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« on: September 28, 2008, 11:55:16 PM »

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/index.php

World Games timetable for Aus is out:

http://www.afda.com/trashtalk/showarticle.php?articleid=571

WFDF has published the rankings that determined entry (Top 5 teams + Host Chinese Taipei)
Germany missed out, but given they made it last time because of host status they can't really complain!
Columbia got pretty close to making it!
Canada   291
USA   286
Japan   281
Australia   258
Great Britain   255
Germany   232
Colombia   229
Finland   227
New Zealand   227
Sweden   227
Italy   226
Switzerland   223
France   216
Ireland   215
Venezuela   214
Chinese Taipei   212
Netherlands   211
Mexico   210
Repub of South Africa   210
Dom Repub   209
Hong Kong   209

Should be a great event - hopefully the crocs can top the silver from last time!
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 12:30:52 AM »

And if I remember correctly teams are allowed 13 players this time around, which gives a little more leeway with selections and injuries. Still too small of course but its an improvement.

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 06:54:12 AM »

Assuming everyone in Australia is available and interested who do people will think the team? And what do you think the team split will be, 7/6 or 8/5?
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 07:13:01 AM »

Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/Venues_connect2.php

Ruebes I don't know how to imbed the video into this page mate.

Oh baby.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 08:08:47 AM »

Assuming everyone in Australia is available and interested who do people will think the team? And what do you think the team split will be, 7/6 or 8/5?

I'm pretty sure the split is mandated at 7/6
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 08:15:22 AM »

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Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

Haha Love the Pirates of the Carribean soundtrack.

Stadium is nice too.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 08:34:29 AM »

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/sport6_disc.php

Does the way they just say "Flying Disc", and then go on to talk about guts, disc golf and ultimate mean that all three sports are going to be played? Or is the site just foolish, and it's only ultimate?
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 08:39:48 AM »

Well if we take stats as the indication of how good a player is (as has been suggested might be a good measure in another thread) then your WG team is:

1. Mike Neild
2. Pete Gardner
3. Timothy Lavis
4. Anthony Dowle
5. Matthew Dowle
6. Angus Keenan
7= Brett Matzuka / Jonno Holmes / Joel Pillar / Gavin Moore

1. Diana Worman
2. Lauren Brown (Mama)
3. Ash Martens
4. Keah Molomby
5. Clare Hussey
6= Vivien Stettner / Belinda Kinneally / Rebecca McKinlay

While this gives up a reasonably strong set of names there are also some glaring omissions e.g. Lisa McGinnigle.

Comments I'd make are on the stats:
1. Some of the stats are straight-out wrong - we (Firetails) took our own stats and there were only 2 people in the entire team who actually had the correct stats on the worlds website
2. Too simple - as Owen has discussed in his blog more useful measures are things like goals/assists scored per O/D points played. And you can extend that again to look at how close the games were (i.e. how hard was it to earn the goals). There is also no consideration of turn over rate and defensive stats aren't included either. (which is why someone like Lisa doesn't show up).
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 08:03:39 AM »

Thats correct - all stats are offensive.

Where are the stats for - hand blocks , layout blocks, Hard Disc gets etc.

The stats lie

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008, 09:52:02 AM »

I agree that stats can be very deceptive, but short of being there they can definitely give you a rough idea of key players on the team - as is the case with the group of names that just using stats came up with below. Though, you're right that they often don't reward the hardest workers on the team, ie the D team.

Well if we take stats as the indication of how good a player is (as has been suggested might be a good measure in another thread) then your WG team is:

1. Mike Neild
2. Pete Gardner
3. Timothy Lavis
4. Anthony Dowle
5. Matthew Dowle
6. Angus Keenan
7= Brett Matzuka / Jonno Holmes / Joel Pillar / Gavin Moore

1. Diana Worman
2. Lauren Brown (Mama)
3. Ash Martens
4. Keah Molomby
5. Clare Hussey
6= Vivien Stettner / Belinda Kinneally / Rebecca McKinlay

While this gives up a reasonably strong set of names there are also some glaring omissions e.g. Lisa McGinnigle.

Just looking at the 2005 World Games team it doesn't look liked there'd need to be a whole lot of changes on the guy side..

1     Owen Shepherd     NSW
2    Jonathan Potts (c)    NSW
4    Anthony Dowle    NSW
9    Matthew Dowle    NSW
14    Jonathan Holmes    NSW
42    Tom Rogacki    Vic

44    Sarah Wentworth (vc)    NSW
54    Elizabeth Edye    NSW
7    Diana Worman    NSW
20    Lisa McGinnigle    NSW
33    Jane Irving    ACT

On the guy side of things you'd probably argue that the majority of those names will still have their spots if they want them, with the likes of Mike Neild and Pete Gardner having to be strong contenders for slipping into the team as well.

What do other people think?

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Um. check out the stadium that the 'Flying Disc' will be played in.

http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/Venues_connect2.php
As for the stadium, if playing in that bad boy can't get you excited, then I can't imagine viagra would do the job either.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 07:38:36 PM »

It is a sad day when my name makes a list for a good team, let alone the best Australia has got!  hehehe.

In terms of the stats, Rachel is right.  I know I had 4-5 more assists, and 2-3 more goals than given on the site; however, this error is uniform for all players, I assume, so able to be neglected.  That being said, it is interetesting to look at your list of names and compare position/playtime as Owen (or someone else) said.  I believe he said the ratio, but whatever, the statistic will be interesting nonetheless.  Of the people listed by chris (by stats), Brett exclusively played Defense, and I believe Gavin Moore also exclusively played defense.

The fact is, there are a lot of variables you can use to determine who should be selected.  You can analyse the team's performance after specified players were out to injury and see their immediate impact.  This seems like a reasonable metric.  You can use stats, the ratio of points played to points scored, and many other metrics. 

all this being said, I can tell you a few things as a player from the Dingos this year:
1) When Gav got hurt, the D team struggled to get as many Ds and breaks than when he was playing
2) When Pete got hurt, the O team seemed to struggle to work the disc as easily

Personally, I think most of the names from last time are easy to select and some of the new guys are easy to select.
Looking over the past (easy picks):

Tom Rogacki
Matt Dowle
Ant Dowle
Jonno Holmes
   
New guys (easy picks):

Pete Gardner
Mike Nield
Gav Moore

I put JMac as a darkhorse and Pottsy on if he chooses to play.  As I said, these are who impressed me.

All that being said, obviously, Owen, Kenny, Timmy, etc. are amazing players who also have an extremely high chance of making it.  So whoever picks the team, on top of taking points, assists, goals, playtime into consideration, they should consider attitude, comraderie, leadership, and so forth as every factor counts. 

I would also say to actually ask the players themselves, as though I seem to be on the list (theoretically only, of course) in terms of stats, I do not deserve to be on the same list as those mentioned above.  They are standout players who I will constantly look up to and admire! 

BTW, I have started placing bets with people here that Australia takes World Games in '09, so lets do it and put another Gold on the board!  Yay Australia!     
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 09:22:42 PM »

Wow just looking at the names that will have to fight to get a jersey makes me feel really sorry for the selectors! Throwing it out there that this will be the toughest squad ever to be selected in Australian Ultimate due to the limited size and increased depth?
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 10:34:18 PM »

Yeah it will be a difficult pick, in part because who ever selects will ultimately have only incomplete information and also that the quality of players is so high.

I suppose there are a few things that would to consider:

-What style of play will the team follow? Will it be focused towards finding good isolations on one player (maximising the gak for example) or moving the disc across the field to maximise everyone's cutting options (maximising the depth and quality of the team)

-Once you determine that (which in part will be determined by the available players), you have to look at team roles and this might be a deciding factor for some players. For example, that list of boys has heaps of big tall guys. A lot of them usually 'strike' (receive) down field. Every team needs handler types, so which of those players could fit into that role or will you need to look at other players to fill those positions? Also, since they are all so big and tall who is going to mark the agility players on other teams? Jonno Holmes (A great defensive all-rounder) and Pete Gardner (if he recovers fast enough) are probably great for this role but having one more agility player should still be on the cards. I suppose one of the toughest male choices will be between Mike Neild, Ant Dowle, Gav and agility player Y/handler player X, selecting three out of that four.

The picks for women on the team will be at least a little more flexible, since they have six players for three positions (90-95% of points) on the field. Diana Worman, Keah Molomby, Ash and 'Mama' Brown would make a great mix of offensive and defensive receivers/strikers, although they might only choose one out of Mama and Di since they are quite close in playing style. Lisa G and Liz Edye would be the female handlers if they both put their hand up.

The selections I think won't be the hardest overall. Biggest teams require more factors, such as variety of team roles, playing style, sub numbers, team chemistry, individual chemistry, etc to consider when balancing a team. These selections might include the hardest single decisions; the decision about last dingo/firetail pick would not be as hard as the last croc male/croc female pick and they will probably turn away a *lot* of deserving and good players but overall it will be a quicker and simpler affair. Thats my thoughts anyway.

-Tom
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 02:59:12 AM »

is it too early to put a hand up to manage the team? since i have no chance of making it and intend to go to china next year anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2008, 04:56:48 AM »

No, I think there was something on afda about the timeline for the whole World Games lead in.
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