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Author Topic: 3 Sessions to get beginners ready for tourny.  (Read 9314 times)
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« on: July 08, 2009, 06:56:15 PM »

So I have, at a maximum, 3 sessions to get a team ready for a 5 man indoor tourny. I have a core of around 7 or 8 people that started playing a year ago, and 1 very experienced player. The experienced girl isn't much of a leader and prefers not to get involved in the coaching sessions, and prefers to help people 1 on 1, so the coaching will be on me. After the first tourny I will have maybe 2 or 3 more sessions before another beginners tournament. A week or 2 later and we have regionals.

I'm really looking for advice as to what should be taught and when to the new guys we'll have signing up in Freshers Week.

I'm thinking that the first week I should go over how to throw forehand and backhand, 2nd week I should go over forehand again before introducing the force and how to mark. I'm not sure what the 3rd session should be.

Any help would be appreciated,

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 11:54:34 AM »

I would think you need to talk about offense, granted I have not played 5 man indoor but I would think there is some form of strategy to O otherwise you just have a big cluster of people clogging and cutting each other off.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 01:57:04 PM »

I was hoping to get away with simply having 1 handler (myself unless any of the first year students can do it better) numbering each of the other 4 guys 1 through 4 and have them cut in that order (with 4 being the next strongest handler) and having have assignments before each point ie who goes long etc.

Maybe that should be the focus of the 2nd session with defence being the final session?
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 02:49:58 PM »

I would think there has to be more to O than cut in order 1 through 4, like where do they clear to and how do they cycle to make sure cuts are coming from the right place. How long do you have at each of these practices? If its like 3 hrs then maybe you split them into 3 little practices, 1 hr into throwing, o, and d or something.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 03:48:36 PM »

I'd run a 2-3 horizontal offense with the first cut being the 2 position cutter (in or out and other cutters flow from there) or I think the most effective O strategy would be to run a slant cut from the breakforce side (likely #1 position cutter with a force flick).

If the D is taking away the deep strike and the in-cut, than the slant will always be open.  If they use two defenders to take away ins, than the #2 position cutter should be open for a deep strike.  The glory of indoor is being able to easily score in two passes.

If you are playing with a 2-pass minimum rule, use your 2nd best handler to start with the disc and your hucker as the 2nd handler.  Easy bail pass to start play followed by a sideline huck.

When the offense catches on to this, switch to the slant cut.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 09:35:55 AM »

I dont know If I would spend a whole session on throwing, its very much a personal practice thing. Maybe teach proper grip and things for a few minutes but again I would go straight in to an offense of some sort or atleast the concept of cutting in/out and the clearing, not clogging the area. It seems what most newbies do is make one cut(a rounded, jogging cut) and then stand there, wave their arms and hope to get thrown to. If these players are not like that then focus on a formation.  I think the most important concept to teach in general is to make your cuts to the disc instead of away or behind another defender. A lot of people try to stand behind a defender and hope you can throw a disc like a football, which obviously only works on a hammer which wouldnt be your desired throw anyway. You might want to go over playing against a zone D if you think thats something you might see. Its much different against a zone D then man(poppers and quick movement).
Above all else, make it fun for them but make sure you are progressing in strategy. Bored players dont like to show up, make it worth their while but also dont overwhelm them.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 12:15:40 PM »

Being a beginner this past year and having my first tournament 2 weeks into term I know exactly where you are coming from. THe sessions our old club captain did consisted of basically learning sidearm (or at least attempting to) and backhand. This coincided with learning the basic rules of the game (ie stall count, turnovers in/out etc) through actual games (afterall it is the games that will keep 'potential' players wanting to stay with the club if they are still deciding).

Prior to the tournament we learned basic Offence and Defence (Ie Vert Stack and forcing... nothing else) - it gave us a little idea what to do on the pitch.

In all honest we went to the tournament totally unprepared.. we still didnt fully understand the game but hey... it was a beginners tournament and thats what its there for. The tournament itself was the main educational tool in teaching the game to beginners. after games we would be taken outside by the team captain who would then talk about the game we just had and make sure we totally understood what happened when and why (ie a particular call was made...). He would then teach us a new formation (eg. ISO) and we would do drills focussing on that before trying to play the next game focussing on that formation. Zone was left until last as it's the hardest for beginners to fully understand, particularly when the team may not know eachother as would be expected at a freshers beginner tourney.

I guess what I'm trying to say is the training prior to the tournament should be focused on just getting the freshers comfortable with the disc in hand and so they understand what they can and cannot do when on the pitch. Strategies to playing should then be introduced when at a tournament, they'll learn it much quicker in a true game and will, personally, notice much greater improvement than they would in the few weeks beforehand!
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 06:33:24 PM »

1. Discuss what Ultimate is show grips for forehand and backhand throws
2. 5 minute warm up, basic throws back and forward, beginners paired with experienced people. focus on throws and pancake catches
3. discuss the stack, do basic receiving drill with 1 thrower and 1 undefended stack. focus on clearing and sharp cuts
4. discuss the force, teach how to defend a receiver*
5. keeping with the force teach how to mark a handler, go into a 3man drill passing to open side after a few minutes combine drills from 4 and 5.
6. Bring it in for a summary, move into games.

This is my basic plan for tomorrows 2hour long outdoor session. I could have as few as 10 people turn up or as many as 40 and I'm sure to have a mix of experienced and beginners so hopefully this suitable. Are there any glaring omissions or something you'd suggest I do? I'm considering going to a shop and buying cheap stickers and having everyone wear one with their name written on it. Too cheesy or a good way to help people mingle?


I plan to use no disc have maybe 4 or 5 cones scattered around and having the guys paired up, one on O and one on D. The O has to cut to 2 or 3 cones, faking etc, the D player has to say force side of the O man. Once we move on to marking a player with the disc we can add a thrower with a mark.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2009, 06:54:26 PM »

depending on numbers... make sure the experienced dont swamp beginners when u go into games. There's no glory in dominating your mark coz he's trying to grasp where to stand in a stack. By having only 2 experienced on the pitch for a team at any one time (if possible) it gives the beginners mopre chance to learn. 

Slow the game right down, take time to stop and explain whats going on, if you see some1 never stacking for instance stop the game and inform him/her.

Outdoor is a big pitch for a beginner, maybe make the pitches shorter and/or use indoor rules (ie 5 people on the pitch), beginners may not feel so overwhelmed then; afterall they're not gonna get a pitch length sidearm out are they Wink

you may wanna spend a little longer than 5 minutes on throwing at the beginning, they should get "comfortable" (by which i mean willing to attempt if nothing else) with trying a backhand before throwing them up against a defender at least. a Static circle drill is great for putting a bit of pressure on the thrower and teaching a defender how to put up a force (although this may only suffice if numbers are small enough, too many people in a circle sucks!).

I dunno if the stickers will be needed, most people will either be focusing on catching that big floaty plastic thing coming at them or will be talking to ppl and socialising as it is. Remember, most people will be freshers anyway, they'll be up for chatting and making friends as it is! Maybe a better idea will be a trip to the pub after training for anyone who is interested Smiley


Good luck with your session, let me know how it goes. Ive gotta start tasking them in less than a weeks time! *gulp*
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2009, 07:05:07 PM »

we have indoor on Thursday, there is a full night on the town planned after that. A few drinks in the union (lets no alcoholics join in if they dont want to come out) then out to town for the night!

phase 1 was a bit vauge, I ment the warm up was 1 minutes, I was hoping to have about 20 minutes or so on throwing uncontested in pairs. I'll probably just set them up and blow the whistle when they look bored!
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