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« on: November 07, 2008, 09:31:03 AM »

There is a suggestion going around to start a 2nd-tier nationals tournament for teams that fail to qualify next year.
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What do people think of that idea?
It's such a good idea it deserves a thread of its own, even if only a one post promotion.  Maybe those who have been suggesting it could give their thoughts on how it might work?

It's unlikely to happen with Perth because, as Carlie mentioned, it's hard enough to get the less seasoned players to fork out the dollars for nationals over there, but in years where there are enough teams who would like to go but don't make the cut it would be very handy.  The only limiting factor is that there would need to be enough teams to make a fun tournament.

Some pros of second tier nationals:
- It would encourage teams to attend regionals by giving those with no chance of making the cut something to look forward to.  More teams at regionals is a good thing.
- A competitive tournament where players can mix it with those from afar.
- Players could book flights before regionals results came out.
- If held alongside nationals, it would aid in spicing up that part of nationals which is becoming increasingly lacklustre - the party.

Other points:
- It probably shouldn't be an AFDA event like nats.  An official policy on this would be pretty difficult, for starters, and AFDA probably has enough on it's plate.  It would probably just be a tournament a club could run if they wish.
- It doesn't necessarily need to be alongside nats.  Eg. with Perth 2009 the second tier tournament could happen in Canberra (meaning the nats players might miss out on a good party.)  Field availability would probably encourage this.

If Umlaut manages to attend regionals they may be interested in a tournament closer by, but it's unlikely we'd make it to Perth.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 07:08:20 PM »

to be honest i think its more likley to happen with nationals in perth...second teir teams are less likly to wanna travel to perth, but i am sure they would be happy to travel to, oh i dunno, maybe canberra...dunno where i pulled this from though. Maybe tom should step in now, but ill plug his blog..have a look at this wally

http://canberraultimate.blogspot.com/2008/11/bashinals-filling-gap-between-leagues.html
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 05:49:16 PM »

Automatic qualification to the top tier for the team that wins 2nd Tier nats?
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 06:00:31 PM »

well that doesnt make sense because the regionals tounraments qualifying for nationals would have already been played...the reason you are playing second tier is cs you didnt qualify...and if its being run the week bfore nationals or something, its not much time to organise travelling to anothetr tournamnet the next weekend.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 06:40:10 PM »

I think he means the next year.  If you finish top of the second-tier nats in 2009, you automatically qualify for nats in 2010.

I don't think this is such a good idea though.  How many b-grade teams would still be around in the same form 12 months later?
Also, that's what Regionals is for.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 08:19:01 PM »

I was thinking more along the lines of 2nd string teams that are just estabilishing.

Like a 2nd Newcastle side.

That way they will most probably be around next year.

I was thinking along the lines of incentive...Automatic promotion to the top tier was all I came up with. Anyone else got some ideas on how to encourage teams to go to 2nd tier nats?
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 11:01:15 PM »

It's better than the alternative.

The alternative being "not playing ultimate."
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 02:41:10 AM »

If held alongside nationals, it would aid in spicing up that part of nationals which is becoming increasingly lacklustre - the party.

Use the party as promo... I can't imagine a 2nd tier nationals team would be sticking to the same kinda "no partying" mentality that some/most of the Nationals teams keep too.
I've heard tell of these "epic" nationals parties (back in the days before regionals I imagine) but excluding the last night of nationals there really wasn't much happening this year (and even then the last night party seemed to be the territory of those whom either had no game on the last day or where "less concerned" about their positioning on the final day). Even regionals this year I was out of the party pretty early, as opposed to the year before where I was sent home by Simon "Poobah" Farrow for disgracing myself on the dancefloor (and cunningly disguising it as collapsing in an alcohol fueled boneless heap).
And if Wally is disappointed in the party I'm disappointed in the party too...

You can see the comparison now "Oh my god that final was so close! Team X beat Team Y by 1 point at Nationals... And then we all went to bed early" says the nationals player. "Yeah so? Player A managed to drink more OP rum than was thought humanely possible by the Bar staff and STILL managed to stand on the line the next day despite going straight from the bar to the fields" Says the Bashionals player...
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 03:04:01 AM »

I'd play Bashionals Wink
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 03:12:07 AM »

shit, i'd RATHER play bashionals and get drunk than "proper" nationals haha
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 05:15:25 AM »

We could just all go to watch Nationals and get smashed every night.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 06:41:28 AM »

No incentives should be required other than the promise of a good tournament.  Teams from around the country keen on playing hard and staying out past bedtime usually makes for a good time.

No girls doesn't help much though.  What's with that?
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2008, 07:22:10 PM »

give me a few years when the body give out and the belly screams for beer and id be there but til then i am at nationals until i dont make it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:48 AM »

We could just all go to watch Nationals and get smashed every night.

up for it
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 12:23:43 AM »

staying out past bedtime usually makes for a good time.

I dunno Wally... I remember Bathurst last year, Standing in the takeaway store line with you in a dress saying VERY loudly "WOW you're so very very white!" to the albino guy that walked in... and the first thought afterwards wasn't "I'm glad I stayed up past my bedtime for this..."
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