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Author Topic: tips on beating out taller and faster guys?  (Read 46860 times)
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 10:16:52 PM »

i think its around that 5'7" mark
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2009, 04:23:37 AM »

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_tall_is_173cm_in_inches

5'8"

So, average height is about that for a 20 year old.

http://www.halls.md/chart/men-height-w.htm
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 08:54:18 AM »

I am the shortest player on my team and I am definately not the fastest. Almost every person I will cover is taller than me, so the art of body position is HUGE when playing defense. The most important thing is to not let them go deep on you. To stop the deep break, when you mark them you have to put your body directly on their deep side. If you can position yourself where you are on their shoulder, getting right up on them. You want to be almost pressing your body against the deep side of their body so if they try and break deep, they will run right into you (foul on them).

The additional perk of being right on the leg of the man/woman you are marking is that when they break for an in-cut you are in stride with them immediately. Just make sure you keep as close to them as possible without being called for a foul. If you can take away their chance for a deep break with your body, and are able to keep close to them on an in-cut thats the best you can possibly do. Get in their face, make them uncomfortable and force them to make the crazy plays, and just be STICKY

how do you know which side is the deep side?
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2009, 11:28:07 AM »

the one closest to the end zone Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2009, 08:14:54 PM »

the one closest to the end zone Smiley

and on the open side
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2009, 02:38:29 AM »


Quick question Dan, How bored do you get to look up all of this?Surely you have some form of study/training to do Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2009, 12:23:01 AM »

Type "5'7" in cm" into google and it the first result. Takes about 5 secs.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2009, 11:18:21 AM »

Despite being in the Ash height category, I can definitely say I'm not the shortest person on my team.  Therefore, I do have a lot of experience guarding taller people.  I would say the number one thing about guarding taller players is to match up smart.  There is no way I'm going to lock-down the other team's stud long when I'm giving up 8-10 inches on the other person.  The absolute best thing to do is let someone else take that responsibility.  Also, giving taller players the "in" cut is a great idea.  Even if they make the catch, true longs are not very good handles.  In a sense, you almost want to force it to them because their errant throws are a lot easier to D than a typical handle.  Granted, it's always better to deny everything than to give up an upfield pass, but forcing players out of their comfort zone isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2009, 05:01:02 AM »

 Grin +rep for the awesome name.... stud long: sounds like a porn-o star's name....

Anyway, you're right on the money. Most of them can't throw... Sometimes putting your balls in their pocket and going to town on every pivot they make will just means they turn it straight over.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 04:34:11 AM »

Despite being in the Ash height category, I can definitely say I'm not the shortest person on my team.  Therefore, I do have a lot of experience guarding taller people.  I would say the number one thing about guarding taller players is to match up smart.  There is no way I'm going to lock-down the other team's stud long when I'm giving up 8-10 inches on the other person.  The absolute best thing to do is let someone else take that responsibility.  Also, giving taller players the "in" cut is a great idea.  Even if they make the catch, true longs are not very good handles.  In a sense, you almost want to force it to them because their errant throws are a lot easier to D than a typical handle.  Granted, it's always better to deny everything than to give up an upfield pass, but forcing players out of their comfort zone isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Yes, taller players may not be the best throwers is true early on in their development, but once you get to a semi-experienced level or better everyone is expected to be able to throw well.  Look at the Dowles, both rather tall and both amazing receivers and throwers..and when i use the term "rather" i use it very loosely..they're both on the tall side of the scale
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2009, 03:58:18 PM »

First and foremost you need to match up smart.  Match up the best you can based on height, speed and endurance.

Second, give up the in cut.  let him catch it underneath and make him make a throw.  You should find out quickly what his throwing skills are.  If they are good just hold the force and don't get broke and you've done your job.  If he's not a great thrower then really pressure him.  Get up as tight as allowed, make the count loud and right in his ear, and really jump around on him.  Give him alot to think about and more often then not he'll rush the throw and you'll get the disc right back.

When guarding a handler who has a height advantage don't worry about him making a throw.  Just keep the force and don't get broke.  Let the rest of your team play defense for you.

Now if you are one on one with him on a deep throw your best option for making the D is to get inside position.  Make him have to jump over you to get the disc.  A little contact is part of the game usually so use it.

Now the absolute best defense against a taller/faster guy is to tire him out since most don't have the best endurance.  When you are on offense and he's guarding you make sure you run him into the ground.  Put his endurance to the test against yours.  If you are in better shape and are able to run him ragged the next time he makes a long cut or goes to jump he won't have as much strength in his legs so he'll be slower and he won't jump as high.  You will have just leveled the playing field.  Or better yet he subs out to take a break and now he's completely nuteralized. 

For the record I'm 6'4" (not sure what that is in metric) and I am a former track athlete.  I am that taller/faster guy you are talking about.  I just told you how to beat me.  Although I am not strictly a long, I also handle when I need a breather.
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2009, 11:25:16 AM »

i've taken alot of this advice on to the field and it's helped a whole bunch. i let them have the in cut and i loearned how to stay behind them and cutting off their deep cuts. one problem i have is in the in cut i don't et there in time to stall but recently i have started to get to stall 7 on some people and not getting broke as much. this wa awesome adivce. starting to kick some ass on the field! thanks for giving me the key to your destruction discman.
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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 05:48:30 PM »

wlflower,  I'm glad to hear your game is improving. 

Once you start perfecting your defense you'll know how much cushion you'll need to give the tall guy, if you are not able to catch up on the in cut soon enough to start a stall count I assume you're probably giving a little too much cushion to guard against the deep cut.  For now don't worry about that.  Soon enough you'll have the cushion perfected and you'll be giving just enough cushion to guard agaist the deep cut but not enough to take you totally out of the picture on the in cut. 

Also don't worry to much about my destruction.  I haven't told you how to defend against all of my tricks.  I keep some of them very closely guarded.
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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2009, 08:08:33 PM »

If you run into a player whose pulling you as far back as possible making it hard to give up the in-cut because the distance you are away from the handler makes it a true deep pass anyway pick a side and stand just a foot or two diagonally back from him, that way if he sprints in for a bomb your not by default giving up a huck and if he goes back you still have the position.  The cushion in this situation needs to be tighter then normal...

I play this way with several of the teams I play with because being 6'4 and pretty quick (and not afraid to get roughed up Tongue) when the defender chooses to defend behind me I can just keep walking back pushing them further and further from the action opening the middle for huge running routes and continuation throws that will *hopefully* make it to me on a corner cut. 

It takes a great amount of speed to defend a tall deep by allowing considerable cushion so if thats the route you've decided on then on top of focusing your training on defense hone your calf muscles to break neck on in cuts
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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2009, 04:42:03 AM »

I learnt a little trick, if your gonna give up the in cut position yourself so that if they do decide to try and turn and get that deep strike your bodies in the way, this means that any momentum theyve gathered is gone as soon as they turn and realise that your in the way. All it really requires is that you stick with them for the short time that theyre going balls out on the cut..
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