.com/group/wfdf-rules-2009

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