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Author Topic: Paying Ultimate Volunteers - For What and How Much?  (Read 9242 times)
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« on: May 25, 2009, 10:12:46 PM »

Ultimate is a very volunteer-oriented scene, but as the sport grows there's a sense that there's more pressure on volunteers and/or a desire for better organisation.

What do you think about paying volunteers?  What for?  How much?  What happens at the moment in your neighbourhood?

Consider this an invitation to ramble Wink
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 10:29:45 PM »

The most I think a volunteer should ever be paid is their travel expenses and/or lunch and/or maybe a players pack or something.  If they're actually paid for their time then they're not really a volunteer Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 05:54:50 AM »

Pay 'em in schwag, I say. With the exception of Nationals 09, there are usually a fair few discs, shirts, cleat bags, jumpers, socks or trackpants left over that are just going to rot anyway.

I can't really imagine a situation in ultimate where there would be money left lying around that wouldn't be better spent recycling back into the big machine, to go towards uni club promotion, development, administration, field hire, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 05:27:13 PM »

I guess I partly mean at what point is it ok to turn a volunteer into a paid person?
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 05:38:37 PM »

I guess I partly mean at what point is it ok to turn a volunteer into a paid person?

when no one will do it (in a timely manner) for free.... and then you pay them whatever will get it done.
(obviously you've got to have decided that it is worthwhile)
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 11:39:00 AM »

speaking from the largest organized league in the world, OCUA still relies heavily on volunteers.  We have 3 salaried employees:  An Exec. Director and two league coordinators to run a 5,000 person league who basically administer the fields, insurance and player fees.

Coordination of tournaments and the general running of league nights are handled strictly by volunteers.

The Open, Mixed and Women's comp. programs give volunteer hours running clinics and tournaments in exchange for free practice field time and whatever little to none subsidy the league can provide for travel.

Needless to say OCUA (and ultimate on the whole) would be up shit's creek without a paddle without it's core volunteer group.

Luckily, there are good-hearted people who love the sport enough to dedicate their free time to advancing the sport.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 08:02:20 PM »

So long as the person doing it would complete the job if they got paid or not. That would be when its ok to pay volunteers.

How much? It wouldn't matter.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2009, 10:17:21 AM »

been a while since i posted here!

As for payments, I think the main reasons for it, are less than the main reasons against. Its the whole issue of using incentives to create a better end result. The idea would be when you have 1 volunteer who is keen to do a job, if you make the job for $50, there might be more people keen to do it, which would mean that selection (or whoever) is able to choose who they think would be the best candidate for the job (just like a real job!). The same reason why well paid executive positions will have more trained/qualified people trying out for it.

The main problems would be: how much do you need to pay for this to make a difference, and do we really need the difference.
The other considerations would be do people feel volunteers need to be paid?

Personally I think unless there is a real issue/shortage of volunteers then save and spend the money elsewhere, but if the standard is too low, or not enough people its time to bring in new incentives beyond the warm fuzzy feelings you get from a tournament well run.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2009, 03:37:29 PM »

When I run tournaments, I try and make sure there is as little as possible to do on the actual day, so I'm not having to rely on getting volunteers. Quite often there are people willing to help out, but generally I don't have a lot for them to do.

I think it's reasonable to charge a bit more of a tournament fee to pay volunteers for "expenses incurred", but you need to provide that extra level of service to justify the cost.

However I don't feel we need to pay administrative volunteers (actual cash payments, things like free league fees are a great incentive) as this sets a bit of a precedent and future "volunteers" will be expecting to get paid as well.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2009, 09:09:34 AM »

You volunteer because you want the event to succeed, and organisers should be able to get a lot of value out of this.  However I think some sort of payment is a necessity, whether it be free lunch for the day or a beer after the game, or a players pack, or a waiver of fees, or a cash payment to help cover expenses.

Paying people in money is probably the least efficient way of doing it.  Paying in stuff is better value for everyone involved.

How much?  It needs to be low enough to be sustainable, but high enough to get the job done and have volunteers coming back.
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